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I hear ya, and I think those are the type of people that Trump is talking about. But when the other poster spoke of "rounding up" people, it harkened back (for me anyway) to the Nazis who rounded up mentally and physically disabled people with no reason for it other than they were on Hitler's list of imperfect people.tempo_n_groove said:
Got it. When I think of mentally ill I don't think of autistic people but people with serious mental conditions, schizophrenia, bipolar. The ones I see roaming the streets and yelling at the passing cars.Ledbetterman10 said:
Not sure what you just sayin' here. If my city was inundated with what? Mentally ill individuals? If so, when I say "harmless mentally ill folks," I'm talking specially about people that have mental health disorders (autism, etc) but aren't threats to ever shoot a gun. Not the ones that are so dangerous that an involuntary commitment is needed for.tempo_n_groove said:
If your city was inundated with them you might feel different about that. Just sayin'.Ledbetterman10 said:
Involuntary commitment of mentally ill and dangerous individuals happens everyday. That’s different than rounding up any and all mentally ill folks like the Nazis did. I don’t think Trump meant that. But ya never know. If anyone would scapegoat harmless mentally ill folks for political reasons, I guess he’d be the guy.tempo_n_groove said:
So he does want to round them up.ikiT said:August 5, 2019
WE MUST REFORM OUR MENTAL HEALTH LAWS TO BETTER IDENTIFY MENTALLY DISTURBED INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY COMMIT ACTS OF VIOLENCE AND MAKE SURE THOSE PEOPLE NOT ONLY GET TREATMENT BUT, WHEN NECESSARY, INVOLUNTARY CONFINEMENT. MENTAL ILLNESS AND HATRED PULLS THE...
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Now I wouldn't be in favor of just imprisoning every goof you see in the streets yelling at the clouds. But sometimes involuntary commitments are necessary. More often than not, they're done as way to curtail self-harm. And I think (or at least hope), this is what Trump is trying to say. That if someone makes a threat of suicide, and they could be involuntary committed for their own safety, then if someone makes a serious threat to others (like the "kill list" that the Ohio shooter), maybe they should be committed for the safety of others.
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I'm pretty sure China still rounds these people up too.Ledbetterman10 said:
I hear ya, and I think those are the type of people that Trump is talking about. But when the other poster spoke of "rounding up" people, it harkened back (for me anyway) to the Nazis who rounded up mentally and physically disabled people with no reason for it other than they were on Hitler's list of imperfect people.tempo_n_groove said:
Got it. When I think of mentally ill I don't think of autistic people but people with serious mental conditions, schizophrenia, bipolar. The ones I see roaming the streets and yelling at the passing cars.Ledbetterman10 said:
Not sure what you just sayin' here. If my city was inundated with what? Mentally ill individuals? If so, when I say "harmless mentally ill folks," I'm talking specially about people that have mental health disorders (autism, etc) but aren't threats to ever shoot a gun. Not the ones that are so dangerous that an involuntary commitment is needed for.tempo_n_groove said:
If your city was inundated with them you might feel different about that. Just sayin'.Ledbetterman10 said:
Involuntary commitment of mentally ill and dangerous individuals happens everyday. That’s different than rounding up any and all mentally ill folks like the Nazis did. I don’t think Trump meant that. But ya never know. If anyone would scapegoat harmless mentally ill folks for political reasons, I guess he’d be the guy.tempo_n_groove said:
So he does want to round them up.ikiT said:August 5, 2019
WE MUST REFORM OUR MENTAL HEALTH LAWS TO BETTER IDENTIFY MENTALLY DISTURBED INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY COMMIT ACTS OF VIOLENCE AND MAKE SURE THOSE PEOPLE NOT ONLY GET TREATMENT BUT, WHEN NECESSARY, INVOLUNTARY CONFINEMENT. MENTAL ILLNESS AND HATRED PULLS THE...
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Now I wouldn't be in favor of just imprisoning every goof you see in the streets yelling at the clouds. But sometimes involuntary commitments are necessary. More often than not, they're done as way to curtail self-harm. And I think (or at least hope), this is what Trump is trying to say. That if someone makes a threat of suicide, and they could be involuntary committed for their own safety, then if someone makes a serious threat to others (like the "kill list" that the Ohio shooter), maybe they should be committed for the safety of others.
I can't imagine living in a world where someone could pick up the phone and say that I am mentally unstable and then I get a knock on the door and take me away.
