The Democratic Presidential Debates

cincybearcat said:

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

What happened in Iowa? In one sentence? Voting didn't work as planned?

They developed a new reporting app that didn't work. Chaos ensues.

Honestly I have no idea what the huge deal is. Reporting happened, some issues, they are looking back at the hard votes and data to ensure they get it right. Just cause you don’t get the info instantaneously doesn’t mean it’s bad.

Yeah probably. The campaigns were all pretty pissed, though, and it does make the DNC look silly. The test will be whether any of the candidates call the results into question. 

pjl44 said:

cincybearcat said:

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

What happened in Iowa? In one sentence? Voting didn't work as planned?

They developed a new reporting app that didn't work. Chaos ensues.

Honestly I have no idea what the huge deal is. Reporting happened, some issues, they are looking back at the hard votes and data to ensure they get it right. Just cause you don’t get the info instantaneously doesn’t mean it’s bad.

Yeah probably. The campaigns were all pretty pissed, though, and it does make the DNC look silly. The test will be whether any of the candidates call the results into question. 

The campaigns are pissed because:

1) Biden wants to down play his big loss
2) Pete and Amy missing chance to gain traction quickly

How come with all the talk about Trump not accepting election results, it always seems like it the Dems?  Even when a primary?  Sickening.  I think the country's only hope is to have Biden and Bernie have to drop out cause they are old farts.

Ledbetterman10 said:

cincybearcat said:

pjl44 said:

cincybearcat said:

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

What happened in Iowa? In one sentence? Voting didn't work as planned?

They developed a new reporting app that didn't work. Chaos ensues.

Honestly I have no idea what the huge deal is. Reporting happened, some issues, they are looking back at the hard votes and data to ensure they get it right. Just cause you don’t get the info instantaneously doesn’t mean it’s bad.

Yeah probably. The campaigns were all pretty pissed, though, and it does make the DNC look silly. The test will be whether any of the candidates call the results into question. 

The campaigns are pissed because:

1) Biden wants to down play his big loss
2) Pete and Amy missing chance to gain traction quickly

How come with all the talk about Trump not accepting election results, it always seems like it the Dems?  Even when a primary?  Sickening.  I think the country's only hope is to have Biden and Bernie have to drop out cause they are old farts.

So you seem to be following this closely. Who do you anticipate the winner of the caucus being?

Honestly it'll be Bernie with slim shot at Pete.  Pete did very well, especially after non-viable candidates had to have voters move.  My guess is bernie wins but Pete and Amy beat expectations.

Here's the other problem. For all the hyperventilating about foreign interference and hacking from this very party, they rolled out digital reporting that doesn't seem to have been vetted appropriately. 

Ledbetterman10 said:

cincybearcat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

cincybearcat said:

pjl44 said:

cincybearcat said:

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

What happened in Iowa? In one sentence? Voting didn't work as planned?

They developed a new reporting app that didn't work. Chaos ensues.

Honestly I have no idea what the huge deal is. Reporting happened, some issues, they are looking back at the hard votes and data to ensure they get it right. Just cause you don’t get the info instantaneously doesn’t mean it’s bad.

Yeah probably. The campaigns were all pretty pissed, though, and it does make the DNC look silly. The test will be whether any of the candidates call the results into question. 

The campaigns are pissed because:

1) Biden wants to down play his big loss
2) Pete and Amy missing chance to gain traction quickly

How come with all the talk about Trump not accepting election results, it always seems like it the Dems?  Even when a primary?  Sickening.  I think the country's only hope is to have Biden and Bernie have to drop out cause they are old farts.

So you seem to be following this closely. Who do you anticipate the winner of the caucus being?

Honestly it'll be Bernie with slim shot at Pete.  Pete did very well, especially after non-viable candidates had to have voters move.  My guess is bernie wins but Pete and Amy beat expectations.

Interesting. Surprising to see Biden do so poorly. 

The word is he may have done *very* poorly

pjl44 said:

Here's the other problem. For all the hyperventilating about foreign interference and hacking from this very party, they rolled out digital reporting that doesn't seem to have been vetted appropriately. 

They have paper trail and photos of tallies...there is no issue with getting it right, just how fast.  It's all out in the open

pjl44 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

cincybearcat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

cincybearcat said:

pjl44 said:

cincybearcat said:

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

What happened in Iowa? In one sentence? Voting didn't work as planned?

They developed a new reporting app that didn't work. Chaos ensues.

Honestly I have no idea what the huge deal is. Reporting happened, some issues, they are looking back at the hard votes and data to ensure they get it right. Just cause you don’t get the info instantaneously doesn’t mean it’s bad.

Yeah probably. The campaigns were all pretty pissed, though, and it does make the DNC look silly. The test will be whether any of the candidates call the results into question. 

The campaigns are pissed because:

1) Biden wants to down play his big loss
2) Pete and Amy missing chance to gain traction quickly

How come with all the talk about Trump not accepting election results, it always seems like it the Dems?  Even when a primary?  Sickening.  I think the country's only hope is to have Biden and Bernie have to drop out cause they are old farts.

So you seem to be following this closely. Who do you anticipate the winner of the caucus being?

Honestly it'll be Bernie with slim shot at Pete.  Pete did very well, especially after non-viable candidates had to have voters move.  My guess is bernie wins but Pete and Amy beat expectations.

Interesting. Surprising to see Biden do so poorly. 

