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The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    DEBATE RANKING

    1. Warren (fighting to survive. Killed Bloomberg all by herself)

    2. Sanders (Energized and refuted attacks ("if not capitalist it must be communism" "Your healthcare plan is expensive" effecticly. 
    3. Pete (Best at showing an alternative to Sanders)

    4. Biden (Not bad per se but disappeared a lot)
    5. Amy (think's her "punchlines" are smarter and more fun then they are)

    6. Bloomberg (a Trump test dummie)
    You ranking @cincybearcat

    1) Pete
    2) Warren

    3) Joe
    4) Bernie

    5) Amy
    6) Bloomberg


    Not that different.
    Yeah and after finishing the debate last night...might need to move Warren up to the #1 and slide Pete down 1 spot.  While I didn't always like what she said or what she was doing, Warren dominated the narrative of the night.  Pete was solid, but got a little petty with Amy I thought...though Amy's responses to him did highlight potential risk with her....she may have finished below Bloomberg even.  Joe/Bernie was basically a wash and could be flipped.  I put Joe ahead because he benefited on stage the most by Bloomberg being attacked. Well, bernie benefited in that people didnt attack him as much as well.
    There's a weird vibe between Pete and Amy.  She does not like him and takes what he says very personally, it appears. 
    I dont think anyone in the race likes Pete. Honestly. Hes like that dude from The Big Bang Theory. 

    i think the rest have respect for eachother. But they don’t like Pete. 
    Why would an adult dislike someone based on similarity to a character from a sitcom?
    I don't think they are making that specific connection...
    What connection are they making? I don't understand your point either. Seems like mostly a Pete and Amy thing...
    Pete is unlikeable. Other people are also unlikeable.                                                                         .
    I like Pete a lot, why don't you like the man?
    His politics mainly, but also his insufferable whiteness.                                                    

    He's too white for you?  What does that mean?  Dude can't dance or play basketball?
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiteness_studies
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 6,381
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    DEBATE RANKING

    1. Warren (fighting to survive. Killed Bloomberg all by herself)

    2. Sanders (Energized and refuted attacks ("if not capitalist it must be communism" "Your healthcare plan is expensive" effecticly. 
    3. Pete (Best at showing an alternative to Sanders)

    4. Biden (Not bad per se but disappeared a lot)
    5. Amy (think's her "punchlines" are smarter and more fun then they are)

    6. Bloomberg (a Trump test dummie)
    You ranking @cincybearcat

    1) Pete
    2) Warren

    3) Joe
    4) Bernie

    5) Amy
    6) Bloomberg


    Not that different.
    Yeah and after finishing the debate last night...might need to move Warren up to the #1 and slide Pete down 1 spot.  While I didn't always like what she said or what she was doing, Warren dominated the narrative of the night.  Pete was solid, but got a little petty with Amy I thought...though Amy's responses to him did highlight potential risk with her....she may have finished below Bloomberg even.  Joe/Bernie was basically a wash and could be flipped.  I put Joe ahead because he benefited on stage the most by Bloomberg being attacked. Well, bernie benefited in that people didnt attack him as much as well.
    There's a weird vibe between Pete and Amy.  She does not like him and takes what he says very personally, it appears. 
    I dont think anyone in the race likes Pete. Honestly. Hes like that dude from The Big Bang Theory. 

    i think the rest have respect for eachother. But they don’t like Pete. 
    Why would an adult dislike someone based on similarity to a character from a sitcom?
    I don't think they are making that specific connection...
    What connection are they making? I don't understand your point either. Seems like mostly a Pete and Amy thing...
    Pete is unlikeable. Other people are also unlikeable.                                                                         .
    You're a homophobe. Per the standards you've set for yourself on this board, I can call you a homophobe for saying Pete is unlikeable because you called me sexist yesterday for saying Amy was unlikeable. 
    Word choice matters, bruh. 
    Agreed. How dare you use a word as nasty as “unlikeable.” Bigotry!
    Reading is hard. 
    Nah reading is easy. For example, a few posts up you said you didn't like Pete because of, "His politics mainly, but also his insufferable whiteness."

    So you're racist too? 

    Or are you sexist because he's a man? Because lord knows Amy and Warren have "insufferable whiteness" too. 

    See? Isn't this bullshit annoying?
    It’s an annoyance I’m used to. Lots of people don’t understand what racism and sexism are. You sound like some of my freshmen, so I’m not particularly annoyed. 
    We also all had those bitter professors who couldn't understand why no one listened to them
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 23,852
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    DEBATE RANKING

    1. Warren (fighting to survive. Killed Bloomberg all by herself)

    2. Sanders (Energized and refuted attacks ("if not capitalist it must be communism" "Your healthcare plan is expensive" effecticly. 
    3. Pete (Best at showing an alternative to Sanders)

    4. Biden (Not bad per se but disappeared a lot)
    5. Amy (think's her "punchlines" are smarter and more fun then they are)

    6. Bloomberg (a Trump test dummie)
    You ranking @cincybearcat

    1) Pete
    2) Warren

    3) Joe
    4) Bernie

    5) Amy
    6) Bloomberg


    Not that different.
    Yeah and after finishing the debate last night...might need to move Warren up to the #1 and slide Pete down 1 spot.  While I didn't always like what she said or what she was doing, Warren dominated the narrative of the night.  Pete was solid, but got a little petty with Amy I thought...though Amy's responses to him did highlight potential risk with her....she may have finished below Bloomberg even.  Joe/Bernie was basically a wash and could be flipped.  I put Joe ahead because he benefited on stage the most by Bloomberg being attacked. Well, bernie benefited in that people didnt attack him as much as well.
    There's a weird vibe between Pete and Amy.  She does not like him and takes what he says very personally, it appears. 
    I dont think anyone in the race likes Pete. Honestly. Hes like that dude from The Big Bang Theory. 

    i think the rest have respect for eachother. But they don’t like Pete. 
    Why would an adult dislike someone based on similarity to a character from a sitcom?
    I don't think they are making that specific connection...
    What connection are they making? I don't understand your point either. Seems like mostly a Pete and Amy thing...
    Pete is unlikeable. Other people are also unlikeable.                                                                         .
    I like Pete a lot, why don't you like the man?
    You should read that AmCon article I posted yesterday.  It will give you insight..  he's bourgeois and cis.  https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/gays-who-hate-pete-buttigieg/
    Good article.  I like him even more after reading it.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    DEBATE RANKING

    1. Warren (fighting to survive. Killed Bloomberg all by herself)

    2. Sanders (Energized and refuted attacks ("if not capitalist it must be communism" "Your healthcare plan is expensive" effecticly. 
    3. Pete (Best at showing an alternative to Sanders)

    4. Biden (Not bad per se but disappeared a lot)
    5. Amy (think's her "punchlines" are smarter and more fun then they are)

