The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    benjs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    benjs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Jason P said:
    The GOP is practically ignoring Warren.  I take that as a sign that she either poses no threat to win the nomination or they are hoping she can take the lead and somehow win.
    Completely agree. They want her to be the nominee. They probably see her as a second-rate Hillary who will be easier to tie to socialism than Hillary was, has less resources (both financial and personal connections) than Hillary, and isn’t married to a popular former president like Hillary. 

    Wow do these 2 comments nail it. The GOP would LOVE Warren as the nominee. 

    Warren will be crucified by trump and he will be able to drag her down to his level by eviscerating her for her dishonesty.

    She really needs to stop lying before she drags the party down.
    This is sarcasm, right?
    Sarcasm???  I totally agree with this.  Being a Republican leaning voter this is absolutely what is wished for.  If Biden is the guy the Dem’s have a chance this time around.   All the others, especially Warren make it a landslide.   The Dem’s will have their first Socialist President in 8-12 years when all the kids who were brought up by Snowflakes get their first chance to vote.  
    Hey look, another Republican telling democrats who their nominee should be.


    Hahahaha this is funny. This is kinda how I feel about this when I’m looking at the candidates. But I really am going to vote for one....but it feels weird as I know I’m not the target audience in a Democratic Party primary.
    Well, you're not Sanders or Warren's target at least.  I feel like when Pete, Joe or Amy speak, I'm connecting with their ideas.  I figured you'd be aligned with some of their policies.  
    What I like about how Pete's representing, is that he reads as authentic in both having long-term vision, and also in incrementalism by laying stepping stones to reach that vision, all the while toeing the line delicately to make sure not to present himself as being supportive of just 'blowing it all up'.
    Funny because that's how I approach work every day.  I don't blow up things that are working to improve them by 10%.  I focus on the 10% while trying to minimize the introduction of risk.  No wonder he appeals to me.  It's a systematic approach, one that moves you forward without putting too much of what you've accomplished at risk.  
    You and I both :) Feel like we may be cut from a similar cloth (though I get the feeling you've become an expert in this where I'm still learning).
    I think I have you by 15 years... That makes a difference my friend.  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    PJ_Soul said:
    Jason P said:
    The GOP is practically ignoring Warren.  I take that as a sign that she either poses no threat to win the nomination or they are hoping she can take the lead and somehow win.
    Completely agree. They want her to be the nominee. They probably see her as a second-rate Hillary who will be easier to tie to socialism than Hillary was, has less resources (both financial and personal connections) than Hillary, and isn’t married to a popular former president like Hillary. 

    Wow do these 2 comments nail it. The GOP would LOVE Warren as the nominee. 

    Warren will be crucified by trump and he will be able to drag her down to his level by eviscerating her for her dishonesty.

    She really needs to stop lying before she drags the party down.
    This is sarcasm, right?
    Sarcasm???  I totally agree with this.  Being a Republican leaning voter this is absolutely what is wished for.  If Biden is the guy the Dem’s have a chance this time around.   All the others, especially Warren make it a landslide.   The Dem’s will have their first Socialist President in 8-12 years when all the kids who were brought up by Snowflakes get their first chance to vote.  
    Warren beats tRump in polling....or did you mean a Dem landslide?
    It's early and I think anyone needs to be up by 5+ points come election day in a national poll to mitigate the EC variable.  And state polling, while useful, seems to be a little less reliable.  I'm worried tbh.  Trump has a floor of support.  He probably has a ceiling too, so they compensate by suppressing votes.  
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,379
    mrussel1 said:
    benjs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    benjs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Jason P said:
    The GOP is practically ignoring Warren.  I take that as a sign that she either poses no threat to win the nomination or they are hoping she can take the lead and somehow win.
    Completely agree. They want her to be the nominee. They probably see her as a second-rate Hillary who will be easier to tie to socialism than Hillary was, has less resources (both financial and personal connections) than Hillary, and isn’t married to a popular former president like Hillary. 

    Wow do these 2 comments nail it. The GOP would LOVE Warren as the nominee. 

