You spend your entire life writing songs for your first album. You get a 6 months to write your second. That’s how it used to be in the age of record companies. And the normal trajectory for bands was a lot of music early on, which meant you had to promote record sales. Touring was the best vehicle for that. Nowadays, post-Record company and the market demand for physical formats waning, it is merchandising and touring that pays the bills. So many factors come into play. Artistically, you run low on thing you have to say, because you’ve already said it. Saying the same thing over and over doesn’t work. So, it starts out selling Records and touring early on, but the older you get, the older that touring shit gets. Look at the older bands. Do you want new music from The Rolling Stones? Paul McCartney? KIZZ? NO!!! You want to hear the old stuff. Not just the hits, I’d see the Stones if they played ‘Rocks Off’ instead of ‘Satisfaction’ but they will play the big hits to satisfy the masses. i don’t blame Pearl Jam to get off of the grueling road and chill with the families. Take their kids to soccer practice, enjoy a quiet dinner with the wife, hanging with friends or just sitting around. They are artists and musicians. They can’t avoid creating, but it gets tougher to come up with something new, every time. They don’t get the luxury we have, repeating the same stories of our lives, changing up the words but telling the same story over and over. As with all other bands, they will end. That’s okay. We can move on. They can tour, but I don’t want them to fall into the tour the hits phase. I mean, I’m pretty sure The Beach Boys get on stage some nights and dread playing ‘Surfin USA’ for the bazillionth time. i just want them to be happy. That’s want I want from them, to be happy. But, that’s just me.
First of all. I don’t want any music from Kiss. New or old. And you make great points. But the selfish me wants to see my band live to give me something to look forward too and forget that I work full time and Trump is president. I need distractions people. And one can only masterbate so many times.
You're either ahead of me, or I'm setting new records here! #neverstoptrying
"A smart monkey doesn't monkey around with another monkey's monkey" - Darwin's Theory
I don’t think anyone expects the band to embark on 30 date tours every year, and let’s be honest, Ed’s voice can’t handle that, but a little consistency would be nice. Like even what they did in 2018 satisfied a decent amount of the fans in the US . If they did 10-15 US dates a year it would keep them off the road for long stretches and still hit the major markets and keep fans happy. DMB’s work ethic is an unfair comparison. They’ve toured like that almost every year since 1994
2015 to the present: 63 shows 2000: 76 shows that we got 72 official bootlegs from and one vault.
Help me out here....what's the show I can't account for???? Bellingham was a Vault release...Commodore Ballroom in Vancouver wasn't released...For obviously reasons, Denmark wasn't released....what show am I missing?
I don't blame anybody for wanting more live Pearl Jam, but I think artists should control all aspects of their art. Touring annually for no particular reason, playing a set number of shows each year, and allowing a business formula to dictate art, all sound like a great way to achieve stale performance. If the band isn't feeling it, why should they tour?
2015 to the present: 63 shows 2000: 76 shows that we got 72 official bootlegs from and one vault.
Help me out here....what's the show I can't account for???? Bellingham was a Vault release...Commodore Ballroom in Vancouver wasn't released...For obviously reasons, Denmark wasn't released....what show am I missing?
I m sorry for some reason I counted the david letterman show (they played grievance). My bad on that.
Something I always try to keep in mind is that it's much bigger than just 6 dudes. One thing I took away from the last issue of DEEP (whenever that was) is that there a ton of people involved in the touring operation, those people are professionals, and the band is very respectful of them. Pearl Jam's crew are veterans and they're in-demand in their industry, and I can see how the one-year-on-one-year-off model that they've been more or less doing for the last few years makes some sense - they crew up in the even years for high-paying gigs at a relatively leisurely pace with a band that seems to be all good dudes, and in the odd years they're free to pick up with whatever other tours they want to, or spend more time with their families if they choose.
I'm sure all of this is true of DMB's crew as well, but it may just be a different model/relationship where they've decided they're touring every year and at a faster pace.
2015 to the present: 63 shows 2000: 76 shows that we got 72 official bootlegs from and one vault.
Help me out here....what's the show I can't account for???? Bellingham was a Vault release...Commodore Ballroom in Vancouver wasn't released...For obviously reasons, Denmark wasn't released....what show am I missing?
I m sorry for some reason I counted the david letterman show (they played grievance). My bad on that.