The word is he may have done *very* poorly

Well I hope he's still around when Pennsylvania (my state) comes up to vote. I'm not a registered democrat, but I feel most people I know that are would vote for him. I contend he's the only one with a shot a beating Trump. 

The fact that he may NOT be around for PA is why I hate this primary system. The candidate you may like may be long-vanquished before you get a chance to vote for him/her. In 2016, my friend who is a big Bush supporter, wanted to vote for Jeb. But Trump had long destroyed Jeb before it got to Pennsylvania. So my friend didn't even vote in the GOP primary because his guy was out, and he didn't like Trump.

I don't see why they just don't hold a national primary election on a single day. Or if that's too much to ask, why not do 10 states at a time? Like five separate Super Tuesdays or something? It's a disservice to the voters that their candidate (that they might have even contributed money to) might not even be around when it's their time to vote. 

And this is why I have no party affiliation. I don't even want to be a part of either party's shit-show. I'll show up for the general election, vote, and let the pieces fall where they may. 

cincybearcat said:

It just gets old...

"Oh my, things are taking longer than we thought"  "Let's run around and panic and say something fishy is going on"

Keep this in mind, how long did it take Pearl jam and Ticketmaster to tell people they got seats and tell them what seats?  And for how many tickets?  Sheesh, relax.

24/7 media and now twitter play a big role too.

Ledbetterman10 said:

pjl44 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

cincybearcat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

cincybearcat said:

pjl44 said:

cincybearcat said:

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

What happened in Iowa? In one sentence? Voting didn't work as planned?

They developed a new reporting app that didn't work. Chaos ensues.

Honestly I have no idea what the huge deal is. Reporting happened, some issues, they are looking back at the hard votes and data to ensure they get it right. Just cause you don’t get the info instantaneously doesn’t mean it’s bad.

Yeah probably. The campaigns were all pretty pissed, though, and it does make the DNC look silly. The test will be whether any of the candidates call the results into question. 

The campaigns are pissed because:

1) Biden wants to down play his big loss
2) Pete and Amy missing chance to gain traction quickly

How come with all the talk about Trump not accepting election results, it always seems like it the Dems?  Even when a primary?  Sickening.  I think the country's only hope is to have Biden and Bernie have to drop out cause they are old farts.

So you seem to be following this closely. Who do you anticipate the winner of the caucus being?

Honestly it'll be Bernie with slim shot at Pete.  Pete did very well, especially after non-viable candidates had to have voters move.  My guess is bernie wins but Pete and Amy beat expectations.

Interesting. Surprising to see Biden do so poorly. 

The word is he may have done *very* poorly

Well I hope he's still around when Pennsylvania (my state) comes up to vote. I'm not a registered democrat, but I feel most people I know that are would vote for him. I contend he's the only one with a shot a beating Trump. 

The fact that he may NOT be around for PA is why I hate this primary system. The candidate you may like may be long-vanquished before you get a chance to vote for him/her. In 2016, my friend who is a big Bush supporter, wanted to vote for Jeb. But Trump had long destroyed Jeb before it got to Pennsylvania. So my friend didn't even vote in the GOP primary because his guy was out, and he didn't like Trump.

I don't see why they just don't hold a national primary election on a single day. Or if that's too much to ask, why not do 10 states at a time? Like five separate Super Tuesdays or something? It's a disservice to the voters that their candidate (that they might have even contributed money to) might not even be around when it's their time to vote. 

And this is why I have no party affiliation. I don't even want to be a part of either party's shit-show. I'll show up for the general election, vote, and let the pieces fall where they may. 

I am with you 100% on this. It should all be on one day. Or over a week but every state at the same time. We'll be dwelling on the results of 1 caucus and 1 primary for the better part of a month. Crazy. 

mickeyrat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

pjl44 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

cincybearcat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

cincybearcat said:

pjl44 said:

cincybearcat said:

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

What happened in Iowa? In one sentence? Voting didn't work as planned?

They developed a new reporting app that didn't work. Chaos ensues.

Honestly I have no idea what the huge deal is. Reporting happened, some issues, they are looking back at the hard votes and data to ensure they get it right. Just cause you don’t get the info instantaneously doesn’t mean it’s bad.

Yeah probably. The campaigns were all pretty pissed, though, and it does make the DNC look silly. The test will be whether any of the candidates call the results into question. 

The campaigns are pissed because:

1) Biden wants to down play his big loss
2) Pete and Amy missing chance to gain traction quickly

How come with all the talk about Trump not accepting election results, it always seems like it the Dems?  Even when a primary?  Sickening.  I think the country's only hope is to have Biden and Bernie have to drop out cause they are old farts.

So you seem to be following this closely. Who do you anticipate the winner of the caucus being?

Honestly it'll be Bernie with slim shot at Pete.  Pete did very well, especially after non-viable candidates had to have voters move.  My guess is bernie wins but Pete and Amy beat expectations.

Interesting. Surprising to see Biden do so poorly. 

The word is he may have done *very* poorly

According to the slim sample I had...a few people at districts and then watching a bunch of others on TV...biden didnt have a lot of support in many areas.  Even in some areas that had an older caucus goer... We will see but I think the results will be very bad for him.  

pete though! 

 

interesting. yeah its not the full count, but look at the differences between first and final counts.

And the campaigns want to rush......

They never should report first tally. Doesn’t mean a thing.

and Bernie releasing this makes me like him less. What an ass. 40%? Just let them count you old asshat.