The all-purpose heavy duty Climate Chaos thread (sprinkled with hope).

PJPOWER

Anyone else see this?
https://www.sciencealert.com/renewables-exceeded-coal-for-first-time-in-us-history-with-no-noticeable-difference?&tb_cb=1

Meltdown99

Don't send that to The Donald...he might sign an executive order demanding 1000 new coal-fired plants be built...

brianlux

F Me In The Brain said:

Thought you might find this chart interesting, Brian.

What, elections are rigged?  Noooooooo!

cincybearcat said:

Looks like Yang got way too much time

I'm surprised they didn't have a trap door to open under his feet.

brianlux

Once again "climate change" (why are people afraid to call it global warming?) gets the short shrift again.  Maybe the dems care a little more than the republicans, but obviously they don't really care all that much. 

Bend over... we all know the routine.

Meltdown99

brianlux said:

Once again "climate change" (why are people afraid to call it global warming?) gets the short shrift again.  Maybe the dems care a little more than the republicans, but obviously they don't really care all that much. 

Bend over... we all know the routine.

Maybe a third party could change that...

brianlux

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Once again "climate change" (why are people afraid to call it global warming?) gets the short shrift again.  Maybe the dems care a little more than the republicans, but obviously they don't really care all that much. 

Bend over... we all know the routine.

Maybe a third party could change that...

Maybe... but when?  Our institutions are very slow to change.  And by then, it may be too late (if it isn't already).

Meltdown99

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Once again "climate change" (why are people afraid to call it global warming?) gets the short shrift again.  Maybe the dems care a little more than the republicans, but obviously they don't really care all that much. 

Bend over... we all know the routine.

Maybe a third party could change that...

Maybe... but when?  Our institutions are very slow to change.  And by then, it may be too late (if it isn't already).

That is true.  We have 4 mainstream parties federally (there are other parties, but they poll really low)...we have only ever elected Conservatives and Liberals.

benjs

brianlux said:

Once again "climate change" (why are people afraid to call it global warming?) gets the short shrift again.  Maybe the dems care a little more than the republicans, but obviously they don't really care all that much. 

Bend over... we all know the routine.

Brian, I understand how frustrating it is to see this topic underrepresented, however I don't think the amount of time spent discussing climate change is correlated to anything more than a candidate's perception of how much more electable he or she will become by discussing the topic (which is ultimately the goal of the debate - to make yourself more electable). I would rather that a candidate does everything he or she needs to get him or herself into office, and then begin the campaign to sell the States on a radically changed energy economy and pursuits of minimizing global warming immediately. If you don't get into office, your policies are irrelevant. 

brianlux

benjs said:

brianlux said:

Once again "climate change" (why are people afraid to call it global warming?) gets the short shrift again.  Maybe the dems care a little more than the republicans, but obviously they don't really care all that much. 

Bend over... we all know the routine.

Brian, I understand how frustrating it is to see this topic underrepresented, however I don't think the amount of time spent discussing climate change is correlated to anything more than a candidate's perception of how much more electable he or she will become by discussing the topic (which is ultimately the goal of the debate - to make yourself more electable). I would rather that a candidate does everything he or she needs to get him or herself into office, and then begin the campaign to sell the States on a radically changed energy economy and pursuits of minimizing global warming immediately. If you don't get into office, your policies are irrelevant. 

Good, logical thinking there, Ben.  I hope that does happen!

benjs

brianlux said:

benjs said:

brianlux said:

Once again "climate change" (why are people afraid to call it global warming?) gets the short shrift again.  Maybe the dems care a little more than the republicans, but obviously they don't really care all that much. 

Bend over... we all know the routine.

Brian, I understand how frustrating it is to see this topic underrepresented, however I don't think the amount of time spent discussing climate change is correlated to anything more than a candidate's perception of how much more electable he or she will become by discussing the topic (which is ultimately the goal of the debate - to make yourself more electable). I would rather that a candidate does everything he or she needs to get him or herself into office, and then begin the campaign to sell the States on a radically changed energy economy and pursuits of minimizing global warming immediately. If you don't get into office, your policies are irrelevant. 

Good, logical thinking there, Ben.  I hope that does happen!

I think if a Democrat's in office, then it will! 

