Canadian Politics Redux
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Love how liberals bitch and moan when conservatives back there own, when they shouldn't...but it's OK that liberals back their own when they shouldn't.Give Peas A Chance…0
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liberals back their own where appropriate. I criticize JT where appropriate. that's the difference with most conservatives. they have a horrible track record of forgiving everything their own members do. Liberals hold themselves to a higher standard, much to their political detriment.
see: Al FankenBy The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
I'll suggest that those who think this is no big deal go and watch Jagmeet Singh's second statement (made after his town hall). It's pretty powerful, and if anyone's got the best perspective of the leaders, it's him. Most relevant to me, he spoke directly to the communities and people who will be most hurt by this. Trudeau and Scheer both spoke more generally to Canadians in general, as if there was an election campaign ongoing.
To the point about the costume, back then (and even now) dressing to a theme for a party is fine, yes, though we do sometimes see people called out for going too far with their costumes. This isn't eyeliner and lipstick we're talking about here, it's full face (and hand) paint. At no point of its application did he not think he was going too far...even in the ancient times of 2001?
One last thing, please stop blowing off the concerns of others as being just partisan or part of the outrage culture. It's just possible some of us are offended as simple human beings (I thought the movie White Chicks was in poor taste for the same reason as this, for example).
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 20220 -
I agree with you on Singh’s handling of this. He has struggled to get much airtime and hasn’t really found his footing, but he is shining here. I hope it helps raise his profile.DarthMaeglin said:I'll suggest that those who think this is no big deal go and watch Jagmeet Singh's second statement (made after his town hall). It's pretty powerful, and if anyone's got the best perspective of the leaders, it's him. Most relevant to me, he spoke directly to the communities and people who will be most hurt by this. Trudeau and Scheer both spoke more generally to Canadians in general, as if there was an election campaign ongoing.
To the point about the costume, back then (and even now) dressing to a theme for a party is fine, yes, though we do sometimes see people called out for going too far with their costumes. This isn't eyeliner and lipstick we're talking about here, it's full face (and hand) paint. At no point of its application did he not think he was going too far...even in the ancient times of 2001?
One last thing, please stop blowing off the concerns of others as being just partisan or part of the outrage culture. It's just possible some of us are offended as simple human beings (I thought the movie White Chicks was in poor taste for the same reason as this, for example).my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
not blowing anyone off. But some things just are so obviously partisan it just can't be ignored. context matters. all signs point to him not being a racist or having any malice intent whatsoever. anyone who thinks he's racist is blatantly ignoring his record. again: partisan.DarthMaeglin said:I'll suggest that those who think this is no big deal go and watch Jagmeet Singh's second statement (made after his town hall). It's pretty powerful, and if anyone's got the best perspective of the leaders, it's him. Most relevant to me, he spoke directly to the communities and people who will be most hurt by this. Trudeau and Scheer both spoke more generally to Canadians in general, as if there was an election campaign ongoing.
To the point about the costume, back then (and even now) dressing to a theme for a party is fine, yes, though we do sometimes see people called out for going too far with their costumes. This isn't eyeliner and lipstick we're talking about here, it's full face (and hand) paint. At no point of its application did he not think he was going too far...even in the ancient times of 2001?
One last thing, please stop blowing off the concerns of others as being just partisan or part of the outrage culture. It's just possible some of us are offended as simple human beings (I thought the movie White Chicks was in poor taste for the same reason as this, for example).
Jagmeet Singh carries himself incredibly well. Speaks eloquently. I saw his statement online, but haven't watched any video of it. I will do so. I might vote for him if he wasn't in the NDP. I just can't vote for that party anymore, not what Selinger and the party did in my province for so many years.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Singh won me over with those comments. Very powerful.DarthMaeglin said:I'll suggest that those who think this is no big deal go and watch Jagmeet Singh's second statement (made after his town hall). It's pretty powerful, and if anyone's got the best perspective of the leaders, it's him. Most relevant to me, he spoke directly to the communities and people who will be most hurt by this. Trudeau and Scheer both spoke more generally to Canadians in general, as if there was an election campaign ongoing.
To the point about the costume, back then (and even now) dressing to a theme for a party is fine, yes, though we do sometimes see people called out for going too far with their costumes. This isn't eyeliner and lipstick we're talking about here, it's full face (and hand) paint. At no point of its application did he not think he was going too far...even in the ancient times of 2001?
