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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,221
    oftenreading said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    ecdanc said:
    dignin said:
    ecdanc said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    i have read what was written. no point was missed. people here need to come to the realization that just because I disagree with you, doesn't mean a point was missed, or, as dignin so elegantly put it, as usual, is "fucking weak". 
    So you didn’t miss the part where I explained that gender expression starts around 3 years old? 
    I remember you pointing that out. As a father of two boys, one who just turned 3 a few months ago, this sounds about right. Also lines up with all my family and friends experiences who have kids around a similar age.
    So most kids will be expressing their gender well before they encounter the roving gangs of cruel five-year-olds. 
    first, the 5 year old thing was talking about identity, not bullying. but that doesn't match up with the attempt at clever quips. 

    second, i guess we can tell all those people out there transitioning at age 17, 22, 35, 47, and 69, that they are well behind the curve of modern 3 year olds. 

    I think this and similar posts show a lack of understanding of what ecdanc is proposing. He's not talking about raising the child in a gender neutral fashion forever, just until the child starts to express/generate their own gender identity, at which point they will raise the child congruent with that gender (presumably while trying to avoid gender stereotypes). All the talk about the child or its little compatriots being "confused" by the lack of gender expectations misses the point, which is that infants and toddlers and preschoolers generally aren't confused by this, or more precisely, they are as confused by this as they are by pretty much everything else, because it's all new and they are just trying to absorb it all. There isn't really any bullying at this age, at least for anything other than "I want that toy so I'm going to take it". By the time the kids reach the age where bullying about perceived differences starts, the child will be expressing their gender identity already. 

    Those people of 17, 22, 35 or 69 that you're using as examples - they're exactly the ones that would have benefited from this approach. They wouldn't have had to struggle for years or decades with incongruencies between their assigned gender and the gender they perceive themselves to be. 
    you my friend are a far better advocate for these and other issues....

    I feel spoken to. Engaged with.

    Not spoken at.

    thank you.
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  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    edited February 2020
    mickeyrat said:
    oftenreading said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    ecdanc said:
    dignin said:
    ecdanc said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    i have read what was written. no point was missed. people here need to come to the realization that just because I disagree with you, doesn't mean a point was missed, or, as dignin so elegantly put it, as usual, is "fucking weak". 
    So you didn’t miss the part where I explained that gender expression starts around 3 years old? 
    I remember you pointing that out. As a father of two boys, one who just turned 3 a few months ago, this sounds about right. Also lines up with all my family and friends experiences who have kids around a similar age.
    So most kids will be expressing their gender well before they encounter the roving gangs of cruel five-year-olds. 
    first, the 5 year old thing was talking about identity, not bullying. but that doesn't match up with the attempt at clever quips. 

    second, i guess we can tell all those people out there transitioning at age 17, 22, 35, 47, and 69, that they are well behind the curve of modern 3 year olds. 

    I think this and similar posts show a lack of understanding of what ecdanc is proposing. He's not talking about raising the child in a gender neutral fashion forever, just until the child starts to express/generate their own gender identity, at which point they will raise the child congruent with that gender (presumably while trying to avoid gender stereotypes). All the talk about the child or its little compatriots being "confused" by the lack of gender expectations misses the point, which is that infants and toddlers and preschoolers generally aren't confused by this, or more precisely, they are as confused by this as they are by pretty much everything else, because it's all new and they are just trying to absorb it all. There isn't really any bullying at this age, at least for anything other than "I want that toy so I'm going to take it". By the time the kids reach the age where bullying about perceived differences starts, the child will be expressing their gender identity already. 

    Those people of 17, 22, 35 or 69 that you're using as examples - they're exactly the ones that would have benefited from this approach. They wouldn't have had to struggle for years or decades with incongruencies between their assigned gender and the gender they perceive themselves to be. 
    you my friend are a far better advocate for these and other issues....

    I feel spoken to. Engaged with.

