Nirvana. Overrated?

pearljammr78
pearljammr78 Posts: 1,613
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My opinion is strictly that. My opinion.  But even though I like Nirvana and own their albums on vinyl, they seem to be overrated in my eyes. Kurt’s lyrics are nonsense for the most part. To me, I believe that Dave Grohl has a much bigger influence on the band than it has ever been said. Soundgarden, Tad, Alice In Chains, Kyuss, the Melvins and of course Pearl Jam are much more listened to in my house and I believe to be better bands than Nirvana. I think Nirvana was right place, right time but not as important as everyone seems to make them. Maybe I am wrong. But just my opinion. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,599
    Kurt Cobain is the best lyricist of the 90s after Tori Amos. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    Maybe right place and right time, but that time and place may have never existed without their Big Bang. Not a huge fan but their arrival in the mainstream was massive. 
  • pearljammr78
    pearljammr78 Posts: 1,613
    I don’t wanna downplay the movement they caused. I’m just saying as a band, they don’t seem to be as timeless as others from the same time range for listening. Making them overrated in my eyes. 
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  • deadendp
    deadendp Northeast Ohio Posts: 10,434
    I don't think they were overrated. Saw them at a Halloween show at the University of Akron in 1993. Kurt dressed as Barney. Someone whacked Kurt in the head with a Converse. He didn't miss a word. Went backstage, peed in the shoe then came out and returned it. (Dude had to prove it was his.) When we left the JAR, there was a freak snowstorm. Several inches of snow and dude had only one shoe. 

    Kurt died a handful of months later. Glad I was able to see them when I did. Wouldn't trade the show for anything and I would say that regardless of whether he was still living or not. 
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  • pearljammr78
    pearljammr78 Posts: 1,613
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Kurt Cobain is the best lyricist of the 90s after Tori Amos. 
    You forgot to put LOL after that. Cobain is quoted as saying he didn’t think lyrics mattered much. Don’t ask me where that is quoted. Way too many years of partying in my youth to remember where I saw that. Or if I ever did. Lol
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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    What’s timeless mean? They’re certainly still the most widely revered band of the era. 
  • pearljammr78
    pearljammr78 Posts: 1,613
    Timeless to me is something that is just as good now as when it came out. Pink Floyd, Zeppelin, countless other bands that still makes you rock just as hard. The riff to Back in Black. Timeless. Nirvana for me. Not so much. Teen Spirit doesn’t do move me like it’s the 90’s. But put on Dark Side of the Moon and I still get chills. VS, Vitalogy, No Code, Yield, still move me. Put on Brian of J and I still party like it’s 1999
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,599
    edited July 2019
    pearljammr78 said:
    Timeless to me is something that is just as good now as when it came out. Pink Floyd, Zeppelin, countless other bands that still makes you rock just as hard. The riff to Back in Black. Timeless. Nirvana for me. Not so much. Teen Spirit doesn’t do move me like it’s the 90’s. But put on Dark Side of the Moon and I still get chills. VS, Vitalogy, No Code, Yield, still move me. Put on Brian of J and I still party like it’s 1999
    Smells like Teen spirit its at 936 million views on youtube. November Rain has the most views of a 90s video and only to go over a billion.

    Let me know when the "timeless" Brain of J reaches one billion. 

    Haha. Teen Spirit is the song of the 90s and will never go away. It's timeless. Together with all of Nevermind.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • pearljammr78
    pearljammr78 Posts: 1,613
    edited July 2019
    Brain of J is a way better song than Teen Spirit. So is November Rain. Just because something is popular doesn’t make it good. Case in point, Justin Beiber, or 99% of rap music these days. Bro Country. Remember when that was the biggest selling thing in music. Popular and shit at the same time. How many albums did Jeff Buckley sell before he died. Now Grace is one of the best albums ever and sells really well. Once again, I don’t want to piss anyone off. Just stating my opinion. 

    Just for the record, I believe that In Utero is a better album than Nevermind. 

    Maybe is should have named this thread, Kurt Cobain- Overrated? Cause I love me some Dave Grohl on the drums anytime. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,599
    edited July 2019
    pearljammr78 said:
    Brain of J is a way better song than Teen Spirit. So is November Rain. Just because something is popular doesn’t make it good. Case in point, Justin Beiber, or 99% of rap music these days. Bro Country. Remember when that was the biggest selling thing in music. Popular and shit at the same time. How many albums did Jeff Buckley sell before he died. Now Grace is one of the best albums ever and sells really well. Once again, I don’t want to piss anyone off. Just stating my opinion. 
    I'm from Sweden, I have never had to be exposed to Country. Except for Shania Twain and that video where she wore that leopard coat. That didn't impress me much.
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,599
    I think Nirvanas crunchy, raw garage sound, sound as modern today as when it came out. 

    Compare it to Pearl Jams reverby early ninetees Ten.

    Noel agrees:
    https://youtu.be/oJGaziYNH1M

    "They start off as the album of the year, and then they never date"
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • pearljammr78
    pearljammr78 Posts: 1,613
    Noel likes everything when he’s coked out of his skull. It’s when he comes down, that’s when life gets real. Lol

    Shania Twain was hot back in the day. Don’t know about now. So was 90’s Faith Hill. Smokin!!!
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  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    They have a few songs that I really love. It just didn’t strike a chord with me overall.
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  • Attaway77
    Attaway77 Posts: 3,815
    edited July 2019
    Not overrated... Still enjoy cranking their music up, especially the live Paramount and Reading Festival. I've never been one of those guys who dives into lyrics, it's the sound of the instruments and that song that capture me first. If it sounds good to me, then I'll look into what the meaning is, if there even is one.... Noise first, words later...

    And a stupid side note, I can air guitar the shit out of a song, but left handed, not gonna happen (and I'm left handed). Kurt jams.....
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  • willbarclay
    willbarclay Ottawa, Canada Posts: 3,298
    Nirvana is not my cup of tea at all. Couple songs are ok. Not something I could see myself listening to when I’m 64 

  • RS151862
    RS151862 Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 2,727
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    pearljammr78 said:
    Brain of J is a way better song than Teen Spirit. So is November Rain. Just because something is popular doesn’t make it good. Case in point, Justin Beiber, or 99% of rap music these days. Bro Country. Remember when that was the biggest selling thing in music. Popular and shit at the same time. How many albums did Jeff Buckley sell before he died. Now Grace is one of the best albums ever and sells really well. Once again, I don’t want to piss anyone off. Just stating my opinion. 
    I'm from Sweden, I have never had to be exposed to Country. Except for Shania Twain and that video where she wore that leopard coat. That didn't impress me much.
    This is great comment. 
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  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    I couldn't disagree more.
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  • manitouman
    manitouman In My Head Posts: 1,088
    I didn't really catch on to their music much but their unplugged performance is fantastic!!
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  • Attaway77
    Attaway77 Posts: 3,815
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  • Zod
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    I think Nirvana's mix of punk and rock, and playing it hard was pretty refreshing in the early 90s.   Went from hair metal to that, it was definitely a change of pace.  It's when people call Nirvana influential I take issue.  What did they influence?  Most of the post grunge bands were more water down version of PJ trying to copy Eddie's vocals from Ten. 

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