***DONALD J TRUMP HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN IMPEACHED***

benjs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

benjs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

benjs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

OnWis97 said:

The Juggler said:

Justin Amash is an American hero. 

I don’t love that we’d even consider someone being honest and standing up for the rule of law.  But when a Republican challenges Trump, it’s at least a big story.  Sad!

Bet he looked at his state, had a meeting with his people and decided that "I am not at risk back home for going against the president" and did it.

I don't think he sat at home, drinking a glass of rosé and just got some feeling to be spontaneous. 

If he was at risk - would he have done it?

I don’t care what motivates a person to do something. If you know something needs to be done, and someone else feels it should be done but for different reasons, why should that matter? That’s called real life - motivating people to coming around to the right way of thinking by putting it in terms of “what’s in it for me”. 

ok

If you disagree I’m all ears

I'd say without context it's a meaningless blanket statement.

Benji: I want to kiss you, because I love you so much.
Person: I want to kiss you too, because the voices in my head force me to kiss people that disgust me.

Different motivations. I think you would care in that context.

Okay, that’s fair enough - I threw the blanket way too far to claim it’s universally applicable. Within this finite context though, do you see the motives of Republicans changing any time soon? As well, do you agree that the country needs results? My problem is that I don’t see certain cohorts’ motives changing, yet I see the results I think we’re both after as necessary. So how do we reconcile those two facts to reach progress? The best answer I can come up with is to sell the change we need based on a motive we don’t necessarily agree with. 

The Juggler said:

Do you really think she’s just not ever going to do it?

its going to happen. And it’s going to happen this year. 

#2019

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJ_Soul said:

Which member of Congress was that from Halifax?

Devin Nunes.

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

The response from my Congressperson after emailing them post Mueller news conference:

Thank you for writing to express your support for the impeachment of President Donald J. Trump.  I appreciate your taking the time to share your thoughts on this important issue.

As you know, Donald Trump, as both a candidate and a president, has been mired in controversy. The nation and the world have witnessed the growing evidence of contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian officials, the mishandling of important security information, and substantial evidence of obstruction of justice.  Moreover, the Trump administration has refused to comply with multiple requests for information, appearances, and even defied subpoenas from multiple congressional committees.

Because of the Administration’s wholesale obstruction of valid congressional oversight, combined with the widespread evidence of misdeeds that require further investigation laid out in the Mueller Report, at this time, I believe it is appropriate to open an impeachment inquiry.  Article Two, Section Four of the United States Constitution states, “The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High crimes and Misdemeanors.” 

Impeachment consists of two separate proceedings, the first of which begins in the House of Representatives.  First, the House must open an inquiry to determine whether there is enough evidence to begin an impeachment proceeding. If the Judiciary Committee determines it is appropriate and supported by the evidence, we would vote on articles of impeachment, to formally approve allegations of wrongdoing amounting to high crimes and misdemeanors. If approved by a simple majority of the House, the articles of impeachment are then forwarded to the Senate where the second proceeding takes place: an impeachment trial. If the Senate, by vote of a two-thirds majority, convicts the official of the alleged offenses, the result is removal from office of those still in office, and, at the Senate's discretion, disqualification from holding future office. 

I do not take impeachment or the potential removal of our President from office lightly.  Starting this process would be a sobering step for our country and must only be taken upon a grave breach in conduct such that it is incompatible with the laws of our nation or proper performance of the duties of office.  I believe that President Trump’s wholesale violation of law and order, by refusing to comply with any congressional oversight, amounts to obstruction of justice. He has left us with no choice but to begin an impeachment inquiry.  The Speaker of the House, together with other members of House Leadership will ultimately decide our path forward. I have joined many of my House colleagues in arguing for the beginning of an impeachment inquiry and we are having healthy discussions as a Caucus on the best strategy.

Once again, thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding your support for the impeachment of President Donald J. Trump.  If I may be of assistance to you again in the future, please do not hesitate to contact me.  In the meantime, please visit www.house.gov for up-to-date information.