    Not spoken at.

    thank you.
    And he actually read my posts! (username checks out)

    Thanks, oftenreading. 
    Post edited by ecdanc on
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,447
    ecdanc said:
    mickeyrat said:
    oftenreading said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    ecdanc said:
    dignin said:
    ecdanc said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    i have read what was written. no point was missed. people here need to come to the realization that just because I disagree with you, doesn't mean a point was missed, or, as dignin so elegantly put it, as usual, is "fucking weak". 
    So you didn’t miss the part where I explained that gender expression starts around 3 years old? 
    I remember you pointing that out. As a father of two boys, one who just turned 3 a few months ago, this sounds about right. Also lines up with all my family and friends experiences who have kids around a similar age.
    So most kids will be expressing their gender well before they encounter the roving gangs of cruel five-year-olds. 
    first, the 5 year old thing was talking about identity, not bullying. but that doesn't match up with the attempt at clever quips. 

    second, i guess we can tell all those people out there transitioning at age 17, 22, 35, 47, and 69, that they are well behind the curve of modern 3 year olds. 

    I think this and similar posts show a lack of understanding of what ecdanc is proposing. He's not talking about raising the child in a gender neutral fashion forever, just until the child starts to express/generate their own gender identity, at which point they will raise the child congruent with that gender (presumably while trying to avoid gender stereotypes). All the talk about the child or its little compatriots being "confused" by the lack of gender expectations misses the point, which is that infants and toddlers and preschoolers generally aren't confused by this, or more precisely, they are as confused by this as they are by pretty much everything else, because it's all new and they are just trying to absorb it all. There isn't really any bullying at this age, at least for anything other than "I want that toy so I'm going to take it". By the time the kids reach the age where bullying about perceived differences starts, the child will be expressing their gender identity already. 

    Those people of 17, 22, 35 or 69 that you're using as examples - they're exactly the ones that would have benefited from this approach. They wouldn't have had to struggle for years or decades with incongruencies between their assigned gender and the gender they perceive themselves to be. 
    you my friend are a far better advocate for these and other issues....

    I feel spoken to. Engaged with.

    Not spoken at.

    thank you.
    And he actually read my posts! (username checks out)

    Thanks, oftenreading. 
    Are you this defensive about your general lack of clarity in a classroom setting as well? This has nothing to do with the reading audience, which hasn't changed, and everything to do with the author. 
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  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    benjs said:
    ecdanc said:
    mickeyrat said:
    oftenreading said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    ecdanc said:
    dignin said:
    ecdanc said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    i have read what was written. no point was missed. people here need to come to the realization that just because I disagree with you, doesn't mean a point was missed, or, as dignin so elegantly put it, as usual, is "fucking weak". 
    So you didn’t miss the part where I explained that gender expression starts around 3 years old? 
    I remember you pointing that out. As a father of two boys, one who just turned 3 a few months ago, this sounds about right. Also lines up with all my family and friends experiences who have kids around a similar age.
    So most kids will be expressing their gender well before they encounter the roving gangs of cruel five-year-olds. 
    first, the 5 year old thing was talking about identity, not bullying. but that doesn't match up with the attempt at clever quips. 

    second, i guess we can tell all those people out there transitioning at age 17, 22, 35, 47, and 69, that they are well behind the curve of modern 3 year olds. 

    I think this and similar posts show a lack of understanding of what ecdanc is proposing. He's not talking about raising the child in a gender neutral fashion forever, just until the child starts to express/generate their own gender identity, at which point they will raise the child congruent with that gender (presumably while trying to avoid gender stereotypes). All the talk about the child or its little compatriots being "confused" by the lack of gender expectations misses the point, which is that infants and toddlers and preschoolers generally aren't confused by this, or more precisely, they are as confused by this as they are by pretty much everything else, because it's all new and they are just trying to absorb it all. There isn't really any bullying at this age, at least for anything other than "I want that toy so I'm going to take it". By the time the kids reach the age where bullying about perceived differences starts, the child will be expressing their gender identity already. 