    Warren will be crucified by trump and he will be able to drag her down to his level by eviscerating her for her dishonesty.

    She really needs to stop lying before she drags the party down.
    This is sarcasm, right?
    Sarcasm???  I totally agree with this.  Being a Republican leaning voter this is absolutely what is wished for.  If Biden is the guy the Dem’s have a chance this time around.   All the others, especially Warren make it a landslide.   The Dem’s will have their first Socialist President in 8-12 years when all the kids who were brought up by Snowflakes get their first chance to vote.  
    Hey look, another Republican telling democrats who their nominee should be.


    Hahahaha this is funny. This is kinda how I feel about this when I’m looking at the candidates. But I really am going to vote for one....but it feels weird as I know I’m not the target audience in a Democratic Party primary.
    Well, you're not Sanders or Warren's target at least.  I feel like when Pete, Joe or Amy speak, I'm connecting with their ideas.  I figured you'd be aligned with some of their policies.  
    What I like about how Pete's representing, is that he reads as authentic in both having long-term vision, and also in incrementalism by laying stepping stones to reach that vision, all the while toeing the line delicately to make sure not to present himself as being supportive of just 'blowing it all up'.
    Funny because that's how I approach work every day.  I don't blow up things that are working to improve them by 10%.  I focus on the 10% while trying to minimize the introduction of risk.  No wonder he appeals to me.  It's a systematic approach, one that moves you forward without putting too much of what you've accomplished at risk.  
    You and I both :) Feel like we may be cut from a similar cloth (though I get the feeling you've become an expert in this where I'm still learning).
    I think I have you by 15 years... That makes a difference my friend.  
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  • Gern Blansten
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    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Jason P said:
    The GOP is practically ignoring Warren.  I take that as a sign that she either poses no threat to win the nomination or they are hoping she can take the lead and somehow win.
    Completely agree. They want her to be the nominee. They probably see her as a second-rate Hillary who will be easier to tie to socialism than Hillary was, has less resources (both financial and personal connections) than Hillary, and isn’t married to a popular former president like Hillary. 

    Wow do these 2 comments nail it. The GOP would LOVE Warren as the nominee. 

    Warren will be crucified by trump and he will be able to drag her down to his level by eviscerating her for her dishonesty.

    She really needs to stop lying before she drags the party down.
    This is sarcasm, right?
    Sarcasm???  I totally agree with this.  Being a Republican leaning voter this is absolutely what is wished for.  If Biden is the guy the Dem’s have a chance this time around.   All the others, especially Warren make it a landslide.   The Dem’s will have their first Socialist President in 8-12 years when all the kids who were brought up by Snowflakes get their first chance to vote.  
    Warren beats tRump in polling....or did you mean a Dem landslide?
    It's early and I think anyone needs to be up by 5+ points come election day in a national poll to mitigate the EC variable.  And state polling, while useful, seems to be a little less reliable.  I'm worried tbh.  Trump has a floor of support.  He probably has a ceiling too, so they compensate by suppressing votes.  
    I think I'm good now....his 38% won't budge but the independents aren't going to vote for him again regardless of who the Dem is.
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  • cincybearcat
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    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Jason P said:
    The GOP is practically ignoring Warren.  I take that as a sign that she either poses no threat to win the nomination or they are hoping she can take the lead and somehow win.
    Completely agree. They want her to be the nominee. They probably see her as a second-rate Hillary who will be easier to tie to socialism than Hillary was, has less resources (both financial and personal connections) than Hillary, and isn’t married to a popular former president like Hillary. 

    Wow do these 2 comments nail it. The GOP would LOVE Warren as the nominee. 

    Warren will be crucified by trump and he will be able to drag her down to his level by eviscerating her for her dishonesty.

    She really needs to stop lying before she drags the party down.
    This is sarcasm, right?
    Sarcasm???  I totally agree with this.  Being a Republican leaning voter this is absolutely what is wished for.  If Biden is the guy the Dem’s have a chance this time around.   All the others, especially Warren make it a landslide.   The Dem’s will have their first Socialist President in 8-12 years when all the kids who were brought up by Snowflakes get their first chance to vote.  
    Hey look, another Republican telling democrats who their nominee should be.