At least they have enough energy to put out a $43 (with shipping) rehashed, 7 whole song live EP that we already bought on CD in 2006! Let's look at the bright side
At least they have enough energy to put out a $43 (with shipping) rehashed, 7 whole song live EP that we already bought on CD in 2006! Let's look at the bright side
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Something I always try to keep in mind is that it's much bigger than just 6 dudes. One thing I took away from the last issue of DEEP (whenever that was) is that there a ton of people involved in the touring operation, those people are professionals, and the band is very respectful of them. Pearl Jam's crew are veterans and they're in-demand in their industry, and I can see how the one-year-on-one-year-off model that they've been more or less doing for the last few years makes some sense - they crew up in the even years for high-paying gigs at a relatively leisurely pace with a band that seems to be all good dudes, and in the odd years they're free to pick up with whatever other tours they want to, or spend more time with their families if they choose.
I'm sure all of this is true of DMB's crew as well, but it may just be a different model/relationship where they've decided they're touring every year and at a faster pace.
This is definitely true. A few years ago DMB didn't tour and took a year off. They announced it a year in advance because they let the crew know so they could book other gigs.
PJ probably keeps things a little less defined and flexible.
Something I always try to keep in mind is that it's much bigger than just 6 dudes. One thing I took away from the last issue of DEEP (whenever that was) is that there a ton of people involved in the touring operation, those people are professionals, and the band is very respectful of them. Pearl Jam's crew are veterans and they're in-demand in their industry, and I can see how the one-year-on-one-year-off model that they've been more or less doing for the last few years makes some sense - they crew up in the even years for high-paying gigs at a relatively leisurely pace with a band that seems to be all good dudes, and in the odd years they're free to pick up with whatever other tours they want to, or spend more time with their families if they choose.
I'm sure all of this is true of DMB's crew as well, but it may just be a different model/relationship where they've decided they're touring every year and at a faster pace.
This is definitely true. A few years ago DMB didn't tour and took a year off. They announced it a year in advance because they let the crew know so they could book other gigs.
PJ probably keeps things a little less defined and flexible.
For sure. PJ only needs a crew for 2-3 weeks a year. DMB is going to need a whole summer.
Something I always try to keep in mind is that it's much bigger than just 6 dudes. One thing I took away from the last issue of DEEP (whenever that was) is that there a ton of people involved in the touring operation, those people are professionals, and the band is very respectful of them. Pearl Jam's crew are veterans and they're in-demand in their industry, and I can see how the one-year-on-one-year-off model that they've been more or less doing for the last few years makes some sense - they crew up in the even years for high-paying gigs at a relatively leisurely pace with a band that seems to be all good dudes, and in the odd years they're free to pick up with whatever other tours they want to, or spend more time with their families if they choose.
I'm sure all of this is true of DMB's crew as well, but it may just be a different model/relationship where they've decided they're touring every year and at a faster pace.
This is definitely true. A few years ago DMB didn't tour and took a year off. They announced it a year in advance because they let the crew know so they could book other gigs.
PJ probably keeps things a little less defined and flexible.
For sure. PJ only needs a crew for 2-3 weeks a year. DMB is going to need a whole summer.
Something I always try to keep in mind is that it's much bigger than just 6 dudes. One thing I took away from the last issue of DEEP (whenever that was) is that there a ton of people involved in the touring operation, those people are professionals, and the band is very respectful of them. Pearl Jam's crew are veterans and they're in-demand in their industry, and I can see how the one-year-on-one-year-off model that they've been more or less doing for the last few years makes some sense - they crew up in the even years for high-paying gigs at a relatively leisurely pace with a band that seems to be all good dudes, and in the odd years they're free to pick up with whatever other tours they want to, or spend more time with their families if they choose.
I'm sure all of this is true of DMB's crew as well, but it may just be a different model/relationship where they've decided they're touring every year and at a faster pace.
This is definitely true. A few years ago DMB didn't tour and took a year off. They announced it a year in advance because they let the crew know so they could book other gigs.
PJ probably keeps things a little less defined and flexible.
For sure. PJ only needs a crew for 2-3 weeks a year. DMB is going to need a whole summer.
Imagine something like this announced next January?