    Those people of 17, 22, 35 or 69 that you're using as examples - they're exactly the ones that would have benefited from this approach. They wouldn't have had to struggle for years or decades with incongruencies between their assigned gender and the gender they perceive themselves to be. 
    you my friend are a far better advocate for these and other issues....

    I feel spoken to. Engaged with.

    Not spoken at.

    thank you.
    And he actually read my posts! (username checks out)

    Thanks, oftenreading. 
    Are you this defensive about your general lack of clarity in a classroom setting as well? This has nothing to do with the reading audience, which hasn't changed, and everything to do with the author. 
    Dude, fourteen pages ago I said "we're not expecting P to stay gender neutral forever. We're waiting for them to express their gender identity." Was that unclear?
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    ecdanc said:
    benjs said:
    ecdanc said:
    mickeyrat said:
    oftenreading said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    ecdanc said:
    dignin said:
    ecdanc said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    i have read what was written. no point was missed. people here need to come to the realization that just because I disagree with you, doesn't mean a point was missed, or, as dignin so elegantly put it, as usual, is "fucking weak". 
    So you didn’t miss the part where I explained that gender expression starts around 3 years old? 
    I remember you pointing that out. As a father of two boys, one who just turned 3 a few months ago, this sounds about right. Also lines up with all my family and friends experiences who have kids around a similar age.
    So most kids will be expressing their gender well before they encounter the roving gangs of cruel five-year-olds. 
    first, the 5 year old thing was talking about identity, not bullying. but that doesn't match up with the attempt at clever quips. 

    second, i guess we can tell all those people out there transitioning at age 17, 22, 35, 47, and 69, that they are well behind the curve of modern 3 year olds. 

    I think this and similar posts show a lack of understanding of what ecdanc is proposing. He's not talking about raising the child in a gender neutral fashion forever, just until the child starts to express/generate their own gender identity, at which point they will raise the child congruent with that gender (presumably while trying to avoid gender stereotypes). All the talk about the child or its little compatriots being "confused" by the lack of gender expectations misses the point, which is that infants and toddlers and preschoolers generally aren't confused by this, or more precisely, they are as confused by this as they are by pretty much everything else, because it's all new and they are just trying to absorb it all. There isn't really any bullying at this age, at least for anything other than "I want that toy so I'm going to take it". By the time the kids reach the age where bullying about perceived differences starts, the child will be expressing their gender identity already. 

    Those people of 17, 22, 35 or 69 that you're using as examples - they're exactly the ones that would have benefited from this approach. They wouldn't have had to struggle for years or decades with incongruencies between their assigned gender and the gender they perceive themselves to be. 
    you my friend are a far better advocate for these and other issues....

    I feel spoken to. Engaged with.

    Not spoken at.

    thank you.
    And he actually read my posts! (username checks out)

    Thanks, oftenreading. 
    Are you this defensive about your general lack of clarity in a classroom setting as well? This has nothing to do with the reading audience, which hasn't changed, and everything to do with the author. 
    Dude, fourteen pages ago I said "we're not expecting P to stay gender neutral forever. We're waiting for them to express their gender identity." Was that unclear?
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    edited February 2020

    I think some people take this toddler gender business way too seriously.  Some parents give their boys toy trucks to play with and girls dolls (I'm a guy and as an infant, I had both)- so what?  Some do the opposite.  So what?  I know a woman who lived next door to a famous drummer who has a son who wanted to wear a pink dress to school the first day he ever went to school.  So what? (I though that was funny as hell- cute!)   They are infants.  They don't give two shits about this stuff.  Jesus, just let them be kids.
    Post edited by brianlux on
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    -Roberto Benigni

  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    brianlux said:

