HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

was at the cottage last weekend. my buddy, whom I've known for 30 years, went on this "human caused climate change is a hoax" tirade with me. we were sitting there having drinks, smoked some weed, and he lays into me on this. I don't even recall how it came up. I just sat there stunned while he was basically yelling at me, cheering on his own points (as I wasn't prepared to debate with someone who was only looking for an argument, and I think my lack of engagement got him annoyed), and when our wives reappeared it went back to normal. it was fucking bizarre. he believes the scientists believe the data. but he believes that the way we analyze the data is flawed, he compared it to scientists believing all sorts of things hundreds of years ago (the earth was flat, it was the centre of the universe, etc). I did try to explain to him that our technology and ways of analyzing data is far superior to then, but he "wasn't buying it". 

this same guy, last year, proclaimed to us that he won't set foot in the US until Trump is out of office. 

I found that interesting. A guy that hates trump with such fervor can also be a climate change denier. I guess I always just lumped climate change deniers with conservatives. 

That's about the time you say, "Dude, I don't think you and I are smoking the same stuff."  That would be weird- I'm not sure I'd quite know what to say.

a whole whack of us are going to be out at the cottage next week (including two lawyers who live to argue). after everyone is good and lubed up, I'm going to just yell "climate change is real!" and run back to my cottage. 

mickeyrat said:

Meltdown99 said:

Hemp 101: What Is Hemp, What’s It Used for, and Why Is It Illegal?
https://www.leafly.com/news/cannabis-101/hemp-101-what-is-hemp-whats-it-used-for-and-why-is-it-illegal

Hemp likely can replace a lot of the single-use plastic.  The problem with Hemp is that it looks closely like its much better sister Cannabis...lol

Hemp is now legal in the US and Canada.  How do you use hemp in clothes when so much of the world is closed minded to the Cannabis plant??  The world knows what needs to be done...but the world is slow to act.

Tobacco states are looking to grow hemp instead of tobacco as smoking further declines.

Could restart textiles manufacturing on a small scale.

Thats just one of a shit ton of uses.....

PJ_Soul said:

The Trump era EPA should seriously be change to the EDA: Environmental Destruction Agency.

EPA to allow pesticide seen as threat to bees

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/epa-to-allow-pesticide-seen-as-threat-to-bees?fbclid=IwAR0PvFjOHXBUqoNw5O3F03Krq2K8uHHqDeNGt6DJAgH_3bxE9wcyBJdqJ2Y

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Environmental Protection Agency will allow farmers to resume broad use of a pesticide over objections from beekeepers, citing chemical industry private studies that the agency says show the product is only a lower-level threat to bees and other wildlife.

Friday’s EPA announcement makes sulfoxaflor the latest bug- and weed-killer defended by the Trump administration despite lawsuits alleging environmental or human harm. The pesticide is made by Corteva Agriscience, a spinoff created last month in the DowDuPont merger.

A federal appeals court had ordered the EPA to withdraw approval for the pesticide in 2015, ruling in a lawsuit brought by U.S. beekeeping groups that not enough was known about what it did to bees.

EPA Assistant Administrator Alexandra Dapolito Dunn said Friday that new industry studies that have not been made public show only a low level of risk to bees and other wildlife.

Dunn said EPA’s newly reset rules for use of sulfoxaflor, such as generally prohibiting spraying of fruit and nut-bearing plants in bloom, when pollinators would be attracted to the flowers, would limit harm to bees. She called it “an important and highly effective tool for growers.”

READ MORE: Are commercial honeybees making wild bees sick?

Michele Colopy, program director of the Pollinator Stewardship Council, one of the beekeeping groups that had successfully sued to block sulfoxaflor, said the EPA limits weren’t enough to protect bees and other beneficial bugs whose numbers are declining.

“We understand farmers want to have every tool in their toolbox,” when it comes to curbing insects that damage crops. “But the … pesticides are just decimating beneficial insects,” Colopy said.

An environmental group charged the EPA with sidestepping the usual public review in reapproving broader use of the pesticide.

“The Trump EPA’s reckless approval… without any public process is a terrible blow to imperiled pollinators,” said Lori Ann Burd, director of the Center for Biological Diversity’s environmental health program.

Other Trump administration decisions have upheld market use of the weed-killing glyphosate, which is now the target of thousands of consumer lawsuits over alleged harm to people exposed to it, and shelved an Obama-era decision to ban the pesticide chlorpyrifos as a threat to human health.