zippo flipping

Kel Varnsen wrote:

Why should it be up to you, me or anyone else to judge what someone does with something they own, and say they can or can't sell it. It shouldn't matter whether they have owned it for 10 years or 10 minutes, if they own it, it is theirs to do with as they please.

But wouldnt you agree, that ONE, coming to THIS board to advertise what you are doing is in bad taste, and TWO, it should be expected that one would take a rash of shit for coming here to do it? I too could give two shits what someone wants to do with their stuff...Posters, tickets, zippos, WHATEVER...But coming to a the bands official message board is bound to ruffle a few feathers, right wrong, or indiffernt...call people elitist, call them defenders, call them what you will, but here, it should be EXPECTED that this kind of thing is seriously frowned upon, and you should take what you get.......imho

On second thought, there is probably no real way to limit one being able to flip these limited items immediately on eBay when you think about it realistically. There are probably so many "couples" that attend these shows who intentionally (and legally by the 1 per individual rule) buy two posters with the thought of flipping one for profit while keeping the other for their own collection. It's just too hard to control, even with the best efforts.

And as I said earlier, eBay flippers are making a poor man's profit. I went to the site to see what the highest amount that a poster was being listed/bidded for and it was only at $505...lol! And not saying that a $485 profit is chump change, but when you factor in that the person has to deal with packaging it up, setting up the delivery and all that..I'd much rather go play some live NL cash game and earn that same amount in a few hours time personally.

Peace,

RM

Foxy Mop wrote:

I agree w/someone back on page two or so...

The original poster is just trying to be a schmoe and get everyone in a ruckus. Clearly the pic he posted is Photoshopped, which is icing on the 'dig' cake.

I think most people here will help out their fellow Jammers. I know for certain that there are those out there trying to hook up friends with any extras they can get.

People will flip, it's inevitable. This dude is here to provoke and is probably sitting back laughing at all the debate he's caused.

Crap threads like this make me wonder why people let the provocateurs of the world get under their skin.. forget them! Karma will always pay it forward

99% agreement, only thing, i would have changed "schmoe" to asshole, dickhead or maybe shit disturber.

I'd wager that these and up in the goods section in the future anyway.

Kel Varnsen wrote:

Of course the other way to look at it is if someone has something that a ton of Pearl Jam fans might be interested in owning, what better place to mention it than the offical message board.

Completely opposite of my point...:)...Not trying to look at it from that side. Was making a point about him taking shit for coming here to do it.

Red Mosqito wrote:

Dude! Not everything is so "black & white" like you make it sound. I understand your points, but the sneakers and dress analogy doesn't really compare to a show. Dresses and shoes can be bought any day of the week how many times is EV gonna play solo again???

Like someone else said on here earlier, if they bought it then they own it and can do whatever they like with it because that is their right. All of us here may not like that as I'm sure we all bust our assess to get to the venues early enough to get these posters. But there isn't a poster for every individual in attendance anyway, so there is always going to be those couple of fans who miss out regardless.

I kinda equate this whole flipping for profit thing like the experience of buying tickets to shows. I don't come on the board and complain about missing out on an opportunity to buy 10c tickets and how it's so unfair that I have to pay a higher price through another ticketing agency, or even worse a broker simply because I have a 10c membership. I understand it only affords me the opportunity to get them and I may get shut out from time to time, so if it's a show I really want to attend I'll have to pay for it. Same goes for the poster, upon entry into the venue you have a "opportunity" to get one at that point but you're not garuanteed one.

So like you suggested for those ticket recoupers, if you truly want that poster you'll make the sacrifice and save up for it if it really means that much to you. And if you don't feel it's worth what's being asked, then more than likely you really didn't desire it or need it as much as you may have thought. Although I hate getting raked through the coals by these eBay sites, if there was something I really wanted to own in my collection and it was a fair asking price I would buy it.

The funny thing is that everyone is focusing on blasting the OP for flipping his own material possesion on eBay when what they really should be focusing on is the vendors who bend the rules at various venues in allowing the multiple purchases to one individual which facilitate one being able to flip these limited items for immediate profit. That's the actual crime right there. If people only had one poster in their possession, it would probably make the eBay sighting go down.

Peace,
RM

There is a difference. Because you NEED clothes and shoes. You don't NEED to go to a concert. It's absurd how many times that word is used around here. "I need a Zippo! I need to see Ed! I need the DC poster!" I'll admit, I am guilty of doing it, but by accident. I love the rationalization: How many times will Ed play solo again, so I have to be a scumbag flipper right now to see him!!! Don't you think everyone wants to see him? Even I want to see him, but I said it before, I'm not getting rid of my posters, vinyl, etc. just to go to a show. There's a difference. Some people buy stuff as mementos, keepsakes, or stuff just to have like a shirt or whatever. Others buy stuff just to flip the next day or so. I buy my stuff for the first reason.

Equating it to buying tix online is a bit different because at least we all have a shot online. I am in NJ. I can't just go to one of the solo shows, so I miss out on posters, the Zippo, etc. If I miss out on tix online, c'est la vie. But when the only chances I have are Jammers picking them up at shows, and then they start showing up on ebay for a lot of money, those chances get slimmer and slimmer due to some Jammers getting greedy. And that pisses me off.

It's the same thing at a show. It's not just about showing up early. You brought up the point about the workers not adhering to the limits. And I agree with you. But again, it's the greedy fans that spoil it for some of us. If I go to a show and miss out on a poster, I don't freak out(even though I get one from every show I go to) because one way or another(either ebay or hopefully 10c) I am going to try to get one. But if I am walking around and see some guy walking around by himself with a roll of that shows posters, I get mad. You're right, we aren't guaranteed anything, but then some people have to spoil it by being greedy.

And about people looking to recoup, it's not just about the posters or ebay stuff. It's about the tix too. If you can't afford it, you make adjustments or you don't go. Why should anyone miss out on merch just because you(figurative, not literal) couldn't afford to go to the show in the first place and need to flip any merch you can get your hands on? It's wrong. Get a credit card and pay for yout tix with that. That way you can slowly pay them off without resorting to flipping. If I miss a poster at a show, I make financial adjustments if I have to buy one from ebay.

You make due.

given2fly7 wrote:

I'm so sorry you can't make it to more than 6 shows. Are you being selfish for going to 6 shows when some people weren't able to get tickets to 1 show? Now, if they want to go, they'll have to go to ebay. You feel bad about that? Yeah, didn't think so. Next tour, try 1 show. Help out your fellow 'jammers'.

I hear you... talking out of both sides of their mouth. Help out your fellow "jammers" as long as it doesn't affect you.

You'll probably be told to mind your own business... which is fantastic advice and probably could've saved the last 9 1/2 pages of this thread.

given2fly7 wrote:

Wow. What idiotic logic here. You're going to six shows, and you're going to call someone who's going to sell a lighter to go to ONE show selfish? Haha. You'll survive not getting a lighter. And if you want one, there will be plenty on Ebay. Or, here's an idea...wait in line like everyone else. Just because you can afford something doesn't make you more worthy of it.

I'm so sorry you can't make it to more than 6 shows. Are you being selfish for going to 6 shows when some people weren't able to get tickets to 1 show? Now, if they want to go, they'll have to go to ebay. You feel bad about that? Yeah, didn't think so. Next tour, try 1 show. Help out your fellow 'jammers'.

Where does he say he cant afford anything???