    6. Bloomberg (a Trump test dummie)
    You ranking @cincybearcat

    1) Pete
    2) Warren

    3) Joe
    4) Bernie

    5) Amy
    6) Bloomberg


    Not that different.
    Yeah and after finishing the debate last night...might need to move Warren up to the #1 and slide Pete down 1 spot.  While I didn't always like what she said or what she was doing, Warren dominated the narrative of the night.  Pete was solid, but got a little petty with Amy I thought...though Amy's responses to him did highlight potential risk with her....she may have finished below Bloomberg even.  Joe/Bernie was basically a wash and could be flipped.  I put Joe ahead because he benefited on stage the most by Bloomberg being attacked. Well, bernie benefited in that people didnt attack him as much as well.
    There's a weird vibe between Pete and Amy.  She does not like him and takes what he says very personally, it appears. 
    I dont think anyone in the race likes Pete. Honestly. Hes like that dude from The Big Bang Theory. 

    i think the rest have respect for eachother. But they don’t like Pete. 
    Why would an adult dislike someone based on similarity to a character from a sitcom?
    I don't think they are making that specific connection...
    What connection are they making? I don't understand your point either. Seems like mostly a Pete and Amy thing...
    Pete is unlikeable. Other people are also unlikeable.                                                                         .
    You're a homophobe. Per the standards you've set for yourself on this board, I can call you a homophobe for saying Pete is unlikeable because you called me sexist yesterday for saying Amy was unlikeable. 
    Word choice matters, bruh. 
    Agreed. How dare you use a word as nasty as “unlikeable.” Bigotry!
    Reading is hard. 
    So is making allies and influencing.  
    I’ll focus on the latter when you redress the former. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 18,745
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    DEBATE RANKING

    1. Warren (fighting to survive. Killed Bloomberg all by herself)

    2. Sanders (Energized and refuted attacks ("if not capitalist it must be communism" "Your healthcare plan is expensive" effecticly. 
    3. Pete (Best at showing an alternative to Sanders)

    4. Biden (Not bad per se but disappeared a lot)
    5. Amy (think's her "punchlines" are smarter and more fun then they are)

    6. Bloomberg (a Trump test dummie)
    You ranking @cincybearcat

    1) Pete
    2) Warren

    3) Joe
    4) Bernie

    5) Amy
    6) Bloomberg


    Not that different.
    Yeah and after finishing the debate last night...might need to move Warren up to the #1 and slide Pete down 1 spot.  While I didn't always like what she said or what she was doing, Warren dominated the narrative of the night.  Pete was solid, but got a little petty with Amy I thought...though Amy's responses to him did highlight potential risk with her....she may have finished below Bloomberg even.  Joe/Bernie was basically a wash and could be flipped.  I put Joe ahead because he benefited on stage the most by Bloomberg being attacked. Well, bernie benefited in that people didnt attack him as much as well.
    There's a weird vibe between Pete and Amy.  She does not like him and takes what he says very personally, it appears. 
    I dont think anyone in the race likes Pete. Honestly. Hes like that dude from The Big Bang Theory. 

    i think the rest have respect for eachother. But they don’t like Pete. 
    Why would an adult dislike someone based on similarity to a character from a sitcom?
    I don't think they are making that specific connection...
    What connection are they making? I don't understand your point either. Seems like mostly a Pete and Amy thing...
    Pete is unlikeable. Other people are also unlikeable.                                                                         .
    You're a homophobe. Per the standards you've set for yourself on this board, I can call you a homophobe for saying Pete is unlikeable because you called me sexist yesterday for saying Amy was unlikeable. 
    Word choice matters, bruh. 
    Agreed. How dare you use a word as nasty as “unlikeable.” Bigotry!
    Reading is hard. 
    So is making allies and influencing.  
    I’ll focus on the latter when you redress the former. 
    You achieve neither around here, that's for sure.  
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 38,081
    Folks,

    Here's the thing...after yesterday's unsurprising news that Russia is at it again and Trump is covering it up, we all have to be on the same page. That's number one.

    Number two...no matter who the nominee is, a moderate billionaire with a sexist past from a sexist time, a former Obama VP, or a socialist senator from Vermont who is closer to the NRA than most would like.....one thing is clear---WE ALL HAVE TO UNITE BEHIND WHOMEVER IS THE NOMINEE.

    Donald Trump is an existential risk to our democracy. Defeating him is more important than literally ANY OTHER ISSUE in this campaign. I really hope the candidates in the next debate focus on that instead of tearing each other down. That's number three (Biden voice).

    You know I am an independent. My views are moderate mostly. But I can tell with 100% certainty that I will back Bernie or Elizabeth, or the reincarnation of Hillary as a result of a brokered convention. I also pledge to volunteer my time to help whomever it is. I hope you all will do the same.

    Quit the bickering. Focus on the most important thing that unites all of us------defeating this fucking Russian stooge in November. Literally the future of the country is dependent upon this.  Anything else you care about policy-wise should be a distant second. 
    That all sounds well and good, Juggler. But if Sanders goes into the convention with the most delegates, but not the 1,991 he needs to secure the nomination, and the superdelegates give the nomination to someone else, forget about beating Trump, I think it could be an electoral death-sentence for the Democrats. Let's say, hypothetically, that Sanders gets 33% of the total votes in the primary and that's the plurality, but he doesn't receive the nomination. Well that's 33% of registered democrats that might tell the party to fuck off forever. 
    I've said this many times, democrats love finding ways to lose elections they should win.

    Doesn't mean we can't do whatever we can to help whoever the nominee is
    That's true. I just think, in this scenario where Sanders has a plurality but not the majority, granting him the nomination likely will bode well for Trump's re-election, but to deny him the nomination will have ramifications that go well beyond the Trump presidency....

    I personally think Trump will beat whoever the nominee is. So for the sake of their democratic party's future, the DNC better not fuck with their voters and say "Sure you like Bernie Sanders, but we're smarter than you and we know he can't beat Trump, so here's Bloomberg." That would blow up in their faces two-fold. First off, they'll piss off a large portion of their party, and secondly, in my opinion, Bloomberg will lose anyway. 
    You're not exactly going out on a limb predicting treacherous waters if there is a brokered convention, dude. Of course that will dramatically weaken whoever is the nominee. 

    My point is a simple one--no matter who it is/no matter how it plays out, support him/her and stop driving wedges before it's too late. The democrats have, once again, offered up a less than ideal field of candidates. Trump should be easy to beat but they are stepping all over themselves yet again. We gotta come together. Too much is at stake. 
    I'm not suggesting I'm going out on a limb, dude. I know I'm saying what anyone else that understands this process already knows. But your "we gotta come together, too much is at stake" stance is easier said than done. If by some chance Sanders gets the nomination, will Bloomberg and Biden be behind him? Warren likely will, but I'm not sure about them. And if he doesn't win the nomination, and it's perceived by his supporters that he was screwed, they're not going to come out and vote for Bloomberg or whoever. 

    Also, half the country loves Trump, and they've already banded together. In fact, their bond (or whatever you wanna call it) has become stronger over the past four years. They're all in unison to see the democrats destroyed. You want (as I do, but I'm skeptical that it happens) the other half of the country to come together over the course of June through November. Not impossible, but as I said, easier said than done.
    Yes. They've already said as much. Bloomberg even said he will continue his spending machine on whoever the nominee is. THAT is the kind of unity the democrats need right now. Not what we saw a few days ago. That's the point.
    One of Sanders' campaign managers or top surrogates came out earlier this week and said they would not accept his money. THAT is exactly what we do not need. 