Meltdown99

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-wildfires-alaska/alaskas-heat-wave-fuels-dangerous-smoke-melts-glaciers-idUSKCN1TW1OV?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1BMqb1tLT85l92o4t3_nQETjERDzlOINUzAs_drZWN3hE1qTKRvPuUPCo

Alaska's heat wave fuels dangerous smoke, melts glaciers

Well, Alaska might not be a good option as a place to move...probably go to still get -40 in the winter and very hot in the summer...

brianlux

Meltdown99 said:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-wildfires-alaska/alaskas-heat-wave-fuels-dangerous-smoke-melts-glaciers-idUSKCN1TW1OV?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1BMqb1tLT85l92o4t3_nQETjERDzlOINUzAs_drZWN3hE1qTKRvPuUPCo

Alaska's heat wave fuels dangerous smoke, melts glaciers

Well, Alaska might not be a good option as a place to move...probably go to still get -40 in the winter and very hot in the summer...

They are definitely having unusually warm weather.  My step daughter lives in Ketchikan and they are uncomfortably warm lately.  And Ketchikan relies on water for generating power and that has been a problem as well due to recent drought.  Not good signs.

Meltdown99

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-wildfires-alaska/alaskas-heat-wave-fuels-dangerous-smoke-melts-glaciers-idUSKCN1TW1OV?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1BMqb1tLT85l92o4t3_nQETjERDzlOINUzAs_drZWN3hE1qTKRvPuUPCo

Alaska's heat wave fuels dangerous smoke, melts glaciers

Well, Alaska might not be a good option as a place to move...probably go to still get -40 in the winter and very hot in the summer...

They are definitely having unusually warm weather.  My step daughter lives in Ketchikan and they are uncomfortably warm lately.  And Ketchikan relies on water for generating power and that has been a problem as well due to recent drought.  Not good signs.

Is it possible that Alaska could get extreme cold winters followed by 90 degree summers?

I checked that place out that your step daughter lives...seems like a really nice place.  It does not get the -40-50 winter weather?

brianlux

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-wildfires-alaska/alaskas-heat-wave-fuels-dangerous-smoke-melts-glaciers-idUSKCN1TW1OV?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1BMqb1tLT85l92o4t3_nQETjERDzlOINUzAs_drZWN3hE1qTKRvPuUPCo

Alaska's heat wave fuels dangerous smoke, melts glaciers

Well, Alaska might not be a good option as a place to move...probably go to still get -40 in the winter and very hot in the summer...

They are definitely having unusually warm weather.  My step daughter lives in Ketchikan and they are uncomfortably warm lately.  And Ketchikan relies on water for generating power and that has been a problem as well due to recent drought.  Not good signs.

Is it possible that Alaska could get extreme cold winters followed by 90 degree summers?

I checked that place out that your step daughter lives...seems like a really nice place.  It does not get the -40-50 winter weather?

No.  Because it's coastal, they don't even get a lot of snow in town.  The mountains rise up quickly from the coast, so higher elevations get a lot of snow, but coastal-wise it just gets chilly and daylight is fairly short in winter- the shortest day is around 7 hours of sunlight so winters are not good for people with S.A.D. syndrome.   It sounds like a really great place though in spring through fall.  My wife has been there a number of times.  My first trip will be in 2020 (that will put me close to Canada in case... well, you know!  )

Meltdown99

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-wildfires-alaska/alaskas-heat-wave-fuels-dangerous-smoke-melts-glaciers-idUSKCN1TW1OV?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1BMqb1tLT85l92o4t3_nQETjERDzlOINUzAs_drZWN3hE1qTKRvPuUPCo

Alaska's heat wave fuels dangerous smoke, melts glaciers

Well, Alaska might not be a good option as a place to move...probably go to still get -40 in the winter and very hot in the summer...

They are definitely having unusually warm weather.  My step daughter lives in Ketchikan and they are uncomfortably warm lately.  And Ketchikan relies on water for generating power and that has been a problem as well due to recent drought.  Not good signs.

Is it possible that Alaska could get extreme cold winters followed by 90 degree summers?

I checked that place out that your step daughter lives...seems like a really nice place.  It does not get the -40-50 winter weather?

No.  Because it's coastal, they don't even get a lot of snow in town.  The mountains rise up quickly from the coast, so higher elevations get a lot of snow, but coastal-wise it just gets chilly and daylight is fairly short in winter- the shortest day is around 7 hours of sunlight so winters are not good for people with S.A.D. syndrome.   It sounds like a really great place though in spring through fall.  My wife has been there a number of times.  My first trip will be in 2020 (that will put me close to Canada in case... well, you know!  )

You can sneak across...lol

Sounds like a great trip.  

eddiec

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/08/business/media/as-the-world-heats-up-the-climate-for-news-is-changing-too.html

As Europe heats up, Greenland melts and the Midwest floods, many news organizations are devoting more resources to climate change as they cover the topic with more urgency.

