Fan-To-Fan Face Value Ticket Exchange

BennyLaRue said:

bbiggs said:

This process still seems to lack clarity on whether or not ONE individual ticket can be sold in the fan-to-fan exchange. Example:  I buy a pair for myself and concert buddy. Concert buddy bails, but I still want to attend the show. Ideally, I can sell that unused ticket that was supposed to be for my concert buddy (face value via TM fan to fan exchange). Has anyone confirmed that this is acceptable or not? And I have thoroughly read all of the rules. This is not spelled out. 

It's not clear yet. Worst case, you'd post on Lost Dogs and find a new buddy in minutes. Only issue would be meeting them outside the show as you'd have to walk in together.

Good point. Meeting up at the venue is a must though. Not complaining, but I think having the ability to sell one via TM fan to fan would have made a lot of sense for situations like I described in my original post. 

bbiggs said:

BennyLaRue said:

bbiggs said:

This process still seems to lack clarity on whether or not ONE individual ticket can be sold in the fan-to-fan exchange. Example:  I buy a pair for myself and concert buddy. Concert buddy bails, but I still want to attend the show. Ideally, I can sell that unused ticket that was supposed to be for my concert buddy (face value via TM fan to fan exchange). Has anyone confirmed that this is acceptable or not? And I have thoroughly read all of the rules. This is not spelled out. 

It's not clear yet. Worst case, you'd post on Lost Dogs and find a new buddy in minutes. Only issue would be meeting them outside the show as you'd have to walk in together.

Good point. Meeting up at the venue is a must though. Not complaining, but I think having the ability to sell one via TM fan to fan would have made a lot of sense for situations like I described in my original post. 

What happens when your plus 1 does not want to wait in the GA line all day and you do? Is that person just going to skip the line now and go to the front since we have to go together? 

PJNB said:

bbiggs said:

BennyLaRue said:

bbiggs said:

This process still seems to lack clarity on whether or not ONE individual ticket can be sold in the fan-to-fan exchange. Example:  I buy a pair for myself and concert buddy. Concert buddy bails, but I still want to attend the show. Ideally, I can sell that unused ticket that was supposed to be for my concert buddy (face value via TM fan to fan exchange). Has anyone confirmed that this is acceptable or not? And I have thoroughly read all of the rules. This is not spelled out. 

It's not clear yet. Worst case, you'd post on Lost Dogs and find a new buddy in minutes. Only issue would be meeting them outside the show as you'd have to walk in together.

Good point. Meeting up at the venue is a must though. Not complaining, but I think having the ability to sell one via TM fan to fan would have made a lot of sense for situations like I described in my original post. 

What happens when your plus 1 does not want to wait in the GA line all day and you do? Is that person just going to skip the line now and go to the front since we have to go together? 

Didn’t think of that. That has disaster written all over it. In all honesty, anyone I’m going to the show with isn’t going to bail, barring some major unforeseen event. You know the situation I described will happen though. I’m starting to agree with you that this may carry more negative than positive. 

PJNB said:

You guys that are ok with this system and know you are going to a show are not factoring in that now a lot more people are going to be hurting your GA or reserved odds without a care. In the past if people did not know (most did this) they were going to be able to make a show they did not put in for it and waited till they knew to find at ticket on the forum. Now they will put in and just sell the ticket not caring that they hurt the odds and chances of people that they knew 100% for sure that they were going. There is a lot good with the new system that they have in place but this is an awful choice imo. 

Oh, it's factored in. My counter-point would be that I'm not sure many people will be putting down many hundreds or even thousands of dollars to game the system in this way when their ability to make money off the strategy is basically nil. Sure, people will try but if Ten Club is diligent about voiding tickets posted for resale above face, this will be snuffed out.

And, apparently improving our odds, there are more tickets available to Ten Club member than ever before.

PJNB said:

bbiggs said:

BennyLaRue said:

bbiggs said:

This process still seems to lack clarity on whether or not ONE individual ticket can be sold in the fan-to-fan exchange. Example:  I buy a pair for myself and concert buddy. Concert buddy bails, but I still want to attend the show. Ideally, I can sell that unused ticket that was supposed to be for my concert buddy (face value via TM fan to fan exchange). Has anyone confirmed that this is acceptable or not? And I have thoroughly read all of the rules. This is not spelled out. 

It's not clear yet. Worst case, you'd post on Lost Dogs and find a new buddy in minutes. Only issue would be meeting them outside the show as you'd have to walk in together.

Good point. Meeting up at the venue is a must though. Not complaining, but I think having the ability to sell one via TM fan to fan would have made a lot of sense for situations like I described in my original post. 