    I think some of y'all take this toddler gender business way too seriously.  Some parents give their boys toy trucks to play with and girls dolls (I'm a guy and as an infant, I had both)- so what?  Some do the opposite.  So what?  I know a woman who lived next door to a famous drummer who has a son who wanted to wear a pink dress to school the first day he ever went to school.  So what? (I though that was funny as hell- cute!)   They are infants.  They don't give two shits about this stuff.  Jesus, just let them be kids.
    You have a full list of the child-rearing issues we should take seriously and those we shouldn’t?
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    brianlux said:

    I think some of y'all take this toddler gender business way too seriously.  Some parents give their boys toy trucks to play with and girls dolls (I'm a guy and as an infant, I had both)- so what?  Some do the opposite.  So what?  I know a woman who lived next door to a famous drummer who has a son who wanted to wear a pink dress to school the first day he ever went to school.  So what? (I though that was funny as hell- cute!)   They are infants.  They don't give two shits about this stuff.  Jesus, just let them be kids.
    Who do you think is taking it too seriously?

    The way I see it, the parents being neutral and raising their kids with no pressure to be one or the other are being less serious. Is that how you feel?
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    dignin said:
    brianlux said:

    I think some of y'all take this toddler gender business way too seriously.  Some parents give their boys toy trucks to play with and girls dolls (I'm a guy and as an infant, I had both)- so what?  Some do the opposite.  So what?  I know a woman who lived next door to a famous drummer who has a son who wanted to wear a pink dress to school the first day he ever went to school.  So what? (I though that was funny as hell- cute!)   They are infants.  They don't give two shits about this stuff.  Jesus, just let them be kids.
    Who do you think is taking it too seriously?

    The way I see it, the parents being neutral and raising their kids with no pressure to be one or the other are being less serious. Is that how you feel?
    What do you mean by “the parents being neutral....”. The ones using “they” or just the ones willing to go with the flow and have their child ply with whatever they want, etc?
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:

    I think some of y'all take this toddler gender business way too seriously.  Some parents give their boys toy trucks to play with and girls dolls (I'm a guy and as an infant, I had both)- so what?  Some do the opposite.  So what?  I know a woman who lived next door to a famous drummer who has a son who wanted to wear a pink dress to school the first day he ever went to school.  So what? (I though that was funny as hell- cute!)   They are infants.  They don't give two shits about this stuff.  Jesus, just let them be kids.
    You have a full list of the child-rearing issues we should take seriously and those we shouldn’t?

    For infants, take seriously:
    Loving them
    Good nutrition
    Safe and clean environment
    The health of the planet (they will inherit this ailing earth)

    For infants, don't take serious:
    Gender issues.  Infants don't give two shits about gender issues.

    dignin said:
    brianlux said:

    I think some of y'all take this toddler gender business way too seriously.  Some parents give their boys toy trucks to play with and girls dolls (I'm a guy and as an infant, I had both)- so what?  Some do the opposite.  So what?  I know a woman who lived next door to a famous drummer who has a son who wanted to wear a pink dress to school the first day he ever went to school.  So what? (I though that was funny as hell- cute!)   They are infants.  They don't give two shits about this stuff.  Jesus, just let them be kids.
    Who do you think is taking it too seriously?

    The way I see it, the parents being neutral and raising their kids with no pressure to be one or the other are being less serious. Is that how you feel?

    I'm only going to talk about the subject.  Not in a hurry to get banned.

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    I changed it to "some people" so no one will think I'm talking about YOU.  I'm not. 

    This whole thread occupies way more space than I would really think is justifiable in a world with so many more pressing issues... like, your planet if being fucked and your kids will have to deal with that!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    brianlux said:
    I changed it to "some people" so no one will think I'm talking about YOU.  I'm not. 

    This whole thread occupies way more space than I would really think is justifiable in a world with so many more pressing issues... like, your planet if being fucked and your kids will have to deal with that!
    This is a terrible take. 
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    brianlux said:
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:

    I think some of y'all take this toddler gender business way too seriously.  Some parents give their boys toy trucks to play with and girls dolls (I'm a guy and as an infant, I had both)- so what?  Some do the opposite.  So what?  I know a woman who lived next door to a famous drummer who has a son who wanted to wear a pink dress to school the first day he ever went to school.  So what? (I though that was funny as hell- cute!)   They are infants.  They don't give two shits about this stuff.  Jesus, just let them be kids.
    You have a full list of the child-rearing issues we should take seriously and those we shouldn’t?

