Where would you rather live the US or Sweden

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

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mrussel1 said:

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josevolution said:

Meltdown99 said:

josevolution said:

Please there’s hundreds of children being held in cages at the border for months on end , I’m not talking adults just the kids what crimes have they’ve committed ?

There is an entire immigration thread to discuss that.  To answer your question, they have not...they are victims of irresponsible parents and government.

Really I must of missed that threat , people are being held just the same the lol people get killed here just for being black the US should not be holding its nose up to the world as a Becon of justice that’s all ..

Jose - there's a big difference between what is acceptable vs. unacceptable.  I think that's the point that's being made.  According to SC, this is appropriate under Swedish law.  Some of us think that's outrageous.  What you're pointing to are people that are doing things outside what is acceptable under the law.  

So why should you be taken into custody when charged? You have not been proven guilty yet?

Innocent until proven guilty?

SOVIET UNION 1950!

It's called probable cause, again a tenant of common law.  Then a magistrate or judge sets bail or bond, something within state guidelines typically.  

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In the criminal code of some European countries, notably Sweden, probable cause is a higher level of suspicion than "justifiable grounds" in a two level system of formal suspicion. The latter refers only to the suspect being able to and sometimes having a motive to commit the crime and in some cases witness accounts, whereas probable cause generally requires a higher degree of physical evidence and allows for longer periods of detention before trial.

So, what is the big difference other than semantics? 

In Sweden a court finds that there is probable cause and that the person which has probable cause is suspected to harm the investigation against him/her or flee from being interrogated/trial etc - he can be put in detention. Otherwise they are set free, and the investigation might show they are innocent or a trial will be set.

1. What happens if a person is suspected of harming the investigation in the US? Or are at risk of fleeing?

2. What happens if a person is suspected of assault, and a bail/bond is set but he is slaving at 2-3 jobs for 8 dollars per hour, with no right to vacation and a wife who's expecting but won't have any right to maternity leave --  and cannot afford the bail/bond? ASAP could afford his bail obviously, but what happens with the ones who can't afford it?

Judges don't determine probable cause at the time of arrest, unless we're talking about the issuance of a warrant.   The officer has cause and makes the arrest.  A person is booked.  They then go in front of a judge or magistrate who sets the bail based on 1. the crime 2. access to funds 3. likelihood of fleeing 4. likelihood of committing another crime.  If you don't have the money, then you go to a bail bondsmen who will provide funds for collateral (car, mortgage note, etc.).  

What if he's homeless or have not one dime, then the bail is $0?

And :

1. What happens if a person is suspected of harming the investigation in the US? Or are at risk of fleeing?

Noting if they aren’t charged with a crime. Being held while they decide whether or not to charge you is a few day thing at most in the US. Not a few week thing.

lastexitlondon said:

I have a nice story 
Me and my tour buddy went to albany ny
To see pearl jam. We hired a car at jfk and drove. Got lost in the bronx when leaving queens . Got scared and just drove.
Any way i digress.
We parked up in albany on a parking meter and went for food. 
On our return a note was on our car.
"Hi my english friends, i paid the correct amout for your parking as you hadn't  paid enough, hope you enjoy your stay"
A kind soul had noticed we were  english and clueless.
Stuck with me. Good folk