What happens when your plus 1 does not want to wait in the GA line all day and you do? Is that person just going to skip the line now and go to the front since we have to go together? 

I mean that's the problem of the person seeking out a plus one. The trials and tribulations of the early GA liner uppers are not objective problems and I wouldn't want PJ making ticket policy decisions based on that.

PJNB said:

You guys that are ok with this system and know you are going to a show are not factoring in that now a lot more people are going to be hurting your GA or reserved odds without a care. In the past if people did not know (most did this) they were going to be able to make a show they did not put in for it and waited till they knew to find at ticket on the forum. Now they will put in and just sell the ticket not caring that they hurt the odds and chances of people that they knew 100% for sure that they were going. There is a lot good with the new system that they have in place but this is an awful choice imo. 

Except it's not like booking a hotel room with a free cancelation policy. You still have to pay the money upfront for these tickets and then find a buyer on this yet to be seen ticket exchange. Since the tickets aren't transferable (outside of NY and Den) there is still inherent risk in getting more tickets than you're prepared to use. I think the vague nature of the exchange system will be enough of a deterrent to protect against it. What if, for instance, the exchange is only 10c members? If the Res odds for the shows stay as high as they are, and most people get their requests fulfilled, the market on that exchange may not be what people think it is.

I think your real gripe is that more people will be putting GA because it doesn't hurt their overall odds. I had planned to do Res for both shows thinking it would give me a better chance in the old system. But with the new one, I can do Best Available and get GA if it's there without hurting my odds at Res. Works well for someone like me, doesn't work well for someone who is GA or bust and now has twice as large of a pool to compete with. 

Second hand info, but someone who listened to the Faithfull Forum said TM rep was on there and stated general public would have access to the exchange, not just 10C.

I didn't hear it, but go check that out if you're interested. 

pjl44 said:

Second hand info, but someone who listened to the Faithfull Forum said TM rep was on there and stated general public would have access to the exchange, not just 10C.

I didn't hear it, but go check that out if you're interested. 

That makes the most sense. Otherwise, if you need to sell and all Ten Clubbers have what they need, you're screwed. I know some people would prefer that Ten Club keep their exclusive access but the advantage provided by the lottery in the first place is pretty damn exclusive and good enough for me.

I think overall this could end up hurting ten club members. But will refrain from full judgement until we get details on the exchange.

Right now there is limited incentive to not put in for more than you need. This was NOT the case in 2018 or really going back the last number of years. Yes you aren’t going to be able to profit off hoarding tickets, but you aren’t going to be punished. And if you are relatively indifferent between two travel locations or are unsure if you will have $, sign off from significant other, etc the only thing stopping you from pursuing both is the cost of holding them for a period of time. 

I see a high sell through of initial inventory with tougher competition for tickets through the ten club lotto. Then there will be a high amount available through the fan 2 fan exchange. The problem is that we have no idea how that will work and I highly expect that it will not just be for 10c members. Which means 10c members could be ultimately be shut out for shows they want due to competing with the public in this unknown marketplace because too many extra tickets were sold in the initial lotto.

mrvector said:

PJNB said:

You guys that are ok with this system and know you are going to a show are not factoring in that now a lot more people are going to be hurting your GA or reserved odds without a care. In the past if people did not know (most did this) they were going to be able to make a show they did not put in for it and waited till they knew to find at ticket on the forum. Now they will put in and just sell the ticket not caring that they hurt the odds and chances of people that they knew 100% for sure that they were going. There is a lot good with the new system that they have in place but this is an awful choice imo. 

Except it's not like booking a hotel room with a free cancelation policy. You still have to pay the money upfront for these tickets and then find a buyer on this yet to be seen ticket exchange. Since the tickets aren't transferable (outside of NY and Den) there is still inherent risk in getting more tickets than you're prepared to use. I think the vague nature of the exchange system will be enough of a deterrent to protect against it. What if, for instance, the exchange is only 10c members? If the Res odds for the shows stay as high as they are, and most people get their requests fulfilled, the market on that exchange may not be what people think it is.

I think your real gripe is that more people will be putting GA because it doesn't hurt their overall odds. I had planned to do Res for both shows thinking it would give me a better chance in the old system. But with the new one, I can do Best Available and get GA if it's there without hurting my odds at Res. Works well for someone like me, doesn't work well for someone who is GA or bust and now has twice as large of a pool to compete with. 

Great points and spot on about the GA scenario. Higher number fans used to have the protection of lower number fans not putting in for GA since they had great seats and putting that as their first pick gave them great odds on scoring those seats. Now with the city being the onlyy factor with priority more people that went reserved only will more than likely dive into the GA pool since there is no penalty doing that now odds wise.

It is going to be interesting how this plays out and I am pretty damn excited about this tour!