My best always

Member of Congress

Interesting response from a Republican. I wonder if any of his colleagues in the Senate feel the same way. I bet some do. But would they actually vote to convict in an impeachment trial? 

You should post the email you sent him as well.

OnWis97 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

The response from my Congressperson after emailing them post Mueller news conference:

Thank you for writing to express your support for the impeachment of President Donald J. Trump.  I appreciate your taking the time to share your thoughts on this important issue.

As you know, Donald Trump, as both a candidate and a president, has been mired in controversy. The nation and the world have witnessed the growing evidence of contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian officials, the mishandling of important security information, and substantial evidence of obstruction of justice.  Moreover, the Trump administration has refused to comply with multiple requests for information, appearances, and even defied subpoenas from multiple congressional committees.

Because of the Administration’s wholesale obstruction of valid congressional oversight, combined with the widespread evidence of misdeeds that require further investigation laid out in the Mueller Report, at this time, I believe it is appropriate to open an impeachment inquiry.  Article Two, Section Four of the United States Constitution states, “The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High crimes and Misdemeanors.” 

Impeachment consists of two separate proceedings, the first of which begins in the House of Representatives.  First, the House must open an inquiry to determine whether there is enough evidence to begin an impeachment proceeding. If the Judiciary Committee determines it is appropriate and supported by the evidence, we would vote on articles of impeachment, to formally approve allegations of wrongdoing amounting to high crimes and misdemeanors. If approved by a simple majority of the House, the articles of impeachment are then forwarded to the Senate where the second proceeding takes place: an impeachment trial. If the Senate, by vote of a two-thirds majority, convicts the official of the alleged offenses, the result is removal from office of those still in office, and, at the Senate's discretion, disqualification from holding future office. 

I do not take impeachment or the potential removal of our President from office lightly.  Starting this process would be a sobering step for our country and must only be taken upon a grave breach in conduct such that it is incompatible with the laws of our nation or proper performance of the duties of office.  I believe that President Trump’s wholesale violation of law and order, by refusing to comply with any congressional oversight, amounts to obstruction of justice. He has left us with no choice but to begin an impeachment inquiry.  The Speaker of the House, together with other members of House Leadership will ultimately decide our path forward. I have joined many of my House colleagues in arguing for the beginning of an impeachment inquiry and we are having healthy discussions as a Caucus on the best strategy.

Once again, thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding your support for the impeachment of President Donald J. Trump.  If I may be of assistance to you again in the future, please do not hesitate to contact me.  In the meantime, please visit www.house.gov for up-to-date information.

My best always

Member of Congress

Interesting response from a Republican. I wonder if any of his colleagues in the Senate feel the same way. I bet some do. But would they actually vote to convict in an impeachment trial? 

You should post the email you sent him as well.

At this point, the only way a GOP senator would vote this way is if he/she was putting country and rule of law ahead of his/her own own seat.  I doubt there's a state, outside of Utah, perhaps, in which going against Trump would not get you primaried.  Trump is still immensely popular among Republicans. If that somehow changed?  Then you'd probably get some GOP legislators to turn on him.  But I don't think we've ever seen this level of devotion.  I don't see enough Republicans turning.

(Also, my gut reaction to Halifax is that it's not Devin Nunes and he was actually trying to see our reaction...but maybe I was wrong).

“There was no collusion.”

“I don’t know any Russians.”

“I have nothing to hide.”

“I’ll sit down and talk to anyone.”

“We do everything by the book.”

“Only the guilty plea the fifth.”

“Very legal, very cool.”

“Fully exonerated.”

“Essentially no collusion.”

 Follow the damn money, from Russia with love and a PTape, all the way to impeachment.

Halifax2TheMax said:

OnWis97 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

The response from my Congressperson after emailing them post Mueller news conference:

Thank you for writing to express your support for the impeachment of President Donald J. Trump.  I appreciate your taking the time to share your thoughts on this important issue.

