The Democratic Presidential Debates
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huge money in travel, lodging, food for the hoarde , fuel taxes for the busses and other vehicles for those early states. they will fight tooth and nail for status quo.pjl44 said:
I don't know why every state doesn't hold their primary/caucus on the same day. Or why this winds up being an almost 2 year process. Want to get money out of politics? Start by drastically slimming down the unnecessary pageantry.mrussel1 said:The whole Iowa thing is just odd to me. It's really just a perception thing. Super Tuesday just seems so much more important.
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Are you guys working on your legal theories? You should hurry because communist implementation is going swimmingly thus far.ecdanc said:
Not yet. But we do look at your “western” legal tradition as a buncha bullshit.mrussel1 said:
Um no, common law, passed on through the centuries of western legal precedent. Do you commies have your own legal system too?ecdanc said:
Oh, your capitalist laws say something! Zing?mrussel1 said:
Oh wait, so even though intellectual property is considered a tangible asset legally (you know, like capital), you call it "labor"? Ha! That's rich.ecdanc said:
I literally don’t know what the fuck y’all are talking about. Please point me to the post where I said anything about intellectual labor.mrussel1 said:
His reading ability is fine and his question exposes the gap in a 19th century book applied to a 21st century economy. The lines between proletariat and bourgeoisie have blurred. You continue to be cagey on the topic but that's simply because good answers don't exist.ecdanc said:
I’m not challenging any assumptions; just your reading ability, I this case.cincybearcat said:
Don’t be all name calley, I ain’t in your class you can’t tell me that your assumptions are truth and I’ll fail if I go against those assumptions.ecdanc said:
Don’t be dopey. I said capital =/= work. Never said anything about intellectual labor.cincybearcat said:
I just did.ecdanc said:
That would be weird. Let me know if you see a professor doing that.cincybearcat said:
It seems weird for a professor to minimize intellectual property/effort. Isn’t that what teaching is? I for one think that has value.mrussel1 said:
You put zero value in the idea and the work that went into starting the factory. If one received zero for such things, what's the point of having an idea, and how do humans advance? Again, you can look at Soviet era technological advancements compared to the US. We don't need theories when we have results.ecdanc said:
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And whenever you want to debate communist legal system vs English common law, let's get it on. That will be even more c comical than this debate.0
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Given that we're having this conversation on a thread largely predicated on unseating the president we all think is doing some really fucked up shit, I'm not sure you can talk. Glass houses and all.mrussel1 said:
Are you guys working on your legal theories? You should hurry because communist implementation is going swimmingly thus far.ecdanc said:
Not yet. But we do look at your “western” legal tradition as a buncha bullshit.mrussel1 said:
Um no, common law, passed on through the centuries of western legal precedent. Do you commies have your own legal system too?ecdanc said:
Oh, your capitalist laws say something! Zing?mrussel1 said:
Oh wait, so even though intellectual property is considered a tangible asset legally (you know, like capital), you call it "labor"? Ha! That's rich.ecdanc said:
I literally don’t know what the fuck y’all are talking about. Please point me to the post where I said anything about intellectual labor.mrussel1 said:
His reading ability is fine and his question exposes the gap in a 19th century book applied to a 21st century economy. The lines between proletariat and bourgeoisie have blurred. You continue to be cagey on the topic but that's simply because good answers don't exist.ecdanc said:
I’m not challenging any assumptions; just your reading ability, I this case.cincybearcat said:
Don’t be all name calley, I ain’t in your class you can’t tell me that your assumptions are truth and I’ll fail if I go against those assumptions.ecdanc said:
Don’t be dopey. I said capital =/= work. Never said anything about intellectual labor.cincybearcat said:
I just did.ecdanc said:
That would be weird. Let me know if you see a professor doing that.cincybearcat said:
It seems weird for a professor to minimize intellectual property/effort. Isn’t that what teaching is? I for one think that has value.mrussel1 said:
You put zero value in the idea and the work that went into starting the factory. If one received zero for such things, what's the point of having an idea, and how do humans advance? Again, you can look at Soviet era technological advancements compared to the US. We don't need theories when we have results.ecdanc said:
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Nope, but I do have a creditors rights background but that's different. So if you want to have that conversation, I'm game. Obviously you're really smart, and I'm stupid so it should be easy for you.ecdanc said:
Oh, are these areas in which you had some college classes too?mrussel1 said:And whenever you want to debate communist legal system vs English common law, let's get it on. That will be even more c comical than this debate.0 -
There's easier ways to say "uncle".ecdanc said:
Given that we're having this conversation on a thread largely predicated on unseating the president we all think is doing some really fucked up shit, I'm not sure you can talk. Glass houses and all.mrussel1 said:
Are you guys working on your legal theories? You should hurry because communist implementation is going swimmingly thus far.ecdanc said:
Not yet. But we do look at your “western” legal tradition as a buncha bullshit.mrussel1 said:
Um no, common law, passed on through the centuries of western legal precedent. Do you commies have your own legal system too?ecdanc said:
Oh, your capitalist laws say something! Zing?mrussel1 said:
Oh wait, so even though intellectual property is considered a tangible asset legally (you know, like capital), you call it "labor"? Ha! That's rich.ecdanc said:
I literally don’t know what the fuck y’all are talking about. Please point me to the post where I said anything about intellectual labor.mrussel1 said:
His reading ability is fine and his question exposes the gap in a 19th century book applied to a 21st century economy. The lines between proletariat and bourgeoisie have blurred. You continue to be cagey on the topic but that's simply because good answers don't exist.ecdanc said:
I’m not challenging any assumptions; just your reading ability, I this case.cincybearcat said:
Don’t be all name calley, I ain’t in your class you can’t tell me that your assumptions are truth and I’ll fail if I go against those assumptions.ecdanc said:
Don’t be dopey. I said capital =/= work. Never said anything about intellectual labor.cincybearcat said:
I just did.ecdanc said:
That would be weird. Let me know if you see a professor doing that.cincybearcat said:
It seems weird for a professor to minimize intellectual property/effort. Isn’t that what teaching is? I for one think that has value.mrussel1 said:
You put zero value in the idea and the work that went into starting the factory. If one received zero for such things, what's the point of having an idea, and how do humans advance? Again, you can look at Soviet era technological advancements compared to the US. We don't need theories when we have results.ecdanc said:
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Donald Trump is your uncle?!? So much makes sense now.mrussel1 said:
There's easier ways to say "uncle".ecdanc said:
Given that we're having this conversation on a thread largely predicated on unseating the president we all think is doing some really fucked up shit, I'm not sure you can talk. Glass houses and all.mrussel1 said:
Are you guys working on your legal theories? You should hurry because communist implementation is going swimmingly thus far.ecdanc said:
Not yet. But we do look at your “western” legal tradition as a buncha bullshit.mrussel1 said:
Um no, common law, passed on through the centuries of western legal precedent. Do you commies have your own legal system too?ecdanc said:
Oh, your capitalist laws say something! Zing?mrussel1 said:
Oh wait, so even though intellectual property is considered a tangible asset legally (you know, like capital), you call it "labor"? Ha! That's rich.ecdanc said:
I literally don’t know what the fuck y’all are talking about. Please point me to the post where I said anything about intellectual labor.mrussel1 said:
His reading ability is fine and his question exposes the gap in a 19th century book applied to a 21st century economy. The lines between proletariat and bourgeoisie have blurred. You continue to be cagey on the topic but that's simply because good answers don't exist.ecdanc said:
