Abortion-Keep Legal, Yes or No?

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    edited May 2019
    PJPOWER said:
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    jeffbr said:
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    Meltdown99 said:
    All the females should move out of the state...
    The irony of that is that there are plenty of women out there that are completely anti-abortion.  Not really a male vs female issue.
    It is 100% a male vs female issue, because it is almost all male politicians who are dictating what women do with their bodies, which makes me sick to my stomach. Of course there are women out there who are strictly anti-abortion. Thank goodness nobody is forcing them to have abortions! But my point is that if it weren't for men, there is no fucking way in hell abortion laws would be getting challenged. And FWIW, any woman who is for this kind of government control over women's bodies, no matter how they feel about abortion, IS a fucking fool in the extreme. At best.
    Maybe not 100% male vs female, but I digress.  It is currently in the hands of female governor Kay Ivey, so we’ll see what happens.  I really don’t know much about her and her view on the subject, and really don’t have the time to look into it.
    She's very anti-choice, and is very likely to sign the bill.
    So 100% female vs female at this point in the state?  Interesting...
    This never would have hit her desk if it weren't for men. The abortion debate would literally be dead in America if it weren't for men (or if men were the ones who got pregnant). That is the point I already made.
    And she is, btw, and fucking piece of shit, clearly.
    Interesting logic, ha. I guess it could also be said that if there were no men, there would be no abortions.  I guess I’m just not looking at this from such a man hater perspective.
    I'm not even remotely close to being a man hater. But I am not surprised you defaulted to that, judging from your general attitude on the subject. Honestly, I think your defensiveness is causing you to literally not even grasp most the concepts involved when it comes to this topic.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,366
    “Every life is a ‘sacred gift of god.’” Even those born of rape and incest.

    Somebody ought to introduce a bill that demands child support from the father beginning at 6 weeks of gestation and to be financially responsible for half of all costs associated with giving birth, and jail them for failure to pay.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,486
    edited May 2019
    Meltdown99 said:

    Greatest country...


    .. out of countries stuck in the 1800s.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    Meltdown99 said:

    Absolutely revolting.
    And I wonder how many of the people who voted for the bill knocked up some woman and covered the abortion. There is no way that number is zero.
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,452
    I wonder how many of those "pro-lifers" are also pro death penalty 
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    Bentleyspop said:
    I wonder how many of those "pro-lifers" are also pro death penalty 
    I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of them are.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,531
    drakeheuer14 said:
    If there is a heartbeat, it isn’t just “your body” anymore. 
    that blob of cells have functioning lungs to oxygenate the blood that heart is pumping?

    remember the book said god breathed life into adam......
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    You guys never learned tolerance of opposing viewpoints, huh? I’m pro choice but I’m smart enough to know if I go online and call someone a shithead for thinking differently than me that someone who’s unsure about their feelings on the issue will read my comment, dislike it, and probably take the opposite position.  Keep calling names and watch your elections fizzle out to those you spit such hate at.
    this issue is not simply "opposing viewpoints". they are deciding, quite literally in many many cases, on life or death of these women. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    edited May 2019
    I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with people who are anti-abortion. We are all talking about having no tolerance for being anti-choice, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It is a direct assault on the rights of women as sentient beings, and I think anyone who expects a woman to have tolerance for THAT is, well, I won't say it here, as I might get in trouble.
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    This is the Christian version of Sharia Law. Remember all of the anti-Muslim rhetoric about them coming here and instituting Sharia Law? I'm frankly more concerned with the domestic terrorists who are implementing their faith-based laws and expecting the secular among us to conform. It is time to fight the real enemy - religion. None of this anti-choice bullshit would even be a thing without it.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    jeffbr said:
    This is the Christian version of Sharia Law. Remember all of the anti-Muslim rhetoric about them coming here and instituting Sharia Law? I'm frankly more concerned with the domestic terrorists who are implementing their faith-based laws and expecting the secular among us to conform. It is time to fight the real enemy - religion. None of this anti-choice bullshit would even be a thing without it.
    I agree with you completely, aside from one thing - the real enemy is religion in politics and law. Not just religion alone. I don't give a fuck if someone wants to hate abortion because of God all on their own. They just shouldn't have the right to apply those beliefs to others... and that is exactly what the American governments are now allowing to happen, and yes indeed, it is a MUCH bigger threat than Sharia Law is, and a very very real one coming true now, not just some random fear that it might. I can't fucking believe that America hasn't managed to keep Christianity out of its laws this day and age. It's absolutely appalling, and yes, fit for a fucking 3rd world government, and not a very good one at that.
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    PJ_Soul said:
    jeffbr said:
    This is the Christian version of Sharia Law. Remember all of the anti-Muslim rhetoric about them coming here and instituting Sharia Law? I'm frankly more concerned with the domestic terrorists who are implementing their faith-based laws and expecting the secular among us to conform. It is time to fight the real enemy - religion. None of this anti-choice bullshit would even be a thing without it.
    I agree with you completely, aside from one thing - the real enemy is religion in politics and law. Not just religion alone. I don't give a fuck if someone wants to hate abortion because of God all on their own. They just shouldn't have the right to apply those beliefs to others... and that is exactly what the American governments are now allowing to happen, and yes indeed, it is a MUCH bigger threat than Sharia Law is, and a very very real one coming true now, not just some random fear that it might. I can't fucking believe that America hasn't managed to keep Christianity out of its laws this day and age. It's absolutely appalling, and yes, fit for a fucking 3rd world government, and not a very good one at that.
    Good clarification, I agree. People can believe anything they want. But bringing their mythologies into government positions, and building laws around it goes too far. 
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177

