Where would you rather live the US or Sweden

bbiggs

U.S.A.

oftenreading said:

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mrussel1 said:

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mcgruff10 said:

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PJ_Soul said:

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Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chao

 

Yeah right

You ask why a small business can't afford vacation.  How can he answer that without knowing the p&l?  
And how do you know there weren't Swedish businesses that went down or didn't start because of that law,  in part? Your unemployment rate is double the US. Maybe it would be lower if the business environment didn't have onerous requirements? What good is 2 weeks if you're unemployed?

LOL.  You are getting your vacation at that point.  The States can still legislate 2 weeks, does not have to be paid.

What's the point of that?  There would be a ton of lost wages that possibly couldn't be made up. 

Yeah, that's no good and completely defies the point.

I don't know if that's true or not.  I worked in the restaurant industry early in my life and there's some value with being able to take off, even unpaid,  without fear if never being on the schedule again. 

I consider employers who refuse to grant unpaid leave another issue altogether.

In the US, we have FMLA. If someone just doesn't want a shift for a few weeks,  it's up to the company whether they want to keep them or not.  A restaurant has to staff their shifts. 

Of course they do. Normally unpaid leave would be negotiated and schedules would be worked with so that an unpaid leave can reasonably be accommodated. I don't think the idea of consider it "vacation" is a good idea at all. They are two different things in the context of this conversation about paid vacation.

So in Canada,  are restaurants required to provide two weeks of paid vacation? How many hours a week do you have to work to qualify?

At approx $2-3 an hour how much of a paid vacation is it really?

Why would it only be $2-3 per hour? 

Tipped employees like servers make $2.13 per hour as the base FLSA rate.  And then at the end of each night, they have to claim how much they made in tips.  If that amount doesn't meet the min wage for that employee type by state (ranges from like 8-15 bucks per hour) then the business has make up the rest.  Now servers try not to claim the full amount, so they pay less in taxes, so they sort of walk a tight rope.  It used to be easier to cheat the gov't when cash was more common.  Now it's credit, so it's dangerous.  

That’s ridiculous. Restaurant workers in BC have to get minimum wage, before tips. 
 

Servers in BC don't get the same minimum wage, they have a lower one according to this source.  https://www.narcity.com/life/heres-how-much-a-server-is-getting-paid-per-hour-by-province-in-canada

Yes, that’s looks correct; my first search was too general. Still, slightly over $10/hr is a far cry from $2-3/hr. 

What do you usually tip in Canada for a meal?  

Can’t speak for everyone but I usually tip at least 20%, even at counter service places. I put myself through university working in food service and my kid is working at as a server at this very minute, so I know how hard the work is. In my mind, if someone can’t afford to tip properly they shouldn’t be going out for dinner. 
 

100% agree.  That's part of the cost of the meal.  I don't feel obligated to tip the dude at Subway though. 

Same. I feel like I see tip jars everywhere now. I don’t tip the dude who rolls my burrito at chipotle or the person who hands me a scoop of ice cream . Just can’t do it.

I do, or at least I would if I ate at Chipotle. The people working at those jobs might need it more than most.  
 

I hear you, but where does it end? I tip very well when I’m served at a restaurant. But walking through the line at chipotle is not being served food. I feel like I’ll have to tip the cashier at the grocery store soon for scanning my groceries. Same concept in my opinion.

bbiggs

U.S.A.

^ plus there are multiple people preparing my burrito. Should I tip them all? That would be one expensive burrito. 

oftenreading

bbiggs said:

^ plus there are multiple people preparing my burrito. Should I tip them all? That would be one expensive burrito. 

They tip out, I imagine 

mrussel1

U.S.A.

I have no issues that the jars are there,  and I'll tip them. But with servers,  it's a social obligation,  whereas the chipotle workers feels closer to charity. 

lastexitlondon

Anywhere other than planet earth

We dont tip in uk. Its very rare

drakeheuer14

U.S.A.

Tips shouldn’t be a thing or customary at all. Stupid practice all around. It’s unfortunate that it is a thing really.