April 30 - Pensacola, FL @ Pensacola Bay Center May 1- Jacksonville, FL @ Veterans Memorial Arena May 4 - New Orleans, LA @ New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival May 7 - Pelham, AL @ Oak Mountain Amphitheatre May 11 - Nashville, TN @ Bridgestone Arena May 14 - Des Moines, IA @ Wells Fargo Center May 15 - Maryland Heights, MO @ Hollywood Casino Amphitheatre May 17 - The Woodlands, TX @ Cynthia Woods Mitchell Pavilion May 18- Dallas, TX @ Dos Equis Pavilion| June 14 - Camden, NJ @ BB&T Pavilion June 15 - Camden, NJ @ BB&T Pavilion| June 19 - Bethel, NY @ Bethel Woods Center for the Arts June 21 - Mansfield, MA @ Xfinity Center June 22 - Hartford, CT @ Xfinity Theatre June 28 - Noblesville, IN @ Ruoff Home Mortgage Music Center June 29 - Noblesville, IN @Ruoff Home Mortgage Music Center July 2 - Cincinnati, OH @ Riverbend Music Center July 3 - Tinley Park, IL @ Hollywood Casino Amphitheatre July 5 - Elkhorn, WI @ Alpine Valley Music Theatre July 6 - Elkhorn, WI @Alpine Valley Music Theatre July 9 - Clarkston, MI @ DTE Energy Center July 10 - Toronto, ON @ Budweiser Stage July 12 - Saratoga Springs, NY @ Saratoga Performing Arts Center July 13 - Saratoga Springs, NY @ Saratoga Performing Arts Center July 17 - Wantagh, NY @ Northwell Health at Jones Beach Theater July 19 - Charlotte, NC @ PNC Music Pavilion July 20 - Bristow, VA @ Jiffy Lube Live July 23 - Alpharetta, GA @ Ameris Bank Amphitheatre July 24 - Tampa, FL @ MIDFLORIDA Credit Union Amphitheatre July 26 - West Palm Beach, FL @ Coral Sky Amphitheatre July 27 - West Palm Beach, FL @ Coral Sky Amphitheatre Aug 23 - Greenwood Village, CO @ Fiddler's Green Amphitheatre Aug 24 - Greenwood Village, CO @ Fiddler's Green Amphitheatre Aug 27 - West Valley City, UT @ USANA Amphitheatre Aug 30 - Quincy, WA @ Gorge Amphitheatre Aug 31 - Quincy, WA @ Gorge Amphitheatre Sept 1 - Quincy, WA @ Gorge Amphitheatre Sept 4 - Ridgefield, WA @ Sunlight Supply Amphitheater Sept 6 - Stateline, NV @ Lake Tahoe Outdoor Arena at Harveys Sept 7 - Sacramento, CA @ Golden 1 Center Sept 13 - Phoenix, AZ @ Ak-Chin Pavilion Sept 22 - Asbury Park, NJ @ Sea.Hear.Now Festival
I’m on a trek to see a concert in every state (35 down) and PJ being my favorite band, I began some 25 years ago making them the band of choice for travel. Now it’s Dave (and Dispatch) as you can always rely on a Dave tour. Last year was Tahoe and this year is Salt Lake City. I keep putting Red Rocks and The Gorge on the back burner with the hope someday PJ again plays one of those venues. I used to think I’d at least get to see them at the Gorge but now I’m not that hopeful. PJ is still the best live show out there for me.
Springfield 4/6/94, Boston 4/6/94, Hartford 10/2/96, New York 9/11/98, Hartford 9/13/98, Mansfield 8/30/00, Boston 9/28/04, Reading 10/1/04, Quebec City 9/20/05, Boston 5/24/06, Hartford 5/13/06, New York 6/25/08, Hartford 6/27/08 Philadelphia 10/31/09, Hartford 10/15/10, Boston 10/17/10, East Troy 9/3/11, East Troy 9/4/11, Missoula 9/30/12, Worcester 10/15/13, Hartford 10/25/13, Charlottesville 10/29/13, St. Paul 10/19/14, New York 9/26/15, Quebec City 5/5/16, Boston 8/5/16, Boston 9/2/18, Boston 9/4/18, Quebec City 9/1/22, Camden 9/14/22, Oklahoma City 9/20/22
At least they have enough energy to put out a $43 (with shipping) rehashed, 7 whole song live EP that we already bought on CD in 2006! Let's look at the bright side
That’s the closest thing we are going to get to live Pearl Jam for a while. Well some of us. Not me. I missed the boat on ordering. At least we have Pearl Jam radio.
Imagine something like this announced next January?