I’m not challenging any assumptions; just your reading ability, I this case.cincybearcat said:
Don’t be all name calley, I ain’t in your class you can’t tell me that your assumptions are truth and I’ll fail if I go against those assumptions.ecdanc said:
Don’t be dopey. I said capital =/= work. Never said anything about intellectual labor.cincybearcat said:
I just did.ecdanc said:
That would be weird. Let me know if you see a professor doing that.cincybearcat said:
It seems weird for a professor to minimize intellectual property/effort. Isn’t that what teaching is? I for one think that has value.mrussel1 said:
You put zero value in the idea and the work that went into starting the factory. If one received zero for such things, what's the point of having an idea, and how do humans advance? Again, you can look at Soviet era technological advancements compared to the US. We don't need theories when we have results.ecdanc said:
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But you’re like the CEO of google or something.mrussel1 said:
Nope, but I do have a creditors rights background but that's different. So if you want to have that conversation, I'm game. Obviously you're really smart, and I'm stupid so it should be easy for you.ecdanc said:
Oh, are these areas in which you had some college classes too?mrussel1 said:And whenever you want to debate communist legal system vs English common law, let's get it on. That will be even more c comical than this debate.0 -
I think your intellectual tank is empty on this topic.ecdanc said:
Donald Trump is your uncle?!? So much makes sense now.mrussel1 said:
There's easier ways to say "uncle".ecdanc said:
Given that we're having this conversation on a thread largely predicated on unseating the president we all think is doing some really fucked up shit, I'm not sure you can talk. Glass houses and all.mrussel1 said:
Are you guys working on your legal theories? You should hurry because communist implementation is going swimmingly thus far.ecdanc said:
Not yet. But we do look at your “western” legal tradition as a buncha bullshit.mrussel1 said:
Um no, common law, passed on through the centuries of western legal precedent. Do you commies have your own legal system too?ecdanc said:
Oh, your capitalist laws say something! Zing?mrussel1 said:
Oh wait, so even though intellectual property is considered a tangible asset legally (you know, like capital), you call it "labor"? Ha! That's rich.ecdanc said:
I literally don’t know what the fuck y’all are talking about. Please point me to the post where I said anything about intellectual labor.mrussel1 said:
His reading ability is fine and his question exposes the gap in a 19th century book applied to a 21st century economy. The lines between proletariat and bourgeoisie have blurred. You continue to be cagey on the topic but that's simply because good answers don't exist.ecdanc said:
I’m not challenging any assumptions; just your reading ability, I this case.cincybearcat said:
Don’t be all name calley, I ain’t in your class you can’t tell me that your assumptions are truth and I’ll fail if I go against those assumptions.ecdanc said:
Don’t be dopey. I said capital =/= work. Never said anything about intellectual labor.cincybearcat said:
I just did.ecdanc said:
That would be weird. Let me know if you see a professor doing that.cincybearcat said:
It seems weird for a professor to minimize intellectual property/effort. Isn’t that what teaching is? I for one think that has value.mrussel1 said:
You put zero value in the idea and the work that went into starting the factory. If one received zero for such things, what's the point of having an idea, and how do humans advance? Again, you can look at Soviet era technological advancements compared to the US. We don't need theories when we have results.ecdanc said:
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You’re probably right. And I’m drunk. What’s the topic?mrussel1 said:
I think your intellectual tank is empty on this topic.ecdanc said:
Donald Trump is your uncle?!? So much makes sense now.mrussel1 said:
There's easier ways to say "uncle".ecdanc said:
Given that we're having this conversation on a thread largely predicated on unseating the president we all think is doing some really fucked up shit, I'm not sure you can talk. Glass houses and all.mrussel1 said:
Are you guys working on your legal theories? You should hurry because communist implementation is going swimmingly thus far.ecdanc said:
Not yet. But we do look at your “western” legal tradition as a buncha bullshit.mrussel1 said:
Um no, common law, passed on through the centuries of western legal precedent. Do you commies have your own legal system too?ecdanc said:
Oh, your capitalist laws say something! Zing?mrussel1 said:
Oh wait, so even though intellectual property is considered a tangible asset legally (you know, like capital), you call it "labor"? Ha! That's rich.ecdanc said:
I literally don’t know what the fuck y’all are talking about. Please point me to the post where I said anything about intellectual labor.mrussel1 said:
His reading ability is fine and his question exposes the gap in a 19th century book applied to a 21st century economy. The lines between proletariat and bourgeoisie have blurred. You continue to be cagey on the topic but that's simply because good answers don't exist.ecdanc said:
I’m not challenging any assumptions; just your reading ability, I this case.cincybearcat said:
Don’t be all name calley, I ain’t in your class you can’t tell me that your assumptions are truth and I’ll fail if I go against those assumptions.ecdanc said:
Don’t be dopey. I said capital =/= work. Never said anything about intellectual labor.cincybearcat said:
I just did.ecdanc said:
That would be weird. Let me know if you see a professor doing that.cincybearcat said:
It seems weird for a professor to minimize intellectual property/effort. Isn’t that what teaching is? I for one think that has value.mrussel1 said:
You put zero value in the idea and the work that went into starting the factory. If one received zero for such things, what's the point of having an idea, and how do humans advance? Again, you can look at Soviet era technological advancements compared to the US. We don't need theories when we have results.ecdanc said:
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Drinking stoli?ecdanc said:
You’re probably right. And I’m drunk. What’s the topic?mrussel1 said:
I think your intellectual tank is empty on this topic.ecdanc said:
Donald Trump is your uncle?!? So much makes sense now.mrussel1 said:
There's easier ways to say "uncle".ecdanc said:
Given that we're having this conversation on a thread largely predicated on unseating the president we all think is doing some really fucked up shit, I'm not sure you can talk. Glass houses and all.mrussel1 said:
Are you guys working on your legal theories? You should hurry because communist implementation is going swimmingly thus far.ecdanc said:
Not yet. But we do look at your “western” legal tradition as a buncha bullshit.mrussel1 said:
Um no, common law, passed on through the centuries of western legal precedent. Do you commies have your own legal system too?ecdanc said:
Oh, your capitalist laws say something! Zing?mrussel1 said:
Oh wait, so even though intellectual property is considered a tangible asset legally (you know, like capital), you call it "labor"? Ha! That's rich.ecdanc said:
I literally don’t know what the fuck y’all are talking about. Please point me to the post where I said anything about intellectual labor.mrussel1 said:
His reading ability is fine and his question exposes the gap in a 19th century book applied to a 21st century economy. The lines between proletariat and bourgeoisie have blurred. You continue to be cagey on the topic but that's simply because good answers don't exist.ecdanc said:
I’m not challenging any assumptions; just your reading ability, I this case.cincybearcat said:
Don’t be all name calley, I ain’t in your class you can’t tell me that your assumptions are truth and I’ll fail if I go against those assumptions.ecdanc said:
Don’t be dopey. I said capital =/= work. Never said anything about intellectual labor.cincybearcat said:
I just did.ecdanc said:
That would be weird. Let me know if you see a professor doing that.cincybearcat said:
It seems weird for a professor to minimize intellectual property/effort. Isn’t that what teaching is? I for one think that has value.mrussel1 said:
You put zero value in the idea and the work that went into starting the factory. If one received zero for such things, what's the point of having an idea, and how do humans advance? Again, you can look at Soviet era technological advancements compared to the US. We don't need theories when we have results.ecdanc said:
I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
mrussel1 said:
Is that the same as a piroshki? There used to be a Russina bakery on Clement St. in S.F. that made piroshkis that were OH SO GOOD!