    Again--I don't think you are saying anything new. The incumbent always has an advantage. This one, in particular, should be easier to beat than the democrats are making it out to be. Despite the stuff you say in your second paragraph, it is still true that he has a lower approval rating than just about any incumbent in the history of polling running for re-election. And before you say something about polls, just about every incumbent in the history of polling has also gotten within a point or two of his approvals on election day. So he SHOULD be easy to beat. The democrats are shooting themselves in their collective foot. They need to stop. And fast. 
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  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    DEBATE RANKING

    1. Warren (fighting to survive. Killed Bloomberg all by herself)

    2. Sanders (Energized and refuted attacks ("if not capitalist it must be communism" "Your healthcare plan is expensive" effecticly. 
    3. Pete (Best at showing an alternative to Sanders)

    4. Biden (Not bad per se but disappeared a lot)
    5. Amy (think's her "punchlines" are smarter and more fun then they are)

    6. Bloomberg (a Trump test dummie)
    You ranking @cincybearcat

    1) Pete
    2) Warren

    3) Joe
    4) Bernie

    5) Amy
    6) Bloomberg


    Not that different.
    Yeah and after finishing the debate last night...might need to move Warren up to the #1 and slide Pete down 1 spot.  While I didn't always like what she said or what she was doing, Warren dominated the narrative of the night.  Pete was solid, but got a little petty with Amy I thought...though Amy's responses to him did highlight potential risk with her....she may have finished below Bloomberg even.  Joe/Bernie was basically a wash and could be flipped.  I put Joe ahead because he benefited on stage the most by Bloomberg being attacked. Well, bernie benefited in that people didnt attack him as much as well.
    There's a weird vibe between Pete and Amy.  She does not like him and takes what he says very personally, it appears. 
    I dont think anyone in the race likes Pete. Honestly. Hes like that dude from The Big Bang Theory. 

    i think the rest have respect for eachother. But they don’t like Pete. 
    Why would an adult dislike someone based on similarity to a character from a sitcom?
    I don't think they are making that specific connection...
    What connection are they making? I don't understand your point either. Seems like mostly a Pete and Amy thing...
    Pete is unlikeable. Other people are also unlikeable.                                                                         .
    You're a homophobe. Per the standards you've set for yourself on this board, I can call you a homophobe for saying Pete is unlikeable because you called me sexist yesterday for saying Amy was unlikeable. 
    Word choice matters, bruh. 
    Agreed. How dare you use a word as nasty as “unlikeable.” Bigotry!
    Reading is hard. 
    So is making allies and influencing.  
    I’ll focus on the latter when you redress the former. 
    You achieve neither around here, that's for sure.  
    Right over you’re head. Lol
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 38,081
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    DEBATE RANKING

    1. Warren (fighting to survive. Killed Bloomberg all by herself)

    2. Sanders (Energized and refuted attacks ("if not capitalist it must be communism" "Your healthcare plan is expensive" effecticly. 
    3. Pete (Best at showing an alternative to Sanders)

    4. Biden (Not bad per se but disappeared a lot)
    5. Amy (think's her "punchlines" are smarter and more fun then they are)

    6. Bloomberg (a Trump test dummie)
    You ranking @cincybearcat

    1) Pete
    2) Warren

    3) Joe
    4) Bernie

    5) Amy
    6) Bloomberg


    Not that different.
    Yeah and after finishing the debate last night...might need to move Warren up to the #1 and slide Pete down 1 spot.  While I didn't always like what she said or what she was doing, Warren dominated the narrative of the night.  Pete was solid, but got a little petty with Amy I thought...though Amy's responses to him did highlight potential risk with her....she may have finished below Bloomberg even.  Joe/Bernie was basically a wash and could be flipped.  I put Joe ahead because he benefited on stage the most by Bloomberg being attacked. Well, bernie benefited in that people didnt attack him as much as well.
    There's a weird vibe between Pete and Amy.  She does not like him and takes what he says very personally, it appears. 
    I dont think anyone in the race likes Pete. Honestly. Hes like that dude from The Big Bang Theory. 

    i think the rest have respect for eachother. But they don’t like Pete. 
    Why would an adult dislike someone based on similarity to a character from a sitcom?
    I don't think they are making that specific connection...
    What connection are they making? I don't understand your point either. Seems like mostly a Pete and Amy thing...
    Pete is unlikeable. Other people are also unlikeable.                                                                         .
    You're a homophobe. Per the standards you've set for yourself on this board, I can call you a homophobe for saying Pete is unlikeable because you called me sexist yesterday for saying Amy was unlikeable. 
    Word choice matters, bruh. 
    Agreed. How dare you use a word as nasty as “unlikeable.” Bigotry!
    Reading is hard. 
    Nah reading is easy. For example, a few posts up you said you didn't like Pete because of, "His politics mainly, but also his insufferable whiteness."

    So you're racist too? 

    Or are you sexist because he's a man? Because lord knows Amy and Warren have "insufferable whiteness" too. 

    See? Isn't this bullshit annoying?
    It’s an annoyance I’m used to. Lots of people don’t understand what racism and sexism are. You sound like some of my freshmen, so I’m not particularly annoyed. 
    See, folks? ^ This is the stuff I am talking about. You're killing yourselves over your wokeness. I see it a lot from Bernie supporters. That is not helping you beat Trump. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 18,745
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    DEBATE RANKING

    1. Warren (fighting to survive. Killed Bloomberg all by herself)

    2. Sanders (Energized and refuted attacks ("if not capitalist it must be communism" "Your healthcare plan is expensive" effecticly. 
    3. Pete (Best at showing an alternative to Sanders)

    4. Biden (Not bad per se but disappeared a lot)
    5. Amy (think's her "punchlines" are smarter and more fun then they are)

    6. Bloomberg (a Trump test dummie)
    You ranking @cincybearcat

    1) Pete
    2) Warren

    3) Joe
    4) Bernie

    5) Amy
    6) Bloomberg


    Not that different.
    Yeah and after finishing the debate last night...might need to move Warren up to the #1 and slide Pete down 1 spot.  While I didn't always like what she said or what she was doing, Warren dominated the narrative of the night.  Pete was solid, but got a little petty with Amy I thought...though Amy's responses to him did highlight potential risk with her....she may have finished below Bloomberg even.  Joe/Bernie was basically a wash and could be flipped.  I put Joe ahead because he benefited on stage the most by Bloomberg being attacked. Well, bernie benefited in that people didnt attack him as much as well.
    There's a weird vibe between Pete and Amy.  She does not like him and takes what he says very personally, it appears. 
    I dont think anyone in the race likes Pete. Honestly. Hes like that dude from The Big Bang Theory. 