To me THAT is Nazis Germany type shit. 1984 type shit.
Not for me please. The government will mess that good intention up really good.0 -
Agree here. How many exes will be calling in their spouses? That's already a problem today.tempo_n_groove said:
I'm pretty sure China still rounds these people up too.Ledbetterman10 said:
I hear ya, and I think those are the type of people that Trump is talking about. But when the other poster spoke of "rounding up" people, it harkened back (for me anyway) to the Nazis who rounded up mentally and physically disabled people with no reason for it other than they were on Hitler's list of imperfect people.tempo_n_groove said:
Got it. When I think of mentally ill I don't think of autistic people but people with serious mental conditions, schizophrenia, bipolar. The ones I see roaming the streets and yelling at the passing cars.Ledbetterman10 said:
Not sure what you just sayin' here. If my city was inundated with what? Mentally ill individuals? If so, when I say "harmless mentally ill folks," I'm talking specially about people that have mental health disorders (autism, etc) but aren't threats to ever shoot a gun. Not the ones that are so dangerous that an involuntary commitment is needed for.tempo_n_groove said:
If your city was inundated with them you might feel different about that. Just sayin'.Ledbetterman10 said:
Involuntary commitment of mentally ill and dangerous individuals happens everyday. That’s different than rounding up any and all mentally ill folks like the Nazis did. I don’t think Trump meant that. But ya never know. If anyone would scapegoat harmless mentally ill folks for political reasons, I guess he’d be the guy.tempo_n_groove said:
So he does want to round them up.ikiT said:August 5, 2019
WE MUST REFORM OUR MENTAL HEALTH LAWS TO BETTER IDENTIFY MENTALLY DISTURBED INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY COMMIT ACTS OF VIOLENCE AND MAKE SURE THOSE PEOPLE NOT ONLY GET TREATMENT BUT, WHEN NECESSARY, INVOLUNTARY CONFINEMENT. MENTAL ILLNESS AND HATRED PULLS THE...
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Now I wouldn't be in favor of just imprisoning every goof you see in the streets yelling at the clouds. But sometimes involuntary commitments are necessary. More often than not, they're done as way to curtail self-harm. And I think (or at least hope), this is what Trump is trying to say. That if someone makes a threat of suicide, and they could be involuntary committed for their own safety, then if someone makes a serious threat to others (like the "kill list" that the Ohio shooter), maybe they should be committed for the safety of others.
I can't imagine living in a world where someone could pick up the phone and say that I am mentally unstable and then I get a knock on the door and take me away.
To me THAT is Nazis Germany type shit. 1984 type shit.
Not for me please. The government will mess that good intention up really good.0 -
Agreed. The best course of action is to take REAL action when there are warning signs. I keep bringing it up like a broken record, but for a high schooler to have a kill list and a rape list, that school officials knew about (and suspended him)….I just don't know how the hell that person can be able to legally buy a gun. There has to be a way for that sort of information to find it's way onto that kid's background check. This is what Trump should be pushing rather than unrealistic rhetoric about confining mentally ill people. Not everyone with a mental health disorder is a threat, and many people that have never been diagnosed are.tempo_n_groove said:
I'm pretty sure China still rounds these people up too.Ledbetterman10 said:
I hear ya, and I think those are the type of people that Trump is talking about. But when the other poster spoke of "rounding up" people, it harkened back (for me anyway) to the Nazis who rounded up mentally and physically disabled people with no reason for it other than they were on Hitler's list of imperfect people.tempo_n_groove said:
Got it. When I think of mentally ill I don't think of autistic people but people with serious mental conditions, schizophrenia, bipolar. The ones I see roaming the streets and yelling at the passing cars.Ledbetterman10 said:
Not sure what you just sayin' here. If my city was inundated with what? Mentally ill individuals? If so, when I say "harmless mentally ill folks," I'm talking specially about people that have mental health disorders (autism, etc) but aren't threats to ever shoot a gun. Not the ones that are so dangerous that an involuntary commitment is needed for.tempo_n_groove said:
If your city was inundated with them you might feel different about that. Just sayin'.Ledbetterman10 said:
Involuntary commitment of mentally ill and dangerous individuals happens everyday. That’s different than rounding up any and all mentally ill folks like the Nazis did. I don’t think Trump meant that. But ya never know. If anyone would scapegoat harmless mentally ill folks for political reasons, I guess he’d be the guy.tempo_n_groove said:
So he does want to round them up.ikiT said:August 5, 2019
WE MUST REFORM OUR MENTAL HEALTH LAWS TO BETTER IDENTIFY MENTALLY DISTURBED INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY COMMIT ACTS OF VIOLENCE AND MAKE SURE THOSE PEOPLE NOT ONLY GET TREATMENT BUT, WHEN NECESSARY, INVOLUNTARY CONFINEMENT. MENTAL ILLNESS AND HATRED PULLS THE...
