Canadian Politics Redux

HughFreakingDillon said:

I find it crazy that one party can get more seats and the incumbent PM can still "get the first crack" at forming government. 

I’m hoping that if a Conservative minority is elected the GG will give them first crack at governing, but I’m not so sure she will. Personally I’m a fan of minority governments as they (sometimes) lead to more of a consensus than majorities.

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I find it crazy that one party can get more seats and the incumbent PM can still "get the first crack" at forming government. 

I think in a minority result all parties should be able to try and form a combined majority gov. Majority wins, voters win. I like it.

ABC

with who at the helm?

If the Conservatives are handed a minority mandate, how or why can/should that be denied in favour of a coalition that has no mandate from the people? Seriously, in this scenario, why shouldn’t the CPC be given a chance to govern as, under our system they would be most representative of the voting population’s desires? If the other parties choose to simply be obstructionist and defeat a minority CPC government that speaks volumes about their supposed tolerance, in my opinion.

PJ_Soul said:

DarthMaeglin said:

If the Conservatives are handed a minority mandate, how or why can/should that be denied in favour of a coalition that has no mandate from the people? Seriously, in this scenario, why shouldn’t the CPC be given a chance to govern as, under our system they would be most representative of the voting population’s desires? If the other parties choose to simply be obstructionist and defeat a minority CPC government that speaks volumes about their supposed tolerance, in my opinion.

Because a coalition would represent the majority of Canadian voters better? Canadian election law does allow for this to be done, so I'm not sure why Cons are suddenly trying to make it seem like there is something "off" about this possibility. I don't understand how they figure having the leader of the party who the minority of people voted for should necessarily be the leader, especially when this coalition has essentially been "put on the table" before the election. A coalition would in fact be the more democratic option than a Conservative minority government. In a country where progressives are split between 3 parties, while the entire right is lumped into only 1 party (PPC doesn't count), a coalition definitely seems like a very logical step to take. And it's a HELL of a lot better than 4 years of obstruction. I have no clue why you would prefer that scenario. Nothing would get done.

Except our system isn’t representative of the popular vote (which I think is what you’re getting at), as evidenced by the vote breakdown in the last few elections at least. There’s no reason to believe a CPC minority couldn’t be an effective government, except for other parties saying they refuse to cooperate in that situation without seeing a single piece of legislation.

As for the obstruction I mentioned, I probably wasn’t clear enough, sorry. What I was envisioning was the other parties blocking every piece of legislation, leading to the defeat of the government at the first confidence vote (likely the budget), so I’d be surprised to see a full four years of such.

All I’m asking for is to give the CPC a chance (as I tried, even worked to give Trudeau a chance), and if they fall let the coalition take over and the voters will eventually judge all parties in the next election.

After all, Harper successfully negotiated 2 minorities before his majority (prorogue notwithstanding, lol).

HughFreakingDillon said:

i'd rather not give scheer any chance whatsoever. 

I hear ya.

So far it's pretty tight. But thankfully Scheer and the cons are not looking great.

CBC now says Liberal minority.

I couldn't have asked for a better result.

Just looked at the CBC live results. NDP has one seat but leading in another 20 seats, likely most of them in the west. 

People's Party  - elected 0, leading in 0 - that's the result I want for the Bernier racists - a total flop.

At least the new Star Wars trailer dropped tonight, so there was something good for me, lol.

It will be interesting to see (assuming the current count stands) if we get a more reasonable Trudeau out of this, though I’m not hopeful. And we’ll never know the full truth about the SNC story which should have killed this government.