    i think the rest have respect for eachother. But they don’t like Pete. 
    Why would an adult dislike someone based on similarity to a character from a sitcom?
    I don't think they are making that specific connection...
    What connection are they making? I don't understand your point either. Seems like mostly a Pete and Amy thing...
    Pete is unlikeable. Other people are also unlikeable.                                                                         .
    You're a homophobe. Per the standards you've set for yourself on this board, I can call you a homophobe for saying Pete is unlikeable because you called me sexist yesterday for saying Amy was unlikeable. 
    Word choice matters, bruh. 
    Agreed. How dare you use a word as nasty as “unlikeable.” Bigotry!
    Reading is hard. 
    So is making allies and influencing.  
    I’ll focus on the latter when you redress the former. 
    You achieve neither around here, that's for sure.  
    Right over you’re head. Lol
    I seriously doubt it.  I don't know what you want me to redress, unless you're still whining about the lawsuit and the end of your promising career of being a professional self loather.  
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 14,080
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:

    You should read that AmCon article I posted yesterday.  It will give you insight..  he's bourgeois and cis.  https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/gays-who-hate-pete-buttigieg/
    Good article.  I like him even more after reading it.
    And within that article, did you click and read the article that it's referencing? (https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-queer-opposition-to-pete-buttigieg-explained) It's so bizarre to think that there are folks on the far-left that feel that he's basically not gay ENOUGH or something. Even going as far as to call him a "straight man in a gay man's body" in the article. Weird. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 18,745
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    DEBATE RANKING

    1. Warren (fighting to survive. Killed Bloomberg all by herself)

    2. Sanders (Energized and refuted attacks ("if not capitalist it must be communism" "Your healthcare plan is expensive" effecticly. 
    3. Pete (Best at showing an alternative to Sanders)

    4. Biden (Not bad per se but disappeared a lot)
    5. Amy (think's her "punchlines" are smarter and more fun then they are)

    6. Bloomberg (a Trump test dummie)
    You ranking @cincybearcat

    1) Pete
    2) Warren

    3) Joe
    4) Bernie

    5) Amy
    6) Bloomberg


    Not that different.
    Yeah and after finishing the debate last night...might need to move Warren up to the #1 and slide Pete down 1 spot.  While I didn't always like what she said or what she was doing, Warren dominated the narrative of the night.  Pete was solid, but got a little petty with Amy I thought...though Amy's responses to him did highlight potential risk with her....she may have finished below Bloomberg even.  Joe/Bernie was basically a wash and could be flipped.  I put Joe ahead because he benefited on stage the most by Bloomberg being attacked. Well, bernie benefited in that people didnt attack him as much as well.
    There's a weird vibe between Pete and Amy.  She does not like him and takes what he says very personally, it appears. 
    I dont think anyone in the race likes Pete. Honestly. Hes like that dude from The Big Bang Theory. 

    i think the rest have respect for eachother. But they don’t like Pete. 
    Why would an adult dislike someone based on similarity to a character from a sitcom?
    I don't think they are making that specific connection...
    What connection are they making? I don't understand your point either. Seems like mostly a Pete and Amy thing...
    Pete is unlikeable. Other people are also unlikeable.                                                                         .
    You're a homophobe. Per the standards you've set for yourself on this board, I can call you a homophobe for saying Pete is unlikeable because you called me sexist yesterday for saying Amy was unlikeable. 
    Word choice matters, bruh. 
    Agreed. How dare you use a word as nasty as “unlikeable.” Bigotry!
    Reading is hard. 
    Nah reading is easy. For example, a few posts up you said you didn't like Pete because of, "His politics mainly, but also his insufferable whiteness."

    So you're racist too? 

    Or are you sexist because he's a man? Because lord knows Amy and Warren have "insufferable whiteness" too. 

    See? Isn't this bullshit annoying?
    It’s an annoyance I’m used to. Lots of people don’t understand what racism and sexism are. You sound like some of my freshmen, so I’m not particularly annoyed. 
    See, folks? ^ This is the stuff I am talking about. You're killing yourselves over your wokeness. I see it a lot from Bernie supporters. That is not helping you beat Trump. 
    Outside one or two people, you're preaching to the choir.  We all see it.  
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 38,081
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    DEBATE RANKING

    1. Warren (fighting to survive. Killed Bloomberg all by herself)

    2. Sanders (Energized and refuted attacks ("if not capitalist it must be communism" "Your healthcare plan is expensive" effecticly. 
    3. Pete (Best at showing an alternative to Sanders)

    4. Biden (Not bad per se but disappeared a lot)
    5. Amy (think's her "punchlines" are smarter and more fun then they are)

    6. Bloomberg (a Trump test dummie)
    You ranking @cincybearcat

    1) Pete
    2) Warren

    3) Joe
    4) Bernie

    5) Amy
    6) Bloomberg


    Not that different.
    Yeah and after finishing the debate last night...might need to move Warren up to the #1 and slide Pete down 1 spot.  While I didn't always like what she said or what she was doing, Warren dominated the narrative of the night.  Pete was solid, but got a little petty with Amy I thought...though Amy's responses to him did highlight potential risk with her....she may have finished below Bloomberg even.  Joe/Bernie was basically a wash and could be flipped.  I put Joe ahead because he benefited on stage the most by Bloomberg being attacked. Well, bernie benefited in that people didnt attack him as much as well.
    There's a weird vibe between Pete and Amy.  She does not like him and takes what he says very personally, it appears. 
    I dont think anyone in the race likes Pete. Honestly. Hes like that dude from The Big Bang Theory. 

    i think the rest have respect for eachother. But they don’t like Pete. 
    Why would an adult dislike someone based on similarity to a character from a sitcom?
    I don't think they are making that specific connection...
    What connection are they making? I don't understand your point either. Seems like mostly a Pete and Amy thing...
    Pete is unlikeable. Other people are also unlikeable.                                                                         .
    I like Pete a lot, why don't you like the man?
    His politics mainly, but also his insufferable whiteness.                                                    

    Sorry....but I just can't get over the ignorance of this statement. "Insufferable whiteness." What the fuck is wrong with some people?
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  • ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    DEBATE RANKING

    1. Warren (fighting to survive. Killed Bloomberg all by herself)

    2. Sanders (Energized and refuted attacks ("if not capitalist it must be communism" "Your healthcare plan is expensive" effecticly. 
    3. Pete (Best at showing an alternative to Sanders)

    4. Biden (Not bad per se but disappeared a lot)
    5. Amy (think's her "punchlines" are smarter and more fun then they are)

    6. Bloomberg (a Trump test dummie)
    You ranking @cincybearcat

    1) Pete
    2) Warren

    3) Joe
    4) Bernie

    5) Amy
    6) Bloomberg


    Not that different.
    Yeah and after finishing the debate last night...might need to move Warren up to the #1 and slide Pete down 1 spot.  While I didn't always like what she said or what she was doing, Warren dominated the narrative of the night.  Pete was solid, but got a little petty with Amy I thought...though Amy's responses to him did highlight potential risk with her....she may have finished below Bloomberg even.  Joe/Bernie was basically a wash and could be flipped.  I put Joe ahead because he benefited on stage the most by Bloomberg being attacked. Well, bernie benefited in that people didnt attack him as much as well.
    There's a weird vibe between Pete and Amy.  She does not like him and takes what he says very personally, it appears. 
    I dont think anyone in the race likes Pete. Honestly. Hes like that dude from The Big Bang Theory. 

    i think the rest have respect for eachother. But they don’t like Pete. 
    Why would an adult dislike someone based on similarity to a character from a sitcom?
    I don't think they are making that specific connection...
    What connection are they making? I don't understand your point either. Seems like mostly a Pete and Amy thing...
    Pete is unlikeable. Other people are also unlikeable.                                                                         .
    You're a homophobe. Per the standards you've set for yourself on this board, I can call you a homophobe for saying Pete is unlikeable because you called me sexist yesterday for saying Amy was unlikeable. 
    Word choice matters, bruh. 
    Agreed. How dare you use a word as nasty as “unlikeable.” Bigotry!
    Reading is hard. 
    Nah reading is easy. For example, a few posts up you said you didn't like Pete because of, "His politics mainly, but also his insufferable whiteness."