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Now I wouldn't be in favor of just imprisoning every goof you see in the streets yelling at the clouds. But sometimes involuntary commitments are necessary. More often than not, they're done as way to curtail self-harm. And I think (or at least hope), this is what Trump is trying to say. That if someone makes a threat of suicide, and they could be involuntary committed for their own safety, then if someone makes a serious threat to others (like the "kill list" that the Ohio shooter), maybe they should be committed for the safety of others.
I can't imagine living in a world where someone could pick up the phone and say that I am mentally unstable and then I get a knock on the door and take me away.
To me THAT is Nazis Germany type shit. 1984 type shit.
Not for me please. The government will mess that good intention up really good.
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We have talked about the mental aspect and gun ownership too. A bunch of us thought it was a slippery slope to go down.Ledbetterman10 said:
Agreed. The best course of action is to take REAL action when there are warning signs. I keep bringing it up like a broken record, but for a high schooler to have a kill list and a rape list, that school officials knew about (and suspended him)….I just don't know how the hell that person can be able to legally buy a gun. There has to be a way for that sort of information to find it's way onto that kid's background check. This is what Trump should be pushing rather than unrealistic rhetoric about confining mentally ill people. Not everyone with a mental health disorder is a threat, and many people that have never been diagnosed are.tempo_n_groove said:
I'm pretty sure China still rounds these people up too.Ledbetterman10 said:
I hear ya, and I think those are the type of people that Trump is talking about. But when the other poster spoke of "rounding up" people, it harkened back (for me anyway) to the Nazis who rounded up mentally and physically disabled people with no reason for it other than they were on Hitler's list of imperfect people.tempo_n_groove said:
Got it. When I think of mentally ill I don't think of autistic people but people with serious mental conditions, schizophrenia, bipolar. The ones I see roaming the streets and yelling at the passing cars.Ledbetterman10 said:
Not sure what you just sayin' here. If my city was inundated with what? Mentally ill individuals? If so, when I say "harmless mentally ill folks," I'm talking specially about people that have mental health disorders (autism, etc) but aren't threats to ever shoot a gun. Not the ones that are so dangerous that an involuntary commitment is needed for.tempo_n_groove said:
If your city was inundated with them you might feel different about that. Just sayin'.Ledbetterman10 said:
Involuntary commitment of mentally ill and dangerous individuals happens everyday. That’s different than rounding up any and all mentally ill folks like the Nazis did. I don’t think Trump meant that. But ya never know. If anyone would scapegoat harmless mentally ill folks for political reasons, I guess he’d be the guy.tempo_n_groove said:
So he does want to round them up.ikiT said:August 5, 2019
WE MUST REFORM OUR MENTAL HEALTH LAWS TO BETTER IDENTIFY MENTALLY DISTURBED INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY COMMIT ACTS OF VIOLENCE AND MAKE SURE THOSE PEOPLE NOT ONLY GET TREATMENT BUT, WHEN NECESSARY, INVOLUNTARY CONFINEMENT. MENTAL ILLNESS AND HATRED PULLS THE...
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Now I wouldn't be in favor of just imprisoning every goof you see in the streets yelling at the clouds. But sometimes involuntary commitments are necessary. More often than not, they're done as way to curtail self-harm. And I think (or at least hope), this is what Trump is trying to say. That if someone makes a threat of suicide, and they could be involuntary committed for their own safety, then if someone makes a serious threat to others (like the "kill list" that the Ohio shooter), maybe they should be committed for the safety of others.
I can't imagine living in a world where someone could pick up the phone and say that I am mentally unstable and then I get a knock on the door and take me away.
To me THAT is Nazis Germany type shit. 1984 type shit.
Not for me please. The government will mess that good intention up really good.
Research what Connecticut is doing and if u like that maybe it could be national?