Meltdown99

Canada

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chao

 

Yeah right

You ask why a small business can't afford vacation.  How can he answer that without knowing the p&l?  
And how do you know there weren't Swedish businesses that went down or didn't start because of that law,  in part? Your unemployment rate is double the US. Maybe it would be lower if the business environment didn't have onerous requirements? What good is 2 weeks if you're unemployed?

LOL.  You are getting your vacation at that point.  The States can still legislate 2 weeks, does not have to be paid.

What's the point of that?  There would be a ton of lost wages that possibly couldn't be made up. 

In Ontario, every employee is entitled to two weeks paid each year.  People taking a vacation is far harmful to the economy.  Most vacations are taken in the summer and the employers replace people who are off on vacation with students...therefore...people on vacation are out spending money taking trips or whatever and there are jobs for students who need the money.

Do not take this the wrong way, you are a teacher? correct.  I find it ironic that a teacher who gets Christmas off, a winter break and summers off wanting to deny someone 2 weeks unpaid a year.  What is the matter with your thinking?

Meltdown99

Canada

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chao

 

Yeah right

You ask why a small business can't afford vacation.  How can he answer that without knowing the p&l?  
And how do you know there weren't Swedish businesses that went down or didn't start because of that law,  in part? Your unemployment rate is double the US. Maybe it would be lower if the business environment didn't have onerous requirements? What good is 2 weeks if you're unemployed?

LOL.  You are getting your vacation at that point.  The States can still legislate 2 weeks, does not have to be paid.

What's the point of that?  There would be a ton of lost wages that possibly couldn't be made up. 

Yeah, that's no good and completely defies the point.

I don't know if that's true or not.  I worked in the restaurant industry early in my life and there's some value with being able to take off, even unpaid,  without fear if never being on the schedule again. 

I consider employers who refuse to grant unpaid leave another issue altogether.

In the US, we have FMLA. If someone just doesn't want a shift for a few weeks,  it's up to the company whether they want to keep them or not.  A restaurant has to staff their shifts. 

Of course they do. Normally unpaid leave would be negotiated and schedules would be worked with so that an unpaid leave can reasonably be accommodated. I don't think the idea of consider it "vacation" is a good idea at all. They are two different things in the context of this conversation about paid vacation.

So in Canada,  are restaurants required to provide two weeks of paid vacation? How many hours a week do you have to work to qualify?

Vacation time is set by the province.  In Ontario, after a year on the job, we are entitled to 2 weeks paid each year.

Meltdown99

Canada

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chao

 

Yeah right

You ask why a small business can't afford vacation.  How can he answer that without knowing the p&l?  
And how do you know there weren't Swedish businesses that went down or didn't start because of that law,  in part? Your unemployment rate is double the US. Maybe it would be lower if the business environment didn't have onerous requirements? What good is 2 weeks if you're unemployed?

LOL.  You are getting your vacation at that point.  The States can still legislate 2 weeks, does not have to be paid.

What's the point of that?  There would be a ton of lost wages that possibly couldn't be made up. 

Yeah, that's no good and completely defies the point.

I don't know if that's true or not.  I worked in the restaurant industry early in my life and there's some value with being able to take off, even unpaid,  without fear if never being on the schedule again. 

I consider employers who refuse to grant unpaid leave another issue altogether.

In the US, we have FMLA. If someone just doesn't want a shift for a few weeks,  it's up to the company whether they want to keep them or not.  A restaurant has to staff their shifts. 

Of course they do. Normally unpaid leave would be negotiated and schedules would be worked with so that an unpaid leave can reasonably be accommodated. I don't think the idea of consider it "vacation" is a good idea at all. They are two different things in the context of this conversation about paid vacation.

So in Canada,  are restaurants required to provide two weeks of paid vacation? How many hours a week do you have to work to qualify?

At approx $2-3 an hour how much of a paid vacation is it really?

Servers in Canada make more than that...jeesh...

brianlux

Anywhere other than planet earth

I was talking to a young couple I know who are living in Sweden while finishing up with schooling (advanced degrees).  They were home in the states for a visit and were describing life in Sweden.  As they went along in their descriptions I kept thinking, "Uh huh... OK... cool... very cool... sweet!..."

...and then they got to the part where they were talking about the food over there.  No way, thank you very much!