One last thing, please stop blowing off the concerns of others as being just partisan or part of the outrage culture. It's just possible some of us are offended as simple human beings (I thought the movie White Chicks was in poor taste for the same reason as this, for example).Give Peas A Chance…0 -
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Why judge the federal NDP by a provincial party? In my experience, they often have little in common. Our B.C. Liberals are definitely Conservatives.HughFreakingDillon said:
not blowing anyone off. But some things just are so obviously partisan it just can't be ignored. context matters. all signs point to him not being a racist or having any malice intent whatsoever. anyone who thinks he's racist is blatantly ignoring his record. again: partisan.DarthMaeglin said:I'll suggest that those who think this is no big deal go and watch Jagmeet Singh's second statement (made after his town hall). It's pretty powerful, and if anyone's got the best perspective of the leaders, it's him. Most relevant to me, he spoke directly to the communities and people who will be most hurt by this. Trudeau and Scheer both spoke more generally to Canadians in general, as if there was an election campaign ongoing.
To the point about the costume, back then (and even now) dressing to a theme for a party is fine, yes, though we do sometimes see people called out for going too far with their costumes. This isn't eyeliner and lipstick we're talking about here, it's full face (and hand) paint. At no point of its application did he not think he was going too far...even in the ancient times of 2001?
One last thing, please stop blowing off the concerns of others as being just partisan or part of the outrage culture. It's just possible some of us are offended as simple human beings (I thought the movie White Chicks was in poor taste for the same reason as this, for example).
Jagmeet Singh carries himself incredibly well. Speaks eloquently. I saw his statement online, but haven't watched any video of it. I will do so. I might vote for him if he wasn't in the NDP. I just can't vote for that party anymore, not what Selinger and the party did in my province for so many years.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
I love it, as partisan as it may be, lol!Meltdown99 said:
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 20220 -
I'd like to share a story from my childhood that may help explain my views on this, if you'll bear with me.
When I was 6 or 7 (early 80s) I attended a planning meeting with my father about a mall being proposed that would be Chinese-centric. At some point one of the adults asked me what I thought, and I made some VERY off-colour remarks (I would later see this same scene played out with Bart on The Simpsons, lol). When we got home my dad stood me on the front porch and went up one side and down the other scolding (it was more forceful than that) me about how wrong the things I said were. Interestingly, when I talked about this incident with my parents last night, my dad couldn't recall this, lol. But it stuck with me and informed my growth as a person.
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 20220 -
In my experience in Manitoba, they align pretty closely. it's partly my provincial experience but also since Jack died. I couldn't stand Mulcair. I like Jagmeet, but I honestly need to read up more on his/their platforms.oftenreading said:
Why judge the federal NDP by a provincial party? In my experience, they often have little in common. Our B.C. Liberals are definitely Conservatives.HughFreakingDillon said:
not blowing anyone off. But some things just are so obviously partisan it just can't be ignored. context matters. all signs point to him not being a racist or having any malice intent whatsoever. anyone who thinks he's racist is blatantly ignoring his record. again: partisan.DarthMaeglin said:I'll suggest that those who think this is no big deal go and watch Jagmeet Singh's second statement (made after his town hall). It's pretty powerful, and if anyone's got the best perspective of the leaders, it's him. Most relevant to me, he spoke directly to the communities and people who will be most hurt by this. Trudeau and Scheer both spoke more generally to Canadians in general, as if there was an election campaign ongoing.
To the point about the costume, back then (and even now) dressing to a theme for a party is fine, yes, though we do sometimes see people called out for going too far with their costumes. This isn't eyeliner and lipstick we're talking about here, it's full face (and hand) paint. At no point of its application did he not think he was going too far...even in the ancient times of 2001?
One last thing, please stop blowing off the concerns of others as being just partisan or part of the outrage culture. It's just possible some of us are offended as simple human beings (I thought the movie White Chicks was in poor taste for the same reason as this, for example).