Some of the things we did in school would have gotten myself and all my friends expelled if we were to do them today. It wasn't THAT long ago either. I'm sure some of the older guys have stories they could tell too. School today is much much different than what I went to.0 -
You got that right. I'm a Juvenile Probation Officer and you'd be shocked with some of the stuff that kids get charged with, adjudicated on, and placed on probation for. Getting into a school yard fight? Charged with simple assault. Someone shows you a picture of their 16-year-old girlfriend's boobs that she sent him? Charged with possession of child pornography. And so on and so forth.tempo_n_groove said:
We have talked about the mental aspect and gun ownership too. A bunch of us thought it was a slippery slope to go down.
Research what Connecticut is doing and if u like that maybe it could be national?
Some of the things we did in school would have gotten myself and all my friends expelled if we were to do them today. It wasn't THAT long ago either. I'm sure some of the older guys have stories they could tell too. School today is much much different than what I went to.
We had a kid threaten to shoot up the school in a group chat. When I read it, I suspected that it wasn't a serious threat, but that doesn't matter. Kid was charged with terroristic threats. That's why I keep coming back to the Ohio shooter's "kill list." I feel having a kill list would be tantamount to (or at least in the realm of) terroristic threats, and if placed on probation, someone in my position could force the kid into mental health treatment by way of recommending it to the court.
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A few of the individuals who have committed these mass shootings would be considered mentally ill, but most are not. Most violence, including serious mass violence, is due more to uncontrolled anger and rage, often fuelled by alcohol and drugs.
I have no problem with talking about ways to limit gun ownership and attempts to identify who poses the highest risk, but we have to remember that most of the time that isn’t someone who is mentally ill. Let’s not try to foist the responsibility for this issue onto the mentally ill; they have difficult enough burdens to carry.
Inevitably someone is going to say to this “you have to be mentally ill to kill people”. No, you don’t.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
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Especially this gov't led by this demagogue ...yo he isn't qualified to make a Dunkin run.tempo_n_groove said:
I'm pretty sure China still rounds these people up too.Ledbetterman10 said:
I hear ya, and I think those are the type of people that Trump is talking about. But when the other poster spoke of "rounding up" people, it harkened back (for me anyway) to the Nazis who rounded up mentally and physically disabled people with no reason for it other than they were on Hitler's list of imperfect people.tempo_n_groove said:
Got it. When I think of mentally ill I don't think of autistic people but people with serious mental conditions, schizophrenia, bipolar. The ones I see roaming the streets and yelling at the passing cars.Ledbetterman10 said:
Not sure what you just sayin' here. If my city was inundated with what? Mentally ill individuals? If so, when I say "harmless mentally ill folks," I'm talking specially about people that have mental health disorders (autism, etc) but aren't threats to ever shoot a gun. Not the ones that are so dangerous that an involuntary commitment is needed for.tempo_n_groove said:
If your city was inundated with them you might feel different about that. Just sayin'.Ledbetterman10 said:
Involuntary commitment of mentally ill and dangerous individuals happens everyday. That’s different than rounding up any and all mentally ill folks like the Nazis did. I don’t think Trump meant that. But ya never know. If anyone would scapegoat harmless mentally ill folks for political reasons, I guess he’d be the guy.tempo_n_groove said:
So he does want to round them up.ikiT said:August 5, 2019
WE MUST REFORM OUR MENTAL HEALTH LAWS TO BETTER IDENTIFY MENTALLY DISTURBED INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY COMMIT ACTS OF VIOLENCE AND MAKE SURE THOSE PEOPLE NOT ONLY GET TREATMENT BUT, WHEN NECESSARY, INVOLUNTARY CONFINEMENT. MENTAL ILLNESS AND HATRED PULLS THE...
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Now I wouldn't be in favor of just imprisoning every goof you see in the streets yelling at the clouds. But sometimes involuntary commitments are necessary. More often than not, they're done as way to curtail self-harm. And I think (or at least hope), this is what Trump is trying to say. That if someone makes a threat of suicide, and they could be involuntary committed for their own safety, then if someone makes a serious threat to others (like the "kill list" that the Ohio shooter), maybe they should be committed for the safety of others.
I can't imagine living in a world where someone could pick up the phone and say that I am mentally unstable and then I get a knock on the door and take me away.
To me THAT is Nazis Germany type shit. 1984 type shit.
