Where would you rather live the US or Sweden

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chao

 

Yeah right

You ask why a small business can't afford vacation.  How can he answer that without knowing the p&l?  
And how do you know there weren't Swedish businesses that went down or didn't start because of that law,  in part? Your unemployment rate is double the US. Maybe it would be lower if the business environment didn't have onerous requirements? What good is 2 weeks if you're unemployed?

LOL.  You are getting your vacation at that point.  The States can still legislate 2 weeks, does not have to be paid.

What's the point of that?  There would be a ton of lost wages that possibly couldn't be made up. 

Yeah, that's no good and completely defies the point.

I don't know if that's true or not.  I worked in the restaurant industry early in my life and there's some value with being able to take off, even unpaid,  without fear if never being on the schedule again. 

I consider employers who refuse to grant unpaid leave another issue altogether.

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chao

 

Yeah right

You ask why a small business can't afford vacation.  How can he answer that without knowing the p&l?  
And how do you know there weren't Swedish businesses that went down or didn't start because of that law,  in part? Your unemployment rate is double the US. Maybe it would be lower if the business environment didn't have onerous requirements? What good is 2 weeks if you're unemployed?

LOL.  You are getting your vacation at that point.  The States can still legislate 2 weeks, does not have to be paid.

What's the point of that?  There would be a ton of lost wages that possibly couldn't be made up. 

Yeah, that's no good and completely defies the point.

I don't know if that's true or not.  I worked in the restaurant industry early in my life and there's some value with being able to take off, even unpaid,  without fear if never being on the schedule again. 

I consider employers who refuse to grant unpaid leave another issue altogether.

In the US, we have FMLA. If someone just doesn't want a shift for a few weeks,  it's up to the company whether they want to keep them or not.  A restaurant has to staff their shifts. 

Of course they do. Normally unpaid leave would be negotiated and schedules would be worked with so that an unpaid leave can reasonably be accommodated. I don't think the idea of consider it "vacation" is a good idea at all. They are two different things in the context of this conversation about paid vacation.

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chao

 

Yeah right

You ask why a small business can't afford vacation.  How can he answer that without knowing the p&l?  
And how do you know there weren't Swedish businesses that went down or didn't start because of that law,  in part? Your unemployment rate is double the US. Maybe it would be lower if the business environment didn't have onerous requirements? What good is 2 weeks if you're unemployed?

LOL.  You are getting your vacation at that point.  The States can still legislate 2 weeks, does not have to be paid.

What's the point of that?  There would be a ton of lost wages that possibly couldn't be made up. 

Yeah, that's no good and completely defies the point.

I don't know if that's true or not.  I worked in the restaurant industry early in my life and there's some value with being able to take off, even unpaid,  without fear if never being on the schedule again. 

I consider employers who refuse to grant unpaid leave another issue altogether.

In the US, we have FMLA. If someone just doesn't want a shift for a few weeks,  it's up to the company whether they want to keep them or not.  A restaurant has to staff their shifts. 

Of course they do. Normally unpaid leave would be negotiated and schedules would be worked with so that an unpaid leave can reasonably be accommodated. I don't think the idea of consider it "vacation" is a good idea at all. They are two different things in the context of this conversation about paid vacation.

So in Canada,  are restaurants required to provide two weeks of paid vacation? How many hours a week do you have to work to qualify?

At approx $2-3 an hour how much of a paid vacation is it really?

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chao

 

Yeah right

You ask why a small business can't afford vacation.  How can he answer that without knowing the p&l?  
And how do you know there weren't Swedish businesses that went down or didn't start because of that law,  in part? Your unemployment rate is double the US. Maybe it would be lower if the business environment didn't have onerous requirements? What good is 2 weeks if you're unemployed?

LOL.  You are getting your vacation at that point.  The States can still legislate 2 weeks, does not have to be paid.

What's the point of that?  There would be a ton of lost wages that possibly couldn't be made up. 

Yeah, that's no good and completely defies the point.

I don't know if that's true or not.  I worked in the restaurant industry early in my life and there's some value with being able to take off, even unpaid,  without fear if never being on the schedule again. 

I consider employers who refuse to grant unpaid leave another issue altogether.

In the US, we have FMLA. If someone just doesn't want a shift for a few weeks,  it's up to the company whether they want to keep them or not.  A restaurant has to staff their shifts. 