    For infants, take seriously:
    Loving them
    Good nutrition
    Safe and clean environment
    The health of the planet (they will inherit this ailing earth)

    For infants, don't take serious:
    Gender issues.  Infants don't give two shits about gender issues.

    dignin said:
    brianlux said:

    I think some of y'all take this toddler gender business way too seriously.  Some parents give their boys toy trucks to play with and girls dolls (I'm a guy and as an infant, I had both)- so what?  Some do the opposite.  So what?  I know a woman who lived next door to a famous drummer who has a son who wanted to wear a pink dress to school the first day he ever went to school.  So what? (I though that was funny as hell- cute!)   They are infants.  They don't give two shits about this stuff.  Jesus, just let them be kids.
    Who do you think is taking it too seriously?

    The way I see it, the parents being neutral and raising their kids with no pressure to be one or the other are being less serious. Is that how you feel?

    I'm only going to talk about the subject.  Not in a hurry to get banned.

    My infant also seems uninterested in climate change. What am I doing wrong?
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:
    I changed it to "some people" so no one will think I'm talking about YOU.  I'm not. 

    This whole thread occupies way more space than I would really think is justifiable in a world with so many more pressing issues... like, your planet if being fucked and your kids will have to deal with that!
    This is a terrible take. 

    I know it's a big issue for you.  Sorry if my words offend!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:

    I think some of y'all take this toddler gender business way too seriously.  Some parents give their boys toy trucks to play with and girls dolls (I'm a guy and as an infant, I had both)- so what?  Some do the opposite.  So what?  I know a woman who lived next door to a famous drummer who has a son who wanted to wear a pink dress to school the first day he ever went to school.  So what? (I though that was funny as hell- cute!)   They are infants.  They don't give two shits about this stuff.  Jesus, just let them be kids.
    You have a full list of the child-rearing issues we should take seriously and those we shouldn’t?

    For infants, take seriously:
    Loving them
    Good nutrition
    Safe and clean environment
    The health of the planet (they will inherit this ailing earth)

    For infants, don't take serious:
    Gender issues.  Infants don't give two shits about gender issues.

    dignin said:
    brianlux said:

    I think some of y'all take this toddler gender business way too seriously.  Some parents give their boys toy trucks to play with and girls dolls (I'm a guy and as an infant, I had both)- so what?  Some do the opposite.  So what?  I know a woman who lived next door to a famous drummer who has a son who wanted to wear a pink dress to school the first day he ever went to school.  So what? (I though that was funny as hell- cute!)   They are infants.  They don't give two shits about this stuff.  Jesus, just let them be kids.
    Who do you think is taking it too seriously?

    The way I see it, the parents being neutral and raising their kids with no pressure to be one or the other are being less serious. Is that how you feel?

    I'm only going to talk about the subject.  Not in a hurry to get banned.

    My infant also seems uninterested in climate change. What am I doing wrong?

    Your infant will inherit the earth.  It's you who would do well to be concerned about the planet.  It's yours and my responsibility to do what we can to help lesson our negative impact on environment for their sake.  And  I never even reproduced, so you parents especially might want to be concerned about the state of the planet. 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    brianlux said:
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:

    I think some of y'all take this toddler gender business way too seriously.  Some parents give their boys toy trucks to play with and girls dolls (I'm a guy and as an infant, I had both)- so what?  Some do the opposite.  So what?  I know a woman who lived next door to a famous drummer who has a son who wanted to wear a pink dress to school the first day he ever went to school.  So what? (I though that was funny as hell- cute!)   They are infants.  They don't give two shits about this stuff.  Jesus, just let them be kids.
    You have a full list of the child-rearing issues we should take seriously and those we shouldn’t?