In Florida, six newsrooms with different owners have taken the unusual step of pooling their resources and sharing their reporting on the issue. They plan to examine how climate change will affect the state’s enormous agriculture sector as well as “the future of coastal towns and cities — which ones survive, which ones go under,” according to a statement released when the initiative was announced last month.

Florida’s record-breaking heat waves, devastating storms like Hurricane Michael and increased flooding at high tide have not been lost on Mindy Marques, the publisher and executive editor of The Miami Herald, one of the six organizations taking part in the effort. “It’s undeniable that we are living with the impact of changes in our climate every day,” Ms. Marques said.

The other five outlets that have joined the initiative are The Palm Beach Post, The South Florida Sun Sentinel, The Tampa Bay Times, The Orlando Sentinel and WLRN Public Media. Ms. Marques said the partnership was not politically motivated.

“We’re not launching a campaign,” she said. “We’re launching information, knowledge.”

Link above for rest of story.

brianlux

eddiec said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/08/business/media/as-the-world-heats-up-the-climate-for-news-is-changing-too.html

As Europe heats up, Greenland melts and the Midwest floods, many news organizations are devoting more resources to climate change as they cover the topic with more urgency.

In Florida, six newsrooms with different owners have taken the unusual step of pooling their resources and sharing their reporting on the issue. They plan to examine how climate change will affect the state’s enormous agriculture sector as well as “the future of coastal towns and cities — which ones survive, which ones go under,” according to a statement released when the initiative was announced last month.

Florida’s record-breaking heat waves, devastating storms like Hurricane Michael and increased flooding at high tide have not been lost on Mindy Marques, the publisher and executive editor of The Miami Herald, one of the six organizations taking part in the effort. “It’s undeniable that we are living with the impact of changes in our climate every day,” Ms. Marques said.

The other five outlets that have joined the initiative are The Palm Beach Post, The South Florida Sun Sentinel, The Tampa Bay Times, The Orlando Sentinel and WLRN Public Media. Ms. Marques said the partnership was not politically motivated.

“We’re not launching a campaign,” she said. “We’re launching information, knowledge.”

Link above for rest of story.

I'm glad to see more coverage unfolding... even if it is like someone telling another person, "A bus is going to hit you in exactly 30 seconds" and the other person waits 29 seconds before deciding, "Hmmm, maybe I should move out of the way".

HughFreakingDillon

was at the cottage last weekend. my buddy, whom I've known for 30 years, went on this "human caused climate change is a hoax" tirade with me. we were sitting there having drinks, smoked some weed, and he lays into me on this. I don't even recall how it came up. I just sat there stunned while he was basically yelling at me, cheering on his own points (as I wasn't prepared to debate with someone who was only looking for an argument, and I think my lack of engagement got him annoyed), and when our wives reappeared it went back to normal. it was fucking bizarre. he believes the scientists believe the data. but he believes that the way we analyze the data is flawed, he compared it to scientists believing all sorts of things hundreds of years ago (the earth was flat, it was the centre of the universe, etc). I did try to explain to him that our technology and ways of analyzing data is far superior to then, but he "wasn't buying it". 

this same guy, last year, proclaimed to us that he won't set foot in the US until Trump is out of office. 

I found that interesting. A guy that hates trump with such fervor can also be a climate change denier. I guess I always just lumped climate change deniers with conservatives. 

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

was at the cottage last weekend. my buddy, whom I've known for 30 years, went on this "human caused climate change is a hoax" tirade with me. we were sitting there having drinks, smoked some weed, and he lays into me on this. I don't even recall how it came up. I just sat there stunned while he was basically yelling at me, cheering on his own points (as I wasn't prepared to debate with someone who was only looking for an argument, and I think my lack of engagement got him annoyed), and when our wives reappeared it went back to normal. it was fucking bizarre. he believes the scientists believe the data. but he believes that the way we analyze the data is flawed, he compared it to scientists believing all sorts of things hundreds of years ago (the earth was flat, it was the centre of the universe, etc). I did try to explain to him that our technology and ways of analyzing data is far superior to then, but he "wasn't buying it". 

this same guy, last year, proclaimed to us that he won't set foot in the US until Trump is out of office. 

I found that interesting. A guy that hates trump with such fervor can also be a climate change denier. I guess I always just lumped climate change deniers with conservatives. 

That's about the time you say, "Dude, I don't think you and I are smoking the same stuff."  That would be weird- I'm not sure I'd quite know what to say.

mickeyrat

one thing I dont see mentioned much anywhere is along with the usual suspects as it relates to climate change, just why deforestation isnt included?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/massive-forest-restoration-could-greatly-slow-global-warming/?utm_source=pocket-newtab