Of course they do. Normally unpaid leave would be negotiated and schedules would be worked with so that an unpaid leave can reasonably be accommodated. I don't think the idea of consider it "vacation" is a good idea at all. They are two different things in the context of this conversation about paid vacation.

So in Canada,  are restaurants required to provide two weeks of paid vacation? How many hours a week do you have to work to qualify?

At approx $2-3 an hour how much of a paid vacation is it really?

It's not just servers,  but presumably you'd have to pay some average declared amount?

Like something in the ball park of $500 a week?  I'm assuming wait staff make at a minimum of $100 a shift?  I honestly have no clue.

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chao

 

Yeah right

You ask why a small business can't afford vacation.  How can he answer that without knowing the p&l?  
And how do you know there weren't Swedish businesses that went down or didn't start because of that law,  in part? Your unemployment rate is double the US. Maybe it would be lower if the business environment didn't have onerous requirements? What good is 2 weeks if you're unemployed?

LOL.  You are getting your vacation at that point.  The States can still legislate 2 weeks, does not have to be paid.

What's the point of that?  There would be a ton of lost wages that possibly couldn't be made up. 

Yeah, that's no good and completely defies the point.

I don't know if that's true or not.  I worked in the restaurant industry early in my life and there's some value with being able to take off, even unpaid,  without fear if never being on the schedule again. 

I consider employers who refuse to grant unpaid leave another issue altogether.

In the US, we have FMLA. If someone just doesn't want a shift for a few weeks,  it's up to the company whether they want to keep them or not.  A restaurant has to staff their shifts. 

Of course they do. Normally unpaid leave would be negotiated and schedules would be worked with so that an unpaid leave can reasonably be accommodated. I don't think the idea of consider it "vacation" is a good idea at all. They are two different things in the context of this conversation about paid vacation.

So in Canada,  are restaurants required to provide two weeks of paid vacation? How many hours a week do you have to work to qualify?

At approx $2-3 an hour how much of a paid vacation is it really?

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chao

 

Yeah right

You ask why a small business can't afford vacation.  How can he answer that without knowing the p&l?  
And how do you know there weren't Swedish businesses that went down or didn't start because of that law,  in part? Your unemployment rate is double the US. Maybe it would be lower if the business environment didn't have onerous requirements? What good is 2 weeks if you're unemployed?

LOL.  You are getting your vacation at that point.  The States can still legislate 2 weeks, does not have to be paid.

What's the point of that?  There would be a ton of lost wages that possibly couldn't be made up. 

Yeah, that's no good and completely defies the point.

I don't know if that's true or not.  I worked in the restaurant industry early in my life and there's some value with being able to take off, even unpaid,  without fear if never being on the schedule again. 

I consider employers who refuse to grant unpaid leave another issue altogether.

In the US, we have FMLA. If someone just doesn't want a shift for a few weeks,  it's up to the company whether they want to keep them or not.  A restaurant has to staff their shifts. 

Of course they do. Normally unpaid leave would be negotiated and schedules would be worked with so that an unpaid leave can reasonably be accommodated. I don't think the idea of consider it "vacation" is a good idea at all. They are two different things in the context of this conversation about paid vacation.

So in Canada,  are restaurants required to provide two weeks of paid vacation? How many hours a week do you have to work to qualify?

At approx $2-3 an hour how much of a paid vacation is it really?

Why would it only be $2-3 per hour? 

Tipped employees like servers make $2.13 per hour as the base FLSA rate.  And then at the end of each night, they have to claim how much they made in tips.  If that amount doesn't meet the min wage for that employee type by state (ranges from like 8-15 bucks per hour) then the business has make up the rest.  Now servers try not to claim the full amount, so they pay less in taxes, so they sort of walk a tight rope.  It used to be easier to cheat the gov't when cash was more common.  Now it's credit, so it's dangerous.  

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chao

 

Yeah right

You ask why a small business can't afford vacation.  How can he answer that without knowing the p&l?  
And how do you know there weren't Swedish businesses that went down or didn't start because of that law,  in part? Your unemployment rate is double the US. Maybe it would be lower if the business environment didn't have onerous requirements? What good is 2 weeks if you're unemployed?

LOL.  You are getting your vacation at that point.  The States can still legislate 2 weeks, does not have to be paid.

What's the point of that?  There would be a ton of lost wages that possibly couldn't be made up. 

Yeah, that's no good and completely defies the point.

I don't know if that's true or not.  I worked in the restaurant industry early in my life and there's some value with being able to take off, even unpaid,  without fear if never being on the schedule again. 