April 30 - Pensacola, FL @ Pensacola Bay Center May 1- Jacksonville, FL @ Veterans Memorial Arena May 4 - New Orleans, LA @ New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival May 7 - Pelham, AL @ Oak Mountain Amphitheatre May 11 - Nashville, TN @ Bridgestone Arena May 14 - Des Moines, IA @ Wells Fargo Center May 15 - Maryland Heights, MO @ Hollywood Casino Amphitheatre May 17 - The Woodlands, TX @ Cynthia Woods Mitchell Pavilion May 18- Dallas, TX @ Dos Equis Pavilion| June 14 - Camden, NJ @ BB&T Pavilion June 15 - Camden, NJ @ BB&T Pavilion| June 19 - Bethel, NY @ Bethel Woods Center for the Arts June 21 - Mansfield, MA @ Xfinity Center June 22 - Hartford, CT @ Xfinity Theatre June 28 - Noblesville, IN @ Ruoff Home Mortgage Music Center June 29 - Noblesville, IN @Ruoff Home Mortgage Music Center July 2 - Cincinnati, OH @ Riverbend Music Center July 3 - Tinley Park, IL @ Hollywood Casino Amphitheatre July 5 - Elkhorn, WI @ Alpine Valley Music Theatre July 6 - Elkhorn, WI @Alpine Valley Music Theatre July 9 - Clarkston, MI @ DTE Energy Center July 10 - Toronto, ON @ Budweiser Stage July 12 - Saratoga Springs, NY @ Saratoga Performing Arts Center July 13 - Saratoga Springs, NY @ Saratoga Performing Arts Center July 17 - Wantagh, NY @ Northwell Health at Jones Beach Theater July 19 - Charlotte, NC @ PNC Music Pavilion July 20 - Bristow, VA @ Jiffy Lube Live July 23 - Alpharetta, GA @ Ameris Bank Amphitheatre July 24 - Tampa, FL @ MIDFLORIDA Credit Union Amphitheatre July 26 - West Palm Beach, FL @ Coral Sky Amphitheatre July 27 - West Palm Beach, FL @ Coral Sky Amphitheatre Aug 23 - Greenwood Village, CO @ Fiddler's Green Amphitheatre Aug 24 - Greenwood Village, CO @ Fiddler's Green Amphitheatre Aug 27 - West Valley City, UT @ USANA Amphitheatre Aug 30 - Quincy, WA @ Gorge Amphitheatre Aug 31 - Quincy, WA @ Gorge Amphitheatre Sept 1 - Quincy, WA @ Gorge Amphitheatre Sept 4 - Ridgefield, WA @ Sunlight Supply Amphitheater Sept 6 - Stateline, NV @ Lake Tahoe Outdoor Arena at Harveys Sept 7 - Sacramento, CA @ Golden 1 Center Sept 13 - Phoenix, AZ @ Ak-Chin Pavilion Sept 22 - Asbury Park, NJ @ Sea.Hear.Now Festival
I’m on a trek to see a concert in every state (35 down) and PJ being my favorite band, I began some 25 years ago making them the band of choice for travel. Now it’s Dave (and Dispatch) as you can always rely on a Dave tour. Last year was Tahoe and this year is Salt Lake City. I keep putting Red Rocks and The Gorge on the back burner with the hope someday PJ again plays one of those venues. I used to think I’d at least get to see them at the Gorge but now I’m not that hopeful. PJ is still the best live show out there for me.
Don’t hold your breath. PJ now plays only the best sounding venues. Baseball parks. What acoustics they have. Stellar.
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Bellingham was a Vault release...Commodore Ballroom in Vancouver wasn't released...For obviously reasons, Denmark wasn't released....what show am I missing?
i wish i wish i wish i wish, i guess it never stops
I'm sure all of this is true of DMB's crew as well, but it may just be a different model/relationship where they've decided they're touring every year and at a faster pace.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
PJ probably keeps things a little less defined and flexible.
Boston 10/17/10, East Troy 9/3/11, East Troy 9/4/11, Missoula 9/30/12, Worcester 10/15/13, Hartford 10/25/13, Charlottesville 10/29/13,
St. Paul 10/19/14, New York 9/26/15, Quebec City 5/5/16, Boston 8/5/16, Boston 9/2/18, Boston 9/4/18, Quebec City 9/1/22, Camden 9/14/22, Oklahoma City 9/20/22