    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,531
    care to guess how many of these states passing restrictive abortion laws have the death penalty?
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    jeffbr said:

    *CHILLS*
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJPOWER said:
    jeffbr said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    All the females should move out of the state...
    The irony of that is that there are plenty of women out there that are completely anti-abortion.  Not really a male vs female issue.
    It is 100% a male vs female issue, because it is almost all male politicians who are dictating what women do with their bodies, which makes me sick to my stomach. Of course there are women out there who are strictly anti-abortion. Thank goodness nobody is forcing them to have abortions! But my point is that if it weren't for men, there is no fucking way in hell abortion laws would be getting challenged. And FWIW, any woman who is for this kind of government control over women's bodies, no matter how they feel about abortion, IS a fucking fool in the extreme. At best.
    Maybe not 100% male vs female, but I digress.  It is currently in the hands of female governor Kay Ivey, so we’ll see what happens.  I really don’t know much about her and her view on the subject, and really don’t have the time to look into it.
    She's very anti-choice, and is very likely to sign the bill.
    So 100% female vs female at this point in the state?  Interesting...
    This never would have hit her desk if it weren't for men. The abortion debate would literally be dead in America if it weren't for men (or if men were the ones who got pregnant). That is the point I already made.
    And she is, btw, and fucking piece of shit, clearly.
    Interesting logic, ha. I guess it could also be said that if there were no men, there would be no abortions.  I guess I’m just not looking at this from such a man hater perspective.
    I'm not even remotely close to being a man hater. But I am not surprised you defaulted to that, judging from your general attitude on the subject. Honestly, I think your defensiveness is causing you to literally not even grasp most the concepts involved when it comes to this topic.
    Well that’s quite the remarkable analysis there..../s. Honestly, I expected nothing more than the typical poorly constructed put down.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    PJPOWER said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJPOWER said:
    jeffbr said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    All the females should move out of the state...
    The irony of that is that there are plenty of women out there that are completely anti-abortion.  Not really a male vs female issue.
    It is 100% a male vs female issue, because it is almost all male politicians who are dictating what women do with their bodies, which makes me sick to my stomach. Of course there are women out there who are strictly anti-abortion. Thank goodness nobody is forcing them to have abortions! But my point is that if it weren't for men, there is no fucking way in hell abortion laws would be getting challenged. And FWIW, any woman who is for this kind of government control over women's bodies, no matter how they feel about abortion, IS a fucking fool in the extreme. At best.
    Maybe not 100% male vs female, but I digress.  It is currently in the hands of female governor Kay Ivey, so we’ll see what happens.  I really don’t know much about her and her view on the subject, and really don’t have the time to look into it.
    She's very anti-choice, and is very likely to sign the bill.
    So 100% female vs female at this point in the state?  Interesting...
    This never would have hit her desk if it weren't for men. The abortion debate would literally be dead in America if it weren't for men (or if men were the ones who got pregnant). That is the point I already made.
    And she is, btw, and fucking piece of shit, clearly.
    Interesting logic, ha. I guess it could also be said that if there were no men, there would be no abortions.  I guess I’m just not looking at this from such a man hater perspective.
    I'm not even remotely close to being a man hater. But I am not surprised you defaulted to that, judging from your general attitude on the subject. Honestly, I think your defensiveness is causing you to literally not even grasp most the concepts involved when it comes to this topic.
    Well that’s quite the remarkable analysis there..../s. Honestly, I expected nothing more than the typical poorly constructed put down.
    An argument that rests on a premise of man hating doesn’t really warrant any more in-depth response. 
     
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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Makes sense since the GOP loves people, cares about education, healthcare, gun violence, war, immigrants, the poor etc.  falls in line how much they just cherish life.



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  • drakeheuer14
    drakeheuer14 Posts: 4,623
    These bans are ridiculous. So is the notion that you must be religious to be more in the pro-life arena.

    The whole topic is sad. For or against. 
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