    For infants, take seriously:
    Loving them
    Good nutrition
    Safe and clean environment
    The health of the planet (they will inherit this ailing earth)

    For infants, don't take serious:
    Gender issues.  Infants don't give two shits about gender issues.

    dignin said:
    brianlux said:

    I think some of y'all take this toddler gender business way too seriously.  Some parents give their boys toy trucks to play with and girls dolls (I'm a guy and as an infant, I had both)- so what?  Some do the opposite.  So what?  I know a woman who lived next door to a famous drummer who has a son who wanted to wear a pink dress to school the first day he ever went to school.  So what? (I though that was funny as hell- cute!)   They are infants.  They don't give two shits about this stuff.  Jesus, just let them be kids.
    Who do you think is taking it too seriously?

    The way I see it, the parents being neutral and raising their kids with no pressure to be one or the other are being less serious. Is that how you feel?

    I'm only going to talk about the subject.  Not in a hurry to get banned.

    My infant also seems uninterested in climate change. What am I doing wrong?

    Your infant will inherit the earth.  It's you who would do well to be concerned about the planet.  It's yours and my responsibility to do what we can to help lesson our negative impact on environment for their sake.  And  I never even reproduced, so you parents especially might want to be concerned about the state of the planet. 
    Oh, I am concerned. Terrified, in fact. Just can’t seem to get P to care. I tell them about climate change and they just say “ba, ba, grrrrrr.” Since I’m only supposed to focus on the things they give a shit about right now, I’m in a bind. Please advise. 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    edited February 2020
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:

    I think some of y'all take this toddler gender business way too seriously.  Some parents give their boys toy trucks to play with and girls dolls (I'm a guy and as an infant, I had both)- so what?  Some do the opposite.  So what?  I know a woman who lived next door to a famous drummer who has a son who wanted to wear a pink dress to school the first day he ever went to school.  So what? (I though that was funny as hell- cute!)   They are infants.  They don't give two shits about this stuff.  Jesus, just let them be kids.
    You have a full list of the child-rearing issues we should take seriously and those we shouldn’t?

    For infants, take seriously:
    Loving them
    Good nutrition
    Safe and clean environment
    The health of the planet (they will inherit this ailing earth)

    For infants, don't take serious:
    Gender issues.  Infants don't give two shits about gender issues.

    dignin said:
    brianlux said:

    I think some of y'all take this toddler gender business way too seriously.  Some parents give their boys toy trucks to play with and girls dolls (I'm a guy and as an infant, I had both)- so what?  Some do the opposite.  So what?  I know a woman who lived next door to a famous drummer who has a son who wanted to wear a pink dress to school the first day he ever went to school.  So what? (I though that was funny as hell- cute!)   They are infants.  They don't give two shits about this stuff.  Jesus, just let them be kids.
    Who do you think is taking it too seriously?

    The way I see it, the parents being neutral and raising their kids with no pressure to be one or the other are being less serious. Is that how you feel?

    I'm only going to talk about the subject.  Not in a hurry to get banned.

    My infant also seems uninterested in climate change. What am I doing wrong?

    Your infant will inherit the earth.  It's you who would do well to be concerned about the planet.  It's yours and my responsibility to do what we can to help lesson our negative impact on environment for their sake.  And  I never even reproduced, so you parents especially might want to be concerned about the state of the planet. 
    Oh, I am concerned. Terrified, in fact. Just can’t seem to get P to care. I tell them about climate change and they just say “ba, ba, grrrrrr.” Since I’m only supposed to focus on the things they give a shit about right now, I’m in a bind. Please advise. 

    I'm very concerned and this place give me good reason to be concerned.  I'm fairly certain this is a forum on which people are generally more environmentally concerned than the average person posting on the internet.  And yet, even here, look at the concern level of climate change compared to gender issue:

    All Thing Transgender Related thread:
    Amount of time it has been on AMT: Less than one month.
    Number of responses: 876

    The all-purpose, heavy duty Global Warming/ Climate Change thread:
    Amount of time it has been on AMT: 8 months
    Number of responses:  226

    Yeah, that concerns me very, very much.