Not for me please. The government will mess that good intention up really good.Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 061320180 -
He’d come back with Chik-A-Fila because of their anti-gay stance, yo.ikiT said:
Especially this gov't led by this demagogue ...yo he isn't qualified to make a Dunkin run.tempo_n_groove said:
I'm pretty sure China still rounds these people up too.Ledbetterman10 said:
I hear ya, and I think those are the type of people that Trump is talking about. But when the other poster spoke of "rounding up" people, it harkened back (for me anyway) to the Nazis who rounded up mentally and physically disabled people with no reason for it other than they were on Hitler's list of imperfect people.tempo_n_groove said:
Got it. When I think of mentally ill I don't think of autistic people but people with serious mental conditions, schizophrenia, bipolar. The ones I see roaming the streets and yelling at the passing cars.Ledbetterman10 said:
Not sure what you just sayin' here. If my city was inundated with what? Mentally ill individuals? If so, when I say "harmless mentally ill folks," I'm talking specially about people that have mental health disorders (autism, etc) but aren't threats to ever shoot a gun. Not the ones that are so dangerous that an involuntary commitment is needed for.tempo_n_groove said:
If your city was inundated with them you might feel different about that. Just sayin'.Ledbetterman10 said:
Involuntary commitment of mentally ill and dangerous individuals happens everyday. That’s different than rounding up any and all mentally ill folks like the Nazis did. I don’t think Trump meant that. But ya never know. If anyone would scapegoat harmless mentally ill folks for political reasons, I guess he’d be the guy.tempo_n_groove said:
So he does want to round them up.ikiT said:August 5, 2019
WE MUST REFORM OUR MENTAL HEALTH LAWS TO BETTER IDENTIFY MENTALLY DISTURBED INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY COMMIT ACTS OF VIOLENCE AND MAKE SURE THOSE PEOPLE NOT ONLY GET TREATMENT BUT, WHEN NECESSARY, INVOLUNTARY CONFINEMENT. MENTAL ILLNESS AND HATRED PULLS THE...
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Now I wouldn't be in favor of just imprisoning every goof you see in the streets yelling at the clouds. But sometimes involuntary commitments are necessary. More often than not, they're done as way to curtail self-harm. And I think (or at least hope), this is what Trump is trying to say. That if someone makes a threat of suicide, and they could be involuntary committed for their own safety, then if someone makes a serious threat to others (like the "kill list" that the Ohio shooter), maybe they should be committed for the safety of others.
I can't imagine living in a world where someone could pick up the phone and say that I am mentally unstable and then I get a knock on the door and take me away.
To me THAT is Nazis Germany type shit. 1984 type shit.
Not for me please. The government will mess that good intention up really good.
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Uncontrolled anger and rage would qualify as a mental illness. Intermittent Explosive Disorder would be the diagnosis.oftenreading said:A few of the individuals who have committed these mass shootings would be considered mentally ill, but most are not. Most violence, including serious mass violence, is due more to uncontrolled anger and rage, often fuelled by alcohol and drugs.
Other than stupid Trump, I don't think anyone is trying to foist any responsibility on to the mentally ill community. Or at least I'm not. I just think that they shouldn't be able to buy guns.oftenreading said:I have no problem with talking about ways to limit gun ownership and attempts to identify who poses the highest risk, but we have to remember that most of the time that isn’t someone who is mentally ill. Let’s not try to foist the responsibility for this issue onto the mentally ill; they have difficult enough burdens to carry.
If you murder a dozen strangers with an assault rifle for no reason, you're mentally ill.oftenreading said:Inevitably someone is going to say to this “you have to be mentally ill to kill people”. No, you don’t.
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China literally dropped the hammer in the trade war, devaluing the yuan. Mass correction happening, which is overdue. The reality is that the recession is here. -900 is pretty massive.
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The criteria for intermittent explosive disorder are specific and do not apply to the typical instances in which these shootings occur.Ledbetterman10 said:
Uncontrolled anger and rage would qualify as a mental illness. Intermittent Explosive Disorder would be the diagnosis.oftenreading said:A few of the individuals who have committed these mass shootings would be considered mentally ill, but most are not. Most violence, including serious mass violence, is due more to uncontrolled anger and rage, often fuelled by alcohol and drugs.
