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  • Posts: 1,814
    well said....

    I get that saying "there is only male and female" is probably incorrect.  I'm not a scientist so I just can't argue about it.
    No, no, no. Science has nothing to do with this. Science does not determine when and how you treat someone with decency. 
  • Posts: 1,814
    I apologize if that offended you, truly.  I think it is ridiculous in the sense that no one could possibly know what pronoun someone wants to be referred to as when we don't have it tattooed on our foreheads or wear some sort of sign/tag.  

    Ask?
  • ecdanc said:
    “This ... is ridiculous” does not sound like someone trying to understand. 
    I guess you missed the part where I admit to not getting it?


  • ecdanc said:
    Absolutely. The goal is to minimize—and eventually eliminate—their need to be forgiving (in this precise way). 
    For this to really happen wouldn't we have to get rid of the terms "his or her"?
  • Posts: 1,814
    I guess you missed the part where I admit to not getting it?


    Sorry. My bad. I quoted you to reinforce my point to Gern. I was unclear. 
  • Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,210
    ecdanc said:
    Ask?
    Isn't that like assuming a woman "when is your due date?" when she may have just put on a few lbs?

    Asking someone what their pronoun is makes no sense.  If I need to ask you in order for someone to avoid being offended then you need to just announce occasionally so that everyone knows.
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  • Posts: 31,479
    edited January 2020
    nvm. misread.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Posts: 1,814
    edited January 2020
    Isn't that like assuming a woman "when is your due date?" when she may have just put on a few lbs?

    Asking someone what their pronoun is makes no sense.  If I need to ask you in order for someone to avoid being offended then you need to just announce occasionally so that everyone knows.
    Edit: https://www.glaad.org/reference/transgender
  • ecdanc said:
    Ask?
    I'm full of questions here.

    I would think it might come off as rude if you asked?

    or is the wrong pronoun more egregious?

    or is it different case for different people?
  • Posts: 1,814
    I'm full of questions here.

    I would think it might come off as rude if you asked?

    or is the wrong pronoun more egregious?

    or is it different case for different people?
    See the link
  • Thank god you are so woke that you can try and put me down for not getting it when it comes so easy to you.

    Jesus I hate this fucking forum sometimes...
  • ecdanc said:
    See the link
    Will do TY!
  • Posts: 10,410
    I apologize if that offended you, truly.  I think it is ridiculous in the sense that no one could possibly know what pronoun someone wants to be referred to as when we don't have it tattooed on our foreheads or wear some sort of sign/tag.  

    I think the point ec is trying to advocate for (feel free to correct me ec as I may be way off) is that we discontinue using those pronouns which categorize based on our initial 1st impression of the person physically so that way it doesn't matter because the term would be ambigouos, unless clarified. I admit, it would take a lot of time for this concept to reach social and culture norm because it goes against every basic English language lesson we have ever been taught in regards to pronoun usage. On the other side of this though, I struggle with why it even matters that much? Both of my boys have had long hair most of their life (11 & 7) and have often been referred to as she or her when random people comment in conversation. Our youngest has the most beautiful long lashes to go with it so I'm sure it's easy to mistake him for a girl, but we simply correct them and move on. It's often the same old, "Oh, I'm sorry..." and we honestly don't care and laugh it off together. Now, does that have a long lasting impact on them psychologically? I don't know, but what we have taught them is that sometimes people stereotype based on certain physical characteristics and use their best judgment to assign what they believe to be the proper pronoun assessment (we explain that a little more kid friendly obviously). I have never seen it used to purposefully shame someone in my experiences, but if it were to happen, I would wager it would be other school age kids who can be the worst sometimes; however, I often feel that is a reflection of either their comfort level or what influence they have picked up from a parent or adult figure in their life.

    I think remaining open minded and being willing to listen to others preferences and experiences (aka, just being a decent person who cares about more than yourself) would alleviate negative connotations.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Posts: 31,479
    edited January 2020
    Thank god you are so woke that you can try and put me down for not getting it when it comes so easy to you.

    Jesus I hate this fucking forum sometimes...
    Don't mistake common sense for "woke". 

    But notice I removed my comment because I misread your comment because I was eating a juicy pear at the same time which took some focus from me.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,210
    Don't mistake common sense for "woke". 

    But notice I removed my comment because I misread your comment because I was eating a juicy pear at the same time which took some focus from me.
    That's offensive to non juicy pears
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • Don't mistake common sense for "woke". 

    But notice I removed my comment because I misread your comment because I was eating a juicy pear at the same time which took some focus from me.
    Again w the slight...  
  • That's offensive to non juicy pears
    non juicy pears can go to hell.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,426
    Don't mistake common sense for "woke". 

    But notice I removed my comment because I misread your comment because I was eating a juicy pear at the same time which took some focus from me.
    Who doesn't like a juicy pair
  • Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,210
    Who doesn't like a juicy pair
    well....
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • Seattle Posts: 7,177
    tbergs said: I admit, it would take a lot of time for this concept to reach social and culture norm because it goes against every basic English language lesson we have ever been taught in regards to pronoun usage. 
    This, for sure, will be a big blocker. It is for me. I've been speaking and studying the language for over 5.5 decades, and find using a plural pronoun when referencing an individual subject to be problematic. It is as nonsensical as saying irregardless. It simply doesn't make sense. A different or new pronoun would have likely been a better play. Anyway, I'm sure Professor Troll will now lecture me. Kids who spend their lives in the confines of academia and breath that rarefied air often seem to have inflated opinions about themselves and their intelligence. And they often expose themselves when they start interacting with people who live in the real world. This thread has demonstrated that. When Brian is accused of being a homophobe, and Matt is portrayed as unreasonable and/or uneducated we know we have a winner!

    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08

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