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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    cincybearcat said:
    dignin said:
    brianlux said:

    I think some of y'all take this toddler gender business way too seriously.  Some parents give their boys toy trucks to play with and girls dolls (I'm a guy and as an infant, I had both)- so what?  Some do the opposite.  So what?  I know a woman who lived next door to a famous drummer who has a son who wanted to wear a pink dress to school the first day he ever went to school.  So what? (I though that was funny as hell- cute!)   They are infants.  They don't give two shits about this stuff.  Jesus, just let them be kids.
    Who do you think is taking it too seriously?

    The way I see it, the parents being neutral and raising their kids with no pressure to be one or the other are being less serious. Is that how you feel?
    What do you mean by “the parents being neutral....”. The ones using “they” or just the ones willing to go with the flow and have their child ply with whatever they want, etc?
    Both.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    People have different priorities. One can’t expect the same level of concern from everyone on certain subjects or consider one more or less important. 

    Despite (or because of?) the bickering, I’ve found this to be quite an interesting and informative thread. 
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    brianlux said:
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:

    I think some of y'all take this toddler gender business way too seriously.  Some parents give their boys toy trucks to play with and girls dolls (I'm a guy and as an infant, I had both)- so what?  Some do the opposite.  So what?  I know a woman who lived next door to a famous drummer who has a son who wanted to wear a pink dress to school the first day he ever went to school.  So what? (I though that was funny as hell- cute!)   They are infants.  They don't give two shits about this stuff.  Jesus, just let them be kids.
    You have a full list of the child-rearing issues we should take seriously and those we shouldn’t?

    For infants, take seriously:
    Loving them
    Good nutrition
    Safe and clean environment
    The health of the planet (they will inherit this ailing earth)

    For infants, don't take serious:
    Gender issues.  Infants don't give two shits about gender issues.

    dignin said:
    brianlux said:

    I think some of y'all take this toddler gender business way too seriously.  Some parents give their boys toy trucks to play with and girls dolls (I'm a guy and as an infant, I had both)- so what?  Some do the opposite.  So what?  I know a woman who lived next door to a famous drummer who has a son who wanted to wear a pink dress to school the first day he ever went to school.  So what? (I though that was funny as hell- cute!)   They are infants.  They don't give two shits about this stuff.  Jesus, just let them be kids.
    Who do you think is taking it too seriously?

    The way I see it, the parents being neutral and raising their kids with no pressure to be one or the other are being less serious. Is that how you feel?

    I'm only going to talk about the subject.  Not in a hurry to get banned.

    My infant also seems uninterested in climate change. What am I doing wrong?

    Your infant will inherit the earth.  It's you who would do well to be concerned about the planet.  It's yours and my responsibility to do what we can to help lesson our negative impact on environment for their sake.  And  I never even reproduced, so you parents especially might want to be concerned about the state of the planet. 
    Oh, I am concerned. Terrified, in fact. Just can’t seem to get P to care. I tell them about climate change and they just say “ba, ba, grrrrrr.” Since I’m only supposed to focus on the things they give a shit about right now, I’m in a bind. Please advise. 

    I'm very concerned and this place give me good reason to be concerned.  I'm fairly certain this is a forum on which people are generally more environmentally concerned than the average person posting on the internet.  And yet, even here, look at the concern level of climate change compared to gender issue:

    All Thing Transgender Related thread:
    Amount of time it has been on AMT: Less than one month.
    Number of responses: 876

    The all-purpose, heavy duty Global Warming/ Climate Change thread:
    Amount of time it has been on AMT: 8 months
    Number of responses:  226

    Yeah, that concerns me very, very much.



    How many of those 226 posts are from people who don’t think climate change is a problem?

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