Other than stupid Trump, I don't think anyone is trying to foist any responsibility on to the mentally ill community. Or at least I'm not. I just think that they shouldn't be able to buy guns.oftenreading said:I have no problem with talking about ways to limit gun ownership and attempts to identify who poses the highest risk, but we have to remember that most of the time that isn’t someone who is mentally ill. Let’s not try to foist the responsibility for this issue onto the mentally ill; they have difficult enough burdens to carry.
If you murder a dozen strangers with an assault rifle for no reason, you're mentally ill.oftenreading said:Inevitably someone is going to say to this “you have to be mentally ill to kill people”. No, you don’t.
And once again, no, killing people does not a mental disorder make, as much as people would like it to be so.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
The act of saying that killing people means that you’re mentally ill is putting the responsibility for these killings on those who are mentally ill, because that’s how you’re defining it.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0
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Get them while they’re on sale!mrussel1 said:China literally dropped the hammer in the trade war, devaluing the yuan. Mass correction happening, which is overdue. The reality is that the recession is here. -900 is pretty massive.
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I think it's a bit early to by a buyer. I'm guessing there's another 2-3k to go, at least.PJPOWER said:
Get them while they’re on sale!mrussel1 said:China literally dropped the hammer in the trade war, devaluing the yuan. Mass correction happening, which is overdue. The reality is that the recession is here. -900 is pretty massive.
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Does not a mental disorder make? Sounds like something Niles would say on Frazier.oftenreading said:
The criteria for intermittent explosive disorder are specific and do not apply to the typical instances in which these shootings occur.Ledbetterman10 said:
Uncontrolled anger and rage would qualify as a mental illness. Intermittent Explosive Disorder would be the diagnosis.oftenreading said:A few of the individuals who have committed these mass shootings would be considered mentally ill, but most are not. Most violence, including serious mass violence, is due more to uncontrolled anger and rage, often fuelled by alcohol and drugs.
Other than stupid Trump, I don't think anyone is trying to foist any responsibility on to the mentally ill community. Or at least I'm not. I just think that they shouldn't be able to buy guns.oftenreading said:I have no problem with talking about ways to limit gun ownership and attempts to identify who poses the highest risk, but we have to remember that most of the time that isn’t someone who is mentally ill. Let’s not try to foist the responsibility for this issue onto the mentally ill; they have difficult enough burdens to carry.
If you murder a dozen strangers with an assault rifle for no reason, you're mentally ill.oftenreading said:Inevitably someone is going to say to this “you have to be mentally ill to kill people”. No, you don’t.
And once again, no, killing people does not a mental disorder make, as much as people would like it to be so.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. You think people that murder others for no reason are angry and fueled by alcohol and drugs, and I think they're fucking crazy. Not "crazy" in that they aren't able to control themselves. "Crazy" in that they've thought this out, planned it, and concluded that murdering a bunch of people is the best course of action for them. That's fucking crazy.
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As per the diagnostic criteria for IED, “these acts are impulsive and are not premeditated...”Ledbetterman10 said:
Uncontrolled anger and rage would qualify as a mental illness. Intermittent Explosive Disorder would be the diagnosis.oftenreading said:A few of the individuals who have committed these mass shootings would be considered mentally ill, but most are not. Most violence, including serious mass violence, is due more to uncontrolled anger and rage, often fuelled by alcohol and drugs.
Other than stupid Trump, I don't think anyone is trying to foist any responsibility on to the mentally ill community. Or at least I'm not. I just think that they shouldn't be able to buy guns.oftenreading said:I have no problem with talking about ways to limit gun ownership and attempts to identify who poses the highest risk, but we have to remember that most of the time that isn’t someone who is mentally ill. Let’s not try to foist the responsibility for this issue onto the mentally ill; they have difficult enough burdens to carry.
If you murder a dozen strangers with an assault rifle for no reason, you're mentally ill.oftenreading said:Inevitably someone is going to say to this “you have to be mentally ill to kill people”. No, you don’t.
Which eliminates any mass shooting for which the shooter planned, acquired weapons, traveled to a specific location, posted about online.... so essentially every recent mass shooting we have knowledge about.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Okay then. Rule out IED since it doesn't fit the criteria. But I still think that people that carry out these shootings are mentally ill. Even if the DSM doesn't have a specific diagnosis. A generic diagnosis of "fucking crazy" will do.
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I would qualify "voting for Donald Trump" as a sign of being mentally ill.
But maybe we can meet half way and just call them "sick in their racists little heads", and leave the mentally ill as a diagnose for when doctors actually decides that someone is mentally ill?"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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