    So you're racist too? 

    Or are you sexist because he's a man? Because lord knows Amy and Warren have "insufferable whiteness" too. 

    See? Isn't this bullshit annoying?
    It’s an annoyance I’m used to. Lots of people don’t understand what racism and sexism are. You sound like some of my freshmen, so I’m not particularly annoyed. 
    See, folks? ^ This is the stuff I am talking about. You're killing yourselves over your wokeness. I see it a lot from Bernie supporters. That is not helping you beat Trump. 
    Falling for the craziness of Bloomberg being the solution to beating Trump isn't either.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 18,745
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:

    You should read that AmCon article I posted yesterday.  It will give you insight..  he's bourgeois and cis.  https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/gays-who-hate-pete-buttigieg/
    Good article.  I like him even more after reading it.
    And within that article, did you click and read the article that it's referencing? (https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-queer-opposition-to-pete-buttigieg-explained) It's so bizarre to think that there are folks on the far-left that feel that he's basically not gay ENOUGH or something. Even going as far as to call him a "straight man in a gay man's body" in the article. Weird. 
    All those fucking "normies".  
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 3,751
    pjl44 said:
    DEBATE RANKING

    1. Warren (fighting to survive. Killed Bloomberg all by herself)

    2. Sanders (Energized and refuted attacks ("if not capitalist it must be communism" "Your healthcare plan is expensive" effecticly. 
    3. Pete (Best at showing an alternative to Sanders)

    4. Biden (Not bad per se but disappeared a lot)
    5. Amy (think's her "punchlines" are smarter and more fun then they are)

    6. Bloomberg (a Trump test dummie)
    You ranking @cincybearcat

    1) Pete
    2) Warren

    3) Joe
    4) Bernie

    5) Amy
    6) Bloomberg


    Not that different.
    Yeah and after finishing the debate last night...might need to move Warren up to the #1 and slide Pete down 1 spot.  While I didn't always like what she said or what she was doing, Warren dominated the narrative of the night.  Pete was solid, but got a little petty with Amy I thought...though Amy's responses to him did highlight potential risk with her....she may have finished below Bloomberg even.  Joe/Bernie was basically a wash and could be flipped.  I put Joe ahead because he benefited on stage the most by Bloomberg being attacked. Well, bernie benefited in that people didnt attack him as much as well.

    Warren was an aggressive bully, cut people off, acted with entitlement with her expectation to always speak and slandered a candidate without evidence. We already have someone similar and he is president. On top of all that she is a horse faced liar.



    Holy crap. Why would I ever use the rough horse faced language?

    Hint, see Warren's quotes from the debate.




  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 3,751
    ecdanc said:
    DEBATE RANKING

    1. Warren (fighting to survive. Killed Bloomberg all by herself)

    2. Sanders (Energized and refuted attacks ("if not capitalist it must be communism" "Your healthcare plan is expensive" effecticly. 
    3. Pete (Best at showing an alternative to Sanders)

    4. Biden (Not bad per se but disappeared a lot)
    5. Amy (think's her "punchlines" are smarter and more fun then they are)

    6. Bloomberg (a Trump test dummie)
    You ranking @cincybearcat

    1) Pete
    2) Warren

    3) Joe
    4) Bernie

    5) Amy
    6) Bloomberg


    Not that different.
    Yeah and after finishing the debate last night...might need to move Warren up to the #1 and slide Pete down 1 spot.  While I didn't always like what she said or what she was doing, Warren dominated the narrative of the night.  Pete was solid, but got a little petty with Amy I thought...though Amy's responses to him did highlight potential risk with her....she may have finished below Bloomberg even.  Joe/Bernie was basically a wash and could be flipped.  I put Joe ahead because he benefited on stage the most by Bloomberg being attacked. Well, bernie benefited in that people didnt attack him as much as well.

    Warren was an aggressive bully, cut people off, acted with entitlement with her expectation to always speak and slandered a candidate without evidence. We already have someone similar and he is president. On top of all that she is a horse faced liar.
    Is Warren responsible for Pearl Jam only playing one show at MSG? Is that why your statements are transitioning into the blatantly sexist?

    I thought it was obvious I was attacking warren using her very own language. So we agree Warren is a sexist?

    And that's pretty funny about MSG. You know that fans could be perfectly cool missing a show or a tour, but still want to attempt to set the record straight about "low cost face value concerts?"
  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,584
    I don't vote for candidates because I like them. I vote for the candidates whose policies most align with my values.  I don't vote for candidates because I think they can win. I vote for the person I *want* to win. If everyone did that, the naturally strong candidate will emerge. The candidate that most people *want* will get the most votes. 

    Call me old fashioned but isn't this how it's supposed to work?
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 23,852
    edited February 21
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:

    You should read that AmCon article I posted yesterday.  It will give you insight..  he's bourgeois and cis.  https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/gays-who-hate-pete-buttigieg/
    Good article.  I like him even more after reading it.
    And within that article, did you click and read the article that it's referencing? (https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-queer-opposition-to-pete-buttigieg-explained) It's so bizarre to think that there are folks on the far-left that feel that he's basically not gay ENOUGH or something. Even going as far as to call him a "straight man in a gay man's body" in the article. Weird. 
    It is so weird. I hate the far left and far right.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 18,745
    I don't vote for candidates because I like them. I vote for the candidates whose policies most align with my values.  I don't vote for candidates because I think they can win. I vote for the person I *want* to win. If everyone did that, the naturally strong candidate will emerge. The candidate that most people *want* will get the most votes. 

    Call me old fashioned but isn't this how it's supposed to work?
    I think it comes down to probabilities.  Maybe I agree with Sanders 100% of the time, and Biden 90% of the time.  But I think Biden has a much stronger chance to win the general.  Are you better off with a 70% to achieve 90% of your beliefs, or 30% chance to get 100%.  Maybe those numbers aren't right, but I think that's the math that some people do when deciding.  I don't think that's wrong.   
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 3,751
    dignin said:
    DEBATE RANKING

    1. Warren (fighting to survive. Killed Bloomberg all by herself)

    2. Sanders (Energized and refuted attacks ("if not capitalist it must be communism" "Your healthcare plan is expensive" effecticly. 
    3. Pete (Best at showing an alternative to Sanders)

    4. Biden (Not bad per se but disappeared a lot)
    5. Amy (think's her "punchlines" are smarter and more fun then they are)

    6. Bloomberg (a Trump test dummie)
    You ranking @cincybearcat

    1) Pete
    2) Warren

    3) Joe
    4) Bernie

    5) Amy
    6) Bloomberg


    Not that different.
    Yeah and after finishing the debate last night...might need to move Warren up to the #1 and slide Pete down 1 spot.  While I didn't always like what she said or what she was doing, Warren dominated the narrative of the night.  Pete was solid, but got a little petty with Amy I thought...though Amy's responses to him did highlight potential risk with her....she may have finished below Bloomberg even.  Joe/Bernie was basically a wash and could be flipped.  I put Joe ahead because he benefited on stage the most by Bloomberg being attacked. Well, bernie benefited in that people didnt attack him as much as well.