Meltdown99

Canada

brianlux said:

I was talking to a young couple I know who are living in Sweden while finishing up with schooling (advanced degrees).  They were home in the states for a visit and were describing life in Sweden.  As they went along in their descriptions I kept thinking, "Uh huh... OK... cool... very cool... sweet!..."

...and then they got to the part where they were talking about the food over there.  No way, thank you very much!

What is wrong with their food??

JPPJ84

Sweden

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

I was talking to a young couple I know who are living in Sweden while finishing up with schooling (advanced degrees).  They were home in the states for a visit and were describing life in Sweden.  As they went along in their descriptions I kept thinking, "Uh huh... OK... cool... very cool... sweet!..."

...and then they got to the part where they were talking about the food over there.  No way, thank you very much!

What is wrong with their food??

Too healthy maybe?

lastexitlondon

Anywhere other than planet earth

It is very pickled and fishy to some

eddiec

U.S.A.

I've lived in both Europe and the United States. Europe on the whole definitely has a better paid vacation scheme.
Having said that, Americans seem to have a harder work ethic. I think it's ingrained into us from a young age. (Probably 2nd in the world to the Japanese) Whether this is a good thing or not is debatable. When we look at the overall quality of life, I find it unacceptable to only have two weeks off a year. It's certainly a reason for the low passport holder rates among Americans. If you only have two weeks, broken up a week at a time, it is a major deterrent to travel outside of your country when you're losing two of the seven days to travel time.

Halifax2TheMax

Percentage of Americans who say they are dissatisfied with “the way things are going in the United States” : 63

Rank of Americans among nationalities most likely to say their country is the 
best in the world : 1

https://harpers.org/archive/2019/08/harpers-index-august-2019/

JPPJ84

Sweden

Halifax2TheMax said:

Percentage of Americans who say they are dissatisfied with “the way things are going in the United States” : 63

Rank of Americans among nationalities most likely to say their country is the 
best in the world : 1

https://harpers.org/archive/2019/08/harpers-index-august-2019/

Nice name! One of my favorite boots... wish I could have been there!

brianlux

Anywhere other than planet earth

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

I was talking to a young couple I know who are living in Sweden while finishing up with schooling (advanced degrees).  They were home in the states for a visit and were describing life in Sweden.  As they went along in their descriptions I kept thinking, "Uh huh... OK... cool... very cool... sweet!..."

...and then they got to the part where they were talking about the food over there.  No way, thank you very much!

What is wrong with their food??

  Limited selection, high cost.  I'm not sure if that means it's because they don't import a lot of stuff which is not a bad thing.  It's better to eat what grows locally in terms of using fewer resources/ energy.  I'd rather have more fresh produce myself.

Meltdown99

Canada

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

I was talking to a young couple I know who are living in Sweden while finishing up with schooling (advanced degrees).  They were home in the states for a visit and were describing life in Sweden.  As they went along in their descriptions I kept thinking, "Uh huh... OK... cool... very cool... sweet!..."

...and then they got to the part where they were talking about the food over there.  No way, thank you very much!

What is wrong with their food??

  Limited selection, high cost.  I'm not sure if that means it's because they don't import a lot of stuff which is not a bad thing.  It's better to eat what grows locally in terms of using fewer resources/ energy.  I'd rather have more fresh produce myself.

That makes sense.  Yes, I like fresh as well...

Spiritual_Chaos

Canada

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

I was talking to a young couple I know who are living in Sweden while finishing up with schooling (advanced degrees).  They were home in the states for a visit and were describing life in Sweden.  As they went along in their descriptions I kept thinking, "Uh huh... OK... cool... very cool... sweet!..."

...and then they got to the part where they were talking about the food over there.  No way, thank you very much!

What is wrong with their food??

  Limited selection, high cost.  I'm not sure if that means it's because they don't import a lot of stuff which is not a bad thing.  It's better to eat what grows locally in terms of using fewer resources/ energy.  I'd rather have more fresh produce myself.

What city do they live in? Are we talking supermarket-wise or restaurant-wise?

Spiritual_Chaos

Canada

brianlux said:

the food over there.  No way, thank you very much!