I consider employers who refuse to grant unpaid leave another issue altogether.

In the US, we have FMLA. If someone just doesn't want a shift for a few weeks,  it's up to the company whether they want to keep them or not.  A restaurant has to staff their shifts. 

Of course they do. Normally unpaid leave would be negotiated and schedules would be worked with so that an unpaid leave can reasonably be accommodated. I don't think the idea of consider it "vacation" is a good idea at all. They are two different things in the context of this conversation about paid vacation.

So in Canada,  are restaurants required to provide two weeks of paid vacation? How many hours a week do you have to work to qualify?

At approx $2-3 an hour how much of a paid vacation is it really?

Why would it only be $2-3 per hour? 

Tipped employees like servers make $2.13 per hour as the base FLSA rate.  And then at the end of each night, they have to claim how much they made in tips.  If that amount doesn't meet the min wage for that employee type by state (ranges from like 8-15 bucks per hour) then the business has make up the rest.  Now servers try not to claim the full amount, so they pay less in taxes, so they sort of walk a tight rope.  It used to be easier to cheat the gov't when cash was more common.  Now it's credit, so it's dangerous.  

That’s ridiculous. Restaurant workers in BC have to get minimum wage, before tips. 
 

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chao

 

Yeah right

You ask why a small business can't afford vacation.  How can he answer that without knowing the p&l?  
And how do you know there weren't Swedish businesses that went down or didn't start because of that law,  in part? Your unemployment rate is double the US. Maybe it would be lower if the business environment didn't have onerous requirements? What good is 2 weeks if you're unemployed?

LOL.  You are getting your vacation at that point.  The States can still legislate 2 weeks, does not have to be paid.

What's the point of that?  There would be a ton of lost wages that possibly couldn't be made up. 

Yeah, that's no good and completely defies the point.

I don't know if that's true or not.  I worked in the restaurant industry early in my life and there's some value with being able to take off, even unpaid,  without fear if never being on the schedule again. 

I consider employers who refuse to grant unpaid leave another issue altogether.

In the US, we have FMLA. If someone just doesn't want a shift for a few weeks,  it's up to the company whether they want to keep them or not.  A restaurant has to staff their shifts. 

Of course they do. Normally unpaid leave would be negotiated and schedules would be worked with so that an unpaid leave can reasonably be accommodated. I don't think the idea of consider it "vacation" is a good idea at all. They are two different things in the context of this conversation about paid vacation.

So in Canada,  are restaurants required to provide two weeks of paid vacation? How many hours a week do you have to work to qualify?

At approx $2-3 an hour how much of a paid vacation is it really?

Why would it only be $2-3 per hour? 

Tipped employees like servers make $2.13 per hour as the base FLSA rate.  And then at the end of each night, they have to claim how much they made in tips.  If that amount doesn't meet the min wage for that employee type by state (ranges from like 8-15 bucks per hour) then the business has make up the rest.  Now servers try not to claim the full amount, so they pay less in taxes, so they sort of walk a tight rope.  It used to be easier to cheat the gov't when cash was more common.  Now it's credit, so it's dangerous.  

That’s ridiculous. Restaurant workers in BC have to get minimum wage, before tips. 
 

Servers in BC don't get the same minimum wage, they have a lower one according to this source.  https://www.narcity.com/life/heres-how-much-a-server-is-getting-paid-per-hour-by-province-in-canada

Yes, that’s looks correct; my first search was too general. Still, slightly over $10/hr is a far cry from $2-3/hr. 

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chao

 

Yeah right

You ask why a small business can't afford vacation.  How can he answer that without knowing the p&l?  
And how do you know there weren't Swedish businesses that went down or didn't start because of that law,  in part? Your unemployment rate is double the US. Maybe it would be lower if the business environment didn't have onerous requirements? What good is 2 weeks if you're unemployed?

LOL.  You are getting your vacation at that point.  The States can still legislate 2 weeks, does not have to be paid.

What's the point of that?  There would be a ton of lost wages that possibly couldn't be made up. 

Yeah, that's no good and completely defies the point.

I don't know if that's true or not.  I worked in the restaurant industry early in my life and there's some value with being able to take off, even unpaid,  without fear if never being on the schedule again. 

I consider employers who refuse to grant unpaid leave another issue altogether.

In the US, we have FMLA. If someone just doesn't want a shift for a few weeks,  it's up to the company whether they want to keep them or not.  A restaurant has to staff their shifts. 