    Warren was an aggressive bully, cut people off, acted with entitlement with her expectation to always speak and slandered a candidate without evidence. We already have someone similar and he is president. On top of all that she is a horse faced liar.
    And you forgot about the part where she won the debate by mopping the floor with your candidate.

    She exposed Bloomberg's vulnerabilitys as a candidate and should be thanked for it.

    Warren is Trump, that's pretty cute.

    My candidate??

     My ranking, I'm sure you dont care but here it is anyway-yes I'm using mostly first names, is Joe, Pete, Amy then Mike. BTW it helps the moderates keeping Warren in the game for another month, so thanks lizzie.

    Yes MB was eviscerated.  But talk about double standard laced upon double standard.

    It's ok for a woman to use offensive language attacking a man

    It's ok for a woman to attack a man without proof

    It's ok for a woman to attack a successful self made man because he is a billionaire. 

    Is the opposite of any of that true?

    I'd expect MB to be better prepared next time FWIW
  • mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:

    You should read that AmCon article I posted yesterday.  It will give you insight..  he's bourgeois and cis.  https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/gays-who-hate-pete-buttigieg/
    Good article.  I like him even more after reading it.
    And within that article, did you click and read the article that it's referencing? (https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-queer-opposition-to-pete-buttigieg-explained) It's so bizarre to think that there are folks on the far-left that feel that he's basically not gay ENOUGH or something. Even going as far as to call him a "straight man in a gay man's body" in the article. Weird. 
    It is so weird. I hate the far left and far right.  
    your "far left" =/= the far right Trump supports
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  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    DEBATE RANKING

    1. Warren (fighting to survive. Killed Bloomberg all by herself)

    2. Sanders (Energized and refuted attacks ("if not capitalist it must be communism" "Your healthcare plan is expensive" effecticly. 
    3. Pete (Best at showing an alternative to Sanders)

    4. Biden (Not bad per se but disappeared a lot)
    5. Amy (think's her "punchlines" are smarter and more fun then they are)

    6. Bloomberg (a Trump test dummie)
    You ranking @cincybearcat

    1) Pete
    2) Warren

    3) Joe
    4) Bernie

    5) Amy
    6) Bloomberg


    Not that different.
    Yeah and after finishing the debate last night...might need to move Warren up to the #1 and slide Pete down 1 spot.  While I didn't always like what she said or what she was doing, Warren dominated the narrative of the night.  Pete was solid, but got a little petty with Amy I thought...though Amy's responses to him did highlight potential risk with her....she may have finished below Bloomberg even.  Joe/Bernie was basically a wash and could be flipped.  I put Joe ahead because he benefited on stage the most by Bloomberg being attacked. Well, bernie benefited in that people didnt attack him as much as well.
    There's a weird vibe between Pete and Amy.  She does not like him and takes what he says very personally, it appears. 
    I dont think anyone in the race likes Pete. Honestly. Hes like that dude from The Big Bang Theory. 

    i think the rest have respect for eachother. But they don’t like Pete. 
    Why would an adult dislike someone based on similarity to a character from a sitcom?
    I don't think they are making that specific connection...
    What connection are they making? I don't understand your point either. Seems like mostly a Pete and Amy thing...
    Pete is unlikeable. Other people are also unlikeable.                                                                         .
    I like Pete a lot, why don't you like the man?
    His politics mainly, but also his insufferable whiteness.                                                    

    Sorry....but I just can't get over the ignorance of this statement. "Insufferable whiteness." What the fuck is wrong with some people?
    Ignorant? Are you pretty up to date on critical whiteness studies?                                

  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 25,596
    Folks,

    Here's the thing...after yesterday's unsurprising news that Russia is at it again and Trump is covering it up, we all have to be on the same page. That's number one.

    Number two...no matter who the nominee is, a moderate billionaire with a sexist past from a sexist time, a former Obama VP, or a socialist senator from Vermont who is closer to the NRA than most would like.....one thing is clear---WE ALL HAVE TO UNITE BEHIND WHOMEVER IS THE NOMINEE.

    Donald Trump is an existential risk to our democracy. Defeating him is more important than literally ANY OTHER ISSUE in this campaign. I really hope the candidates in the next debate focus on that instead of tearing each other down. That's number three (Biden voice).

    You know I am an independent. My views are moderate mostly. But I can tell with 100% certainty that I will back Bernie or Elizabeth, or the reincarnation of Hillary as a result of a brokered convention. I also pledge to volunteer my time to help whomever it is. I hope you all will do the same.

    Quit the bickering. Focus on the most important thing that unites all of us------defeating this fucking Russian stooge in November. Literally the future of the country is dependent upon this.  Anything else you care about policy-wise should be a distant second. 
    I'm totally on board with this and will support whomever the nominee is. Unfortunately, the Berniebrosises will not if Bernie isn't the man. And in Team Trump Treason fashion, they prefer the chaos of what another 4 years of Team Trump Treason does to uniting behind the dem nominee as it opens the door a little more for their vision of utopia, even if they have to wait 4 more years for another chance and suffer irreparable harm in the meantime. What a bitter old man Bernie will be in his final days.
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 3,751
    Folks,

    Here's the thing...after yesterday's unsurprising news that Russia is at it again and Trump is covering it up, we all have to be on the same page. That's number one.

    Number two...no matter who the nominee is, a moderate billionaire with a sexist past from a sexist time, a former Obama VP, or a socialist senator from Vermont who is closer to the NRA than most would like.....one thing is clear---WE ALL HAVE TO UNITE BEHIND WHOMEVER IS THE NOMINEE.

    Donald Trump is an existential risk to our democracy. Defeating him is more important than literally ANY OTHER ISSUE in this campaign. I really hope the candidates in the next debate focus on that instead of tearing each other down. That's number three (Biden voice).

    You know I am an independent. My views are moderate mostly. But I can tell with 100% certainty that I will back Bernie or Elizabeth, or the reincarnation of Hillary as a result of a brokered convention. I also pledge to volunteer my time to help whomever it is. I hope you all will do the same.

    Quit the bickering. Focus on the most important thing that unites all of us------defeating this fucking Russian stooge in November. Literally the future of the country is dependent upon this.  Anything else you care about policy-wise should be a distant second. 
    I'm totally on board with this and will support whomever the nominee is. Unfortunately, the Berniebrosises will not if Bernie isn't the man. And in Team Trump Treason fashion, they prefer the chaos of what another 4 years of Team Trump Treason does to uniting behind the dem nominee as it opens the door a little more for their vision of utopia, even if they have to wait 4 more years for another chance and suffer irreparable harm in the meantime. What a bitter old man Bernie will be in his final days.
    And if bernie is the nominee many independents and moderate dems are not voting for him

    Dems are screwed either way

    Might as well vote for trump
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 25,596
    Folks,

    Here's the thing...after yesterday's unsurprising news that Russia is at it again and Trump is covering it up, we all have to be on the same page. That's number one.