Jagmeet Singh carries himself incredibly well. Speaks eloquently. I saw his statement online, but haven't watched any video of it. I will do so. I might vote for him if he wasn't in the NDP. I just can't vote for that party anymore, not what Selinger and the party did in my province for so many years.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
is that grey face? all gargoyles should be outraged!DarthMaeglin said:
I love it, as partisan as it may be, lol!Meltdown99 said:By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
LOL!HughFreakingDillon said:
is that grey face? all gargoyles should be outraged!DarthMaeglin said:
I love it, as partisan as it may be, lol!Meltdown99 said:
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 20220 -
Well, sure, I would hope that any parent would do that. But that’s quite a different situation than what we’re talking about here.DarthMaeglin said:I'd like to share a story from my childhood that may help explain my views on this, if you'll bear with me.
When I was 6 or 7 (early 80s) I attended a planning meeting with my father about a mall being proposed that would be Chinese-centric. At some point one of the adults asked me what I thought, and I made some VERY off-colour remarks (I would later see this same scene played out with Bart on The Simpsons, lol). When we got home my dad stood me on the front porch and went up one side and down the other scolding (it was more forceful than that) me about how wrong the things I said were. Interestingly, when I talked about this incident with my parents last night, my dad couldn't recall this, lol. But it stuck with me and informed my growth as a person.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
I think we've all experienced these teachings over our lives, but what does this have to do with brownface?DarthMaeglin said:I'd like to share a story from my childhood that may help explain my views on this, if you'll bear with me.
When I was 6 or 7 (early 80s) I attended a planning meeting with my father about a mall being proposed that would be Chinese-centric. At some point one of the adults asked me what I thought, and I made some VERY off-colour remarks (I would later see this same scene played out with Bart on The Simpsons, lol). When we got home my dad stood me on the front porch and went up one side and down the other scolding (it was more forceful than that) me about how wrong the things I said were. Interestingly, when I talked about this incident with my parents last night, my dad couldn't recall this, lol. But it stuck with me and informed my growth as a person.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
I was hoping this might show that I'm less partisan and more human on this."The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 20220 -
I wasn't really accusing you specifically of being partisan on it. I can absolutely see how someone would be offended where others may not. I just tend to believe a lot of what people get upset about these days has more to do with partisan politics than actual offence.DarthMaeglin said:I was hoping this might show that I'm less partisan and more human on this.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
What's funny is that there is a lot of politicians in Canada wondering..."did I".Give Peas A Chance…0
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Thanks, I appreciate the clarification, I may have partly fallen prey to the inadequacies of discussing things online (and not wanting to write a doctoral thesis to make my point, lol).HughFreakingDillon said:
I wasn't really accusing you specifically of being partisan on it. I can absolutely see how someone would be offended where others may not. I just tend to believe a lot of what people get upset about these days has more to do with partisan politics than actual offence.DarthMaeglin said:I was hoping this might show that I'm less partisan and more human on this.
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 20220 -
So what is the real controversy here, out of curiosity? Do people now think Trudeau is actually a racist? Are they just really upset that he did some offensive things 18+ years ago and want him to somehow suffer or pay for it now? Do they think the behaviour will be repeated now? Do they think the fact he had no qualms about doing this back then means that he would do similar things now? I'm genuinely not too sure what to think myself about this.... It really depends on how minorities feel about it, and why. I don't think I care very much about what white people think outside of how it will affect their vote (anything I say about it is equally meaningless, lol). I don't think there is a single non-white person who posts on the AMT though. If I'm wrong, and someone who isn't white is posting here, I'd love to hear from you. But only if it's a non-partisan perspective. I agree with HFD (who I think has me on ignore) that the people who are the most upset are white partisans who want this to win Scheer the election. But again, I need to hear from non-white non-partisans to really understand the impact of this.I would like to mention, though, when it comes to this discussion about partisanship, I strongly feel that I wouldn't be thinking any differently if this were Scheer, under all the exact same circumstances... Where I would have a real knee jerk reaction would be if a known racist was found to have been doing this because they're racist. I don't believe that is the case here.... Do others think so? Is Trudeau racist? Was he racist then, and did these things with a derogatory mindset? Was his intention to mock minorities? Or did he just do this out of sheer ignorance at the time with no intention of mocking? I don't know. Context is everything. But I feel a bit in the dark. Dark face is such a foreign thing to me I don't know what to make of it unless it is a racist doing it in a racist context.Will this sink Trudeau in the election? ..... I actually doubt this will have a lasting effect on the poll numbers, but we'll see, obviously. My #1 concern is and will continue to be that Scheer doesn't win. That this could help him win is what I'm most worried about, not Trudeau's dumbassery back in the day.
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