Of course they do. Normally unpaid leave would be negotiated and schedules would be worked with so that an unpaid leave can reasonably be accommodated. I don't think the idea of consider it "vacation" is a good idea at all. They are two different things in the context of this conversation about paid vacation.

So in Canada,  are restaurants required to provide two weeks of paid vacation? How many hours a week do you have to work to qualify?

At approx $2-3 an hour how much of a paid vacation is it really?

Why would it only be $2-3 per hour? 

Tipped employees like servers make $2.13 per hour as the base FLSA rate.  And then at the end of each night, they have to claim how much they made in tips.  If that amount doesn't meet the min wage for that employee type by state (ranges from like 8-15 bucks per hour) then the business has make up the rest.  Now servers try not to claim the full amount, so they pay less in taxes, so they sort of walk a tight rope.  It used to be easier to cheat the gov't when cash was more common.  Now it's credit, so it's dangerous.  

That’s ridiculous. Restaurant workers in BC have to get minimum wage, before tips. 
 

Servers in BC don't get the same minimum wage, they have a lower one according to this source.  https://www.narcity.com/life/heres-how-much-a-server-is-getting-paid-per-hour-by-province-in-canada

Yes, that’s looks correct; my first search was too general. Still, slightly over $10/hr is a far cry from $2-3/hr. 

What do you usually tip in Canada for a meal?  

Can’t speak for everyone but I usually tip at least 20%, even at counter service places. I put myself through university working in food service and my kid is working at as a server at this very minute, so I know how hard the work is. In my mind, if someone can’t afford to tip properly they shouldn’t be going out for dinner. 
 

bbiggs said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chao

 

Yeah right

You ask why a small business can't afford vacation.  How can he answer that without knowing the p&l?  
And how do you know there weren't Swedish businesses that went down or didn't start because of that law,  in part? Your unemployment rate is double the US. Maybe it would be lower if the business environment didn't have onerous requirements? What good is 2 weeks if you're unemployed?

LOL.  You are getting your vacation at that point.  The States can still legislate 2 weeks, does not have to be paid.

What's the point of that?  There would be a ton of lost wages that possibly couldn't be made up. 

Yeah, that's no good and completely defies the point.

I don't know if that's true or not.  I worked in the restaurant industry early in my life and there's some value with being able to take off, even unpaid,  without fear if never being on the schedule again. 

I consider employers who refuse to grant unpaid leave another issue altogether.

In the US, we have FMLA. If someone just doesn't want a shift for a few weeks,  it's up to the company whether they want to keep them or not.  A restaurant has to staff their shifts. 

Of course they do. Normally unpaid leave would be negotiated and schedules would be worked with so that an unpaid leave can reasonably be accommodated. I don't think the idea of consider it "vacation" is a good idea at all. They are two different things in the context of this conversation about paid vacation.

So in Canada,  are restaurants required to provide two weeks of paid vacation? How many hours a week do you have to work to qualify?

At approx $2-3 an hour how much of a paid vacation is it really?

Why would it only be $2-3 per hour? 

Tipped employees like servers make $2.13 per hour as the base FLSA rate.  And then at the end of each night, they have to claim how much they made in tips.  If that amount doesn't meet the min wage for that employee type by state (ranges from like 8-15 bucks per hour) then the business has make up the rest.  Now servers try not to claim the full amount, so they pay less in taxes, so they sort of walk a tight rope.  It used to be easier to cheat the gov't when cash was more common.  Now it's credit, so it's dangerous.  

That’s ridiculous. Restaurant workers in BC have to get minimum wage, before tips. 
 

Servers in BC don't get the same minimum wage, they have a lower one according to this source.  https://www.narcity.com/life/heres-how-much-a-server-is-getting-paid-per-hour-by-province-in-canada

Yes, that’s looks correct; my first search was too general. Still, slightly over $10/hr is a far cry from $2-3/hr. 

What do you usually tip in Canada for a meal?  

Can’t speak for everyone but I usually tip at least 20%, even at counter service places. I put myself through university working in food service and my kid is working at as a server at this very minute, so I know how hard the work is. In my mind, if someone can’t afford to tip properly they shouldn’t be going out for dinner. 
 

100% agree.  That's part of the cost of the meal.  I don't feel obligated to tip the dude at Subway though. 

Same. I feel like I see tip jars everywhere now. I don’t tip the dude who rolls my burrito at chipotle or the person who hands me a scoop of ice cream . Just can’t do it.