Abortion-Keep Legal, Yes or No?

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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    edited June 18
    there are only a few trigger issues with me.. abortion is one of them.  i acknowledge that i havent read any of the posts since ilast posted. i also acknowledge that this is because i cant really have a discussion about it because i simply cannot see the con side of pro choice. nor as a woman can i accept it. sure go ahead and tell me why you dont support  pro choice and the autonomy of women's bodies, however i will tune out because  in my mind you will always be wrong because unless its your body you dont have a say imo.  am i being close minded? i dont think so cause what it comes down to it, for me  a woman's body is nobody's body but hers... and i can not support the involuntary incubation that some people feel woman should go through simply because they had sex and that sex resulted in a