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Smirnoff, but good call!!!mcgruff10 said:
Drinking stoli?ecdanc said:
You’re probably right. And I’m drunk. What’s the topic?mrussel1 said:
I think your intellectual tank is empty on this topic.ecdanc said:
Donald Trump is your uncle?!? So much makes sense now.mrussel1 said:
There's easier ways to say "uncle".ecdanc said:
Given that we're having this conversation on a thread largely predicated on unseating the president we all think is doing some really fucked up shit, I'm not sure you can talk. Glass houses and all.mrussel1 said:
Are you guys working on your legal theories? You should hurry because communist implementation is going swimmingly thus far.ecdanc said:
Not yet. But we do look at your “western” legal tradition as a buncha bullshit.mrussel1 said:
Um no, common law, passed on through the centuries of western legal precedent. Do you commies have your own legal system too?ecdanc said:
Oh, your capitalist laws say something! Zing?mrussel1 said:
Oh wait, so even though intellectual property is considered a tangible asset legally (you know, like capital), you call it "labor"? Ha! That's rich.ecdanc said:
I literally don’t know what the fuck y’all are talking about. Please point me to the post where I said anything about intellectual labor.mrussel1 said:
His reading ability is fine and his question exposes the gap in a 19th century book applied to a 21st century economy. The lines between proletariat and bourgeoisie have blurred. You continue to be cagey on the topic but that's simply because good answers don't exist.ecdanc said:
I’m not challenging any assumptions; just your reading ability, I this case.cincybearcat said:
Don’t be all name calley, I ain’t in your class you can’t tell me that your assumptions are truth and I’ll fail if I go against those assumptions.ecdanc said:
Don’t be dopey. I said capital =/= work. Never said anything about intellectual labor.cincybearcat said:
I just did.ecdanc said:
That would be weird. Let me know if you see a professor doing that.cincybearcat said:
It seems weird for a professor to minimize intellectual property/effort. Isn’t that what teaching is? I for one think that has value.mrussel1 said:
You put zero value in the idea and the work that went into starting the factory. If one received zero for such things, what's the point of having an idea, and how do humans advance? Again, you can look at Soviet era technological advancements compared to the US. We don't need theories when we have results.ecdanc said:
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brianlux said:mrussel1 said:
But Brian, I seem to recall you being against a minimum wage of $15 per hour because your business couldn't support it. These workers are above that number.brianlux said:ecdanc said:
They don't need to do that- they get plenty fucked already by low wages and poor working conditions. And they and most of us pay all the taxes while Bezos pays none and buys his islands!I'm like a Republican that way- I'm only against something except for when I'm not. LOL Let me explain:I am the sole employee of my small part-time book and vinyl business which nets me less than minimum wage but I enjoy it and, because I have no pension or any other form of retirement income except social security, it helps. So what I'm saying here will relate to the bookstore business my wife and her business partner own and for which I help out part-time at a little over minimum wage:I am in favor of a living wage for workers who rely on their work related income. In other words- a working person who relies on their paycheck to support themselves and/or a family, that person should earn at least a minimum wage in order to do so. But many small businesses- my wife's is a good example- rely on part-time help to stay afloat. The bookstore has had a number of employees who work their either to supplement their income post retirement (people who only get social security and need a little extra to get by) or students who want a little extra income before they go off into the world of full-time work. I think there should be an exception to minimum wage for businesses that hire part-time help for those folks. Some small businesses- used bookstores are an excellent example- run on a thin margin. Some years it gets really close to the wire trying to stay afloat. If the minimum wage right now were $15 for all employees- we would have to let someone go- not so that we could live the Bezos life- but so that we could keep the business going. And that store is a big asset to our community. I cannot tell you how many times I've head customers say, "I hope you never close, that would be terrible." I'm sure there are other small businesses like that. I can think of several used bookstores and record stores that have gone out of business due to high cost of running a small business that I sorely miss. To name a few:Chimeras Book, Palo AltoWessex Used Books, Menlo ParkSunset Books, San FranciscoThe Beat (record and CD store in Sacramento)Cody's Books, BerkeleyThe Book Worm, FolsomKepler's Books (actually still in business but only due to a very large donation)
This is one of those ideas that sounds reasonable on the surface but doesn't stand up to scrutiny, because it opens up the whole idea of employers being able to make a value judgement on who really "needs" to make minimum wage and who doesn't. It goes against the tenets of equal pay for work of equal value, and erodes workers' rights. I personally know one teenager who is the sole financial support for his whole family (parents and four siblings), while also attending high school part time, and two other teenagers who are essentially emancipated from their parents and work to support themselves and their own apartments. If there was a law in place allowing employers to not pay them minimum wage just because they are students, they would not be surviving. There are many, many other people in their positions, just trying to get by on an inadequate wage.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Probably. Little pasta pockets with filling. Usually potato, cheese, etc. You saute with onions. Mostly served with sour cream, but I like it with pepper only. Every Slavic country has some version. Staple of the Polish diet.brianlux said:0
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