    Number two...no matter who the nominee is, a moderate billionaire with a sexist past from a sexist time, a former Obama VP, or a socialist senator from Vermont who is closer to the NRA than most would like.....one thing is clear---WE ALL HAVE TO UNITE BEHIND WHOMEVER IS THE NOMINEE.

    Donald Trump is an existential risk to our democracy. Defeating him is more important than literally ANY OTHER ISSUE in this campaign. I really hope the candidates in the next debate focus on that instead of tearing each other down. That's number three (Biden voice).

    You know I am an independent. My views are moderate mostly. But I can tell with 100% certainty that I will back Bernie or Elizabeth, or the reincarnation of Hillary as a result of a brokered convention. I also pledge to volunteer my time to help whomever it is. I hope you all will do the same.

    Quit the bickering. Focus on the most important thing that unites all of us------defeating this fucking Russian stooge in November. Literally the future of the country is dependent upon this.  Anything else you care about policy-wise should be a distant second. 
    I'm totally on board with this and will support whomever the nominee is. Unfortunately, the Berniebrosises will not if Bernie isn't the man. And in Team Trump Treason fashion, they prefer the chaos of what another 4 years of Team Trump Treason does to uniting behind the dem nominee as it opens the door a little more for their vision of utopia, even if they have to wait 4 more years for another chance and suffer irreparable harm in the meantime. What a bitter old man Bernie will be in his final days.
    And if bernie is the nominee many independents and moderate dems are not voting for him

    Dems are screwed either way

    Might as well vote for trump
    Something which is totally lost on the Berniebrosises. The "free stuff" generation is going to be really disappointed.
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  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    Folks,

    Here's the thing...after yesterday's unsurprising news that Russia is at it again and Trump is covering it up, we all have to be on the same page. That's number one.

    Number two...no matter who the nominee is, a moderate billionaire with a sexist past from a sexist time, a former Obama VP, or a socialist senator from Vermont who is closer to the NRA than most would like.....one thing is clear---WE ALL HAVE TO UNITE BEHIND WHOMEVER IS THE NOMINEE.

    Donald Trump is an existential risk to our democracy. Defeating him is more important than literally ANY OTHER ISSUE in this campaign. I really hope the candidates in the next debate focus on that instead of tearing each other down. That's number three (Biden voice).

    You know I am an independent. My views are moderate mostly. But I can tell with 100% certainty that I will back Bernie or Elizabeth, or the reincarnation of Hillary as a result of a brokered convention. I also pledge to volunteer my time to help whomever it is. I hope you all will do the same.

    Quit the bickering. Focus on the most important thing that unites all of us------defeating this fucking Russian stooge in November. Literally the future of the country is dependent upon this.  Anything else you care about policy-wise should be a distant second. 
    I'm totally on board with this and will support whomever the nominee is. Unfortunately, the Berniebrosises will not if Bernie isn't the man. And in Team Trump Treason fashion, they prefer the chaos of what another 4 years of Team Trump Treason does to uniting behind the dem nominee as it opens the door a little more for their vision of utopia, even if they have to wait 4 more years for another chance and suffer irreparable harm in the meantime. What a bitter old man Bernie will be in his final days.
    And if bernie is the nominee many independents and moderate dems are not voting for him

    Dems are screwed either way

    Might as well vote for trump
    Something which is totally lost on the Berniebrosises. The "free stuff" generation is going to be really disappointed.
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  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    ecdanc said:
    DEBATE RANKING

    1. Warren (fighting to survive. Killed Bloomberg all by herself)

    2. Sanders (Energized and refuted attacks ("if not capitalist it must be communism" "Your healthcare plan is expensive" effecticly. 
    3. Pete (Best at showing an alternative to Sanders)

    4. Biden (Not bad per se but disappeared a lot)
    5. Amy (think's her "punchlines" are smarter and more fun then they are)

    6. Bloomberg (a Trump test dummie)
    You ranking @cincybearcat

    1) Pete
    2) Warren

    3) Joe
    4) Bernie

    5) Amy
    6) Bloomberg


    Not that different.
    Yeah and after finishing the debate last night...might need to move Warren up to the #1 and slide Pete down 1 spot.  While I didn't always like what she said or what she was doing, Warren dominated the narrative of the night.  Pete was solid, but got a little petty with Amy I thought...though Amy's responses to him did highlight potential risk with her....she may have finished below Bloomberg even.  Joe/Bernie was basically a wash and could be flipped.  I put Joe ahead because he benefited on stage the most by Bloomberg being attacked. Well, bernie benefited in that people didnt attack him as much as well.

    Warren was an aggressive bully, cut people off, acted with entitlement with her expectation to always speak and slandered a candidate without evidence. We already have someone similar and he is president. On top of all that she is a horse faced liar.
    Is Warren responsible for Pearl Jam only playing one show at MSG? Is that why your statements are transitioning into the blatantly sexist?

    I thought it was obvious I was attacking warren using her very own language. So we agree Warren is a sexist?

    And that's pretty funny about MSG. You know that fans could be perfectly cool missing a show or a tour, but still want to attempt to set the record straight about "low cost face value concerts?"
    You’re using the language of a sexist attack, quoted by warren, to attack a woman. Don’t be thick. 
  • Folks,

    Here's the thing...after yesterday's unsurprising news that Russia is at it again and Trump is covering it up, we all have to be on the same page. That's number one.

    Number two...no matter who the nominee is, a moderate billionaire with a sexist past from a sexist time, a former Obama VP, or a socialist senator from Vermont who is closer to the NRA than most would like.....one thing is clear---WE ALL HAVE TO UNITE BEHIND WHOMEVER IS THE NOMINEE.

    Donald Trump is an existential risk to our democracy. Defeating him is more important than literally ANY OTHER ISSUE in this campaign. I really hope the candidates in the next debate focus on that instead of tearing each other down. That's number three (Biden voice).

    You know I am an independent. My views are moderate mostly. But I can tell with 100% certainty that I will back Bernie or Elizabeth, or the reincarnation of Hillary as a result of a brokered convention. I also pledge to volunteer my time to help whomever it is. I hope you all will do the same.

    Quit the bickering. Focus on the most important thing that unites all of us------defeating this fucking Russian stooge in November. Literally the future of the country is dependent upon this.  Anything else you care about policy-wise should be a distant second. 
    I'm totally on board with this and will support whomever the nominee is. Unfortunately, the Berniebrosises will not if Bernie isn't the man. And in Team Trump Treason fashion, they prefer the chaos of what another 4 years of Team Trump Treason does to uniting behind the dem nominee as it opens the door a little more for their vision of utopia, even if they have to wait 4 more years for another chance and suffer irreparable harm in the meantime. What a bitter old man Bernie will be in his final days.
    And if bernie is the nominee many independents and moderate dems are not voting for him

    Dems are screwed either way

    Might as well vote for trump
    Something which is totally lost on the Berniebrosises. The "free stuff" generation is going to be really disappointed.
    Did some Bernie Bro swipe left on you on Tinder or something? 