As you know, Donald Trump, as both a candidate and a president, has been mired in controversy. The nation and the world have witnessed the growing evidence of contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian officials, the mishandling of important security information, and substantial evidence of obstruction of justice.  Moreover, the Trump administration has refused to comply with multiple requests for information, appearances, and even defied subpoenas from multiple congressional committees.

Because of the Administration’s wholesale obstruction of valid congressional oversight, combined with the widespread evidence of misdeeds that require further investigation laid out in the Mueller Report, at this time, I believe it is appropriate to open an impeachment inquiry.  Article Two, Section Four of the United States Constitution states, “The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High crimes and Misdemeanors.” 

Impeachment consists of two separate proceedings, the first of which begins in the House of Representatives.  First, the House must open an inquiry to determine whether there is enough evidence to begin an impeachment proceeding. If the Judiciary Committee determines it is appropriate and supported by the evidence, we would vote on articles of impeachment, to formally approve allegations of wrongdoing amounting to high crimes and misdemeanors. If approved by a simple majority of the House, the articles of impeachment are then forwarded to the Senate where the second proceeding takes place: an impeachment trial. If the Senate, by vote of a two-thirds majority, convicts the official of the alleged offenses, the result is removal from office of those still in office, and, at the Senate's discretion, disqualification from holding future office. 

I do not take impeachment or the potential removal of our President from office lightly.  Starting this process would be a sobering step for our country and must only be taken upon a grave breach in conduct such that it is incompatible with the laws of our nation or proper performance of the duties of office.  I believe that President Trump’s wholesale violation of law and order, by refusing to comply with any congressional oversight, amounts to obstruction of justice. He has left us with no choice but to begin an impeachment inquiry.  The Speaker of the House, together with other members of House Leadership will ultimately decide our path forward. I have joined many of my House colleagues in arguing for the beginning of an impeachment inquiry and we are having healthy discussions as a Caucus on the best strategy.

Once again, thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding your support for the impeachment of President Donald J. Trump.  If I may be of assistance to you again in the future, please do not hesitate to contact me.  In the meantime, please visit www.house.gov for up-to-date information.

My best always

Member of Congress

Interesting response from a Republican. I wonder if any of his colleagues in the Senate feel the same way. I bet some do. But would they actually vote to convict in an impeachment trial? 

You should post the email you sent him as well.

At this point, the only way a GOP senator would vote this way is if he/she was putting country and rule of law ahead of his/her own own seat.  I doubt there's a state, outside of Utah, perhaps, in which going against Trump would not get you primaried.  Trump is still immensely popular among Republicans. If that somehow changed?  Then you'd probably get some GOP legislators to turn on him.  But I don't think we've ever seen this level of devotion.  I don't see enough Republicans turning.

(Also, my gut reaction to Halifax is that it's not Devin Nunes and he was actually trying to see our reaction...but maybe I was wrong).

I was being facetious, least I reveal my location and the forum hordes arrive at my bulkhead, dragging me out of my mother's basement as I cling to my keyboard with my Cheeto encrusted fingers. But as it stands today, 48 dems and 1 repub have publicly called for impeachment hearings to begin. And I'm proud to be represented by a Congressperson who stands up for the Constitution.

More on all of this later as I'm still reading the Team Mueller Report and I'm slammed at work, plus I have a new part time job as a taster for Doritos.

“There was no collusion.”

“I don’t know any Russians.”

“I have nothing to hide.”

“I’ll sit down and talk to anyone.”

“We do everything by the book.”

“Only the guilty plea the fifth.”

“Very legal, very cool.”

“Fully exonerated.”

“Essentially no collusion.”

 Follow the damn money, from Russia with love and a PTape, all the way to impeachment.

I can't say I appreciate the lie. I tend to assume you all aren't going to lie when I ask a question, so I believed you, which is why I wowed at your answer. So thanks for making me waste my time considering the meaning of Nunes taking that position.

dignin said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJ_Soul said:

Which member of Congress was that from Halifax?

Devin Nunes.