    Hahahaha this is funny. This is kinda how I feel about this when I’m looking at the candidates. But I really am going to vote for one....but it feels weird as I know I’m not the target audience in a Democratic Party primary.
    Well, you're not Sanders or Warren's target at least.  I feel like when Pete, Joe or Amy speak, I'm connecting with their ideas.  I figured you'd be aligned with some of their policies.  
    Yes, you are correct.  Really like Pete and Amy.  Joe...not so much.  Not because of his politics. ;)
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  • Regardless of who the nominee is, I'm voting Pete Buttigieg for Vice-President. Even if he's not the running mate. He just looks a Vice-President to me. If Buttigieg, Al Gore and Dan Quayle walked into a room, he'd look just as vice-presidential as they do. 
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    If I was voting in primary today, I’d be voting Buddha, and most likely will be come time. I like Pete at the top of ticket, but don’t think he fits as a vp. His Midwest roots would be a plus though.
    Biden/Booker
    Biden/Warren
    Biden/Buddha 
    Biden/Rice
    Biden/Holder
    Warren/?
    Buddha/Booker
    Buddha/?
    Will Smith/Clooney 
    ?/?





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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,379
    Hi! said:
    If I was voting in primary today, I’d be voting Buddha, and most likely will be come time. I like Pete at the top of ticket, but don’t think he fits as a vp. His Midwest roots would be a plus though.
    Biden/Booker
    Biden/Warren
    Biden/Buddha 
    Biden/Rice
    Biden/Holder
    Warren/?
    Buddha/Booker
    Buddha/?
    Will Smith/Clooney 
    ?/?





    But do you think Clooney would go for VP? I know it's Will Smith and all, but still.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,485
    benjs said:
    Hi! said:
    If I was voting in primary today, I’d be voting Buddha, and most likely will be come time. I like Pete at the top of ticket, but don’t think he fits as a vp. His Midwest roots would be a plus though.
    Biden/Booker
    Biden/Warren
    Biden/Buddha 
    Biden/Rice
    Biden/Holder
    Warren/?
    Buddha/Booker
    Buddha/?
    Will Smith/Clooney 
    ?/?





    But do you think Clooney would go for VP? I know it's Will Smith and all, but still.
    clooney has to be at the top. he's the one who has to be in the briefing room, clowning all the press corps. 
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,379
    benjs said:
    Hi! said:
    If I was voting in primary today, I’d be voting Buddha, and most likely will be come time. I like Pete at the top of ticket, but don’t think he fits as a vp. His Midwest roots would be a plus though.
    Biden/Booker
    Biden/Warren
    Biden/Buddha 
    Biden/Rice
    Biden/Holder
    Warren/?
    Buddha/Booker
    Buddha/?
    Will Smith/Clooney 
    ?/?





    But do you think Clooney would go for VP? I know it's Will Smith and all, but still.
    clooney has to be at the top. he's the one who has to be in the briefing room, clowning all the press corps. 
    I want Will Smith for Press Secretary, the more that I think about it.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,600
    Clooney for Secretary of State. Guy could get whatever he wanted just on charm alone. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    JimmyV said:
    Clooney for Secretary of State. Guy could get whatever he wanted just on charm alone. 
    excellent point. 
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  • Lerxst1992
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    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Jason P said:
    The GOP is practically ignoring Warren.  I take that as a sign that she either poses no threat to win the nomination or they are hoping she can take the lead and somehow win.
    Completely agree. They want her to be the nominee. They probably see her as a second-rate Hillary who will be easier to tie to socialism than Hillary was, has less resources (both financial and personal connections) than Hillary, and isn’t married to a popular former president like Hillary. 

    Wow do these 2 comments nail it. The GOP would LOVE Warren as the nominee. 

    Warren will be crucified by trump and he will be able to drag her down to his level by eviscerating her for her dishonesty.