    All you do in here is (try to) dunk on the fairness and the good of Bernie Sanders.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 14,080
    edited February 21
    Folks,

    Here's the thing...after yesterday's unsurprising news that Russia is at it again and Trump is covering it up, we all have to be on the same page. That's number one.

    Number two...no matter who the nominee is, a moderate billionaire with a sexist past from a sexist time, a former Obama VP, or a socialist senator from Vermont who is closer to the NRA than most would like.....one thing is clear---WE ALL HAVE TO UNITE BEHIND WHOMEVER IS THE NOMINEE.

    Donald Trump is an existential risk to our democracy. Defeating him is more important than literally ANY OTHER ISSUE in this campaign. I really hope the candidates in the next debate focus on that instead of tearing each other down. That's number three (Biden voice).

    You know I am an independent. My views are moderate mostly. But I can tell with 100% certainty that I will back Bernie or Elizabeth, or the reincarnation of Hillary as a result of a brokered convention. I also pledge to volunteer my time to help whomever it is. I hope you all will do the same.

    Quit the bickering. Focus on the most important thing that unites all of us------defeating this fucking Russian stooge in November. Literally the future of the country is dependent upon this.  Anything else you care about policy-wise should be a distant second. 
    That all sounds well and good, Juggler. But if Sanders goes into the convention with the most delegates, but not the 1,991 he needs to secure the nomination, and the superdelegates give the nomination to someone else, forget about beating Trump, I think it could be an electoral death-sentence for the Democrats. Let's say, hypothetically, that Sanders gets 33% of the total votes in the primary and that's the plurality, but he doesn't receive the nomination. Well that's 33% of registered democrats that might tell the party to fuck off forever. 
    I've said this many times, democrats love finding ways to lose elections they should win.

    Doesn't mean we can't do whatever we can to help whoever the nominee is
    That's true. I just think, in this scenario where Sanders has a plurality but not the majority, granting him the nomination likely will bode well for Trump's re-election, but to deny him the nomination will have ramifications that go well beyond the Trump presidency....

    I personally think Trump will beat whoever the nominee is. So for the sake of their democratic party's future, the DNC better not fuck with their voters and say "Sure you like Bernie Sanders, but we're smarter than you and we know he can't beat Trump, so here's Bloomberg." That would blow up in their faces two-fold. First off, they'll piss off a large portion of their party, and secondly, in my opinion, Bloomberg will lose anyway. 
    You're not exactly going out on a limb predicting treacherous waters if there is a brokered convention, dude. Of course that will dramatically weaken whoever is the nominee. 

    My point is a simple one--no matter who it is/no matter how it plays out, support him/her and stop driving wedges before it's too late. The democrats have, once again, offered up a less than ideal field of candidates. Trump should be easy to beat but they are stepping all over themselves yet again. We gotta come together. Too much is at stake. 
    I'm not suggesting I'm going out on a limb, dude. I know I'm saying what anyone else that understands this process already knows. But your "we gotta come together, too much is at stake" stance is easier said than done. If by some chance Sanders gets the nomination, will Bloomberg and Biden be behind him? Warren likely will, but I'm not sure about them. And if he doesn't win the nomination, and it's perceived by his supporters that he was screwed, they're not going to come out and vote for Bloomberg or whoever. 

    Also, half the country loves Trump, and they've already banded together. In fact, their bond (or whatever you wanna call it) has become stronger over the past four years. They're all in unison to see the democrats destroyed. You want (as I do, but I'm skeptical that it happens) the other half of the country to come together over the course of June through November. Not impossible, but as I said, easier said than done.
    Yes. They've already said as much. Bloomberg even said he will continue his spending machine on whoever the nominee is. THAT is the kind of unity the democrats need right now. Not what we saw a few days ago. That's the point.
    One of Sanders' campaign managers or top surrogates came out earlier this week and said they would not accept his money. THAT is exactly what we do not need. 

    Again--I don't think you are saying anything new. The incumbent always has an advantage. This one, in particular, should be easier to beat than the democrats are making it out to be. Despite the stuff you say in your second paragraph, it is still true that he has a lower approval rating than just about any incumbent in the history of polling running for re-election. And before you say something about polls, just about every incumbent in the history of polling has also gotten within a point or two of his approvals on election day. So he SHOULD be easy to beat. The democrats are shooting themselves in their collective foot. They need to stop. And fast. 
    Hmm I didn't see that (the bolded part). Yeah that would be beyond foolish. 

    And as for polls, yeah as I've said before, I don't put much stock in them, but I don't completely dismiss them either. I was curious to see what Bush's approval rating was in February 2004 compared to Trump's today. According to Gallup, Trump is at 49% (pretty good considering everything that's wrong with him and his presidency), Obama was at 45% in February 2012, and Bush was at 51% in February 2004. So unless this page I'm linking to is incorrect, Trump doesn't have the lowest approval rating of any incumbent running for re-election. It has Obama at 45% in Feb. 2012, and Bush Sr. at 41% in Feb 1992.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 20,916
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    DEBATE RANKING

    1. Warren (fighting to survive. Killed Bloomberg all by herself)

    2. Sanders (Energized and refuted attacks ("if not capitalist it must be communism" "Your healthcare plan is expensive" effecticly. 
    3. Pete (Best at showing an alternative to Sanders)

    4. Biden (Not bad per se but disappeared a lot)
    5. Amy (think's her "punchlines" are smarter and more fun then they are)

    6. Bloomberg (a Trump test dummie)
    You ranking @cincybearcat

    1) Pete
    2) Warren

    3) Joe
    4) Bernie

    5) Amy
    6) Bloomberg


    Not that different.
    Yeah and after finishing the debate last night...might need to move Warren up to the #1 and slide Pete down 1 spot.  While I didn't always like what she said or what she was doing, Warren dominated the narrative of the night.  Pete was solid, but got a little petty with Amy I thought...though Amy's responses to him did highlight potential risk with her....she may have finished below Bloomberg even.  Joe/Bernie was basically a wash and could be flipped.  I put Joe ahead because he benefited on stage the most by Bloomberg being attacked. Well, bernie benefited in that people didnt attack him as much as well.
    There's a weird vibe between Pete and Amy.  She does not like him and takes what he says very personally, it appears. 
    I dont think anyone in the race likes Pete. Honestly. Hes like that dude from The Big Bang Theory. 

    i think the rest have respect for eachother. But they don’t like Pete. 
    Why would an adult dislike someone based on similarity to a character from a sitcom?
    I don't think they are making that specific connection...
    What connection are they making? I don't understand your point either. Seems like mostly a Pete and Amy thing...
    Pete is unlikeable. Other people are also unlikeable.                                                                         .
    I like Pete a lot, why don't you like the man?
    His politics mainly, but also his insufferable whiteness.                                                    

    Sorry....but I just can't get over the ignorance of this statement. "Insufferable whiteness." What the fuck is wrong with some people?

    Quite a bit. 


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