    She really needs to stop lying before she drags the party down.
    This is sarcasm, right?
    Sarcasm???  I totally agree with this.  Being a Republican leaning voter this is absolutely what is wished for.  If Biden is the guy the Dem’s have a chance this time around.   All the others, especially Warren make it a landslide.   The Dem’s will have their first Socialist President in 8-12 years when all the kids who were brought up by Snowflakes get their first chance to vote.  
    Warren beats tRump in polling....or did you mean a Dem landslide?
    It's early and I think anyone needs to be up by 5+ points come election day in a national poll to mitigate the EC variable.  And state polling, while useful, seems to be a little less reliable.  I'm worried tbh.  Trump has a floor of support.  He probably has a ceiling too, so they compensate by suppressing votes.  
    I think I'm good now....his 38% won't budge but the independents aren't going to vote for him again regardless of who the Dem is.


    I wouldn't take too much comfort from independents because alot of them are Libertarians which is just a fancy word for Republican. 

    I'd estimate trump support at 42% and if 6% dont vote or vote third party, Trump is at 44.7% (42/94= 44.7).

    44.7 is pretty darn close to what trump got last time and that's with zero "opposition research" to generate "lock her up" chants or something similar.

    Given the inherent right leaning EC bias, I'm with mr1 , very concerned about 4 more years. And I didnt even get into perceived sociast  policies.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    mrussel1 said:
    Could be an outlier, could be a result of Warren taking some good punches in the debate.  

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/467054-biden-lead-over-2020-field-widest-since-april-poll
    Another day, another poll.

    Warren Leads Biden in Latest Quinnipiac Poll


    https://fortune.com/2019/10/24/warren-biden-latest-quinnipiac-poll/
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Could be an outlier, could be a result of Warren taking some good punches in the debate.  

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/467054-biden-lead-over-2020-field-widest-since-april-poll
    Another day, another poll.

    Warren Leads Biden in Latest Quinnipiac Poll


    https://fortune.com/2019/10/24/warren-biden-latest-quinnipiac-poll/
    I think Warren is likely up by a handful of points.  Time to vote though. 
  • What is going to be telling are the Iowa caucuses, NH primary followed by Super Tuesday. Liz and Pete have excellent ground games in Iowa and NH but does it translate to Super Tuesday and in particular, southern and Midwest states? Me thinks not but I won’t be surprised if Joe finishes second or third in Iowa and NH and rebounds in the south and mid west. It’s still waaaaay too early.
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  • mrussel1
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    What is going to be telling are the Iowa caucuses, NH primary followed by Super Tuesday. Liz and Pete have excellent ground games in Iowa and NH but does it translate to Super Tuesday and in particular, southern and Midwest states? Me thinks not but I won’t be surprised if Joe finishes second or third in Iowa and NH and rebounds in the south and mid west. It’s still waaaaay too early.
    I expect Joe to finish 3rd or 4th in Iowa.  But I think that's okay.  He needs to get into the South and Midwest, where his strength will be. 
    The other wild card is the impeachment trial.  If it starts in January, Warren, Booker, Bernie, Kamala and Amy will all have to be DC for the trial which will take weeks.  That will be very bad for them.  
  • mcgruff10
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    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/25/warren-sanders-progressive-race-056903

    Warren and Sanders race to out-left each other — and moderates are terrified

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,379
    mrussel1 said:
    What is going to be telling are the Iowa caucuses, NH primary followed by Super Tuesday. Liz and Pete have excellent ground games in Iowa and NH but does it translate to Super Tuesday and in particular, southern and Midwest states? Me thinks not but I won’t be surprised if Joe finishes second or third in Iowa and NH and rebounds in the south and mid west. It’s still waaaaay too early.
    I expect Joe to finish 3rd or 4th in Iowa.  But I think that's okay.  He needs to get into the South and Midwest, where his strength will be. 
    The other wild card is the impeachment trial.  If it starts in January, Warren, Booker, Bernie, Kamala and Amy will all have to be DC for the trial which will take weeks.  That will be very bad for them.  
    That's a good point. That would probably be a dream come true for Buttigieg. 
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  • cincybearcat
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    mcgruff10 said:
    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/25/warren-sanders-progressive-race-056903

    Warren and Sanders race to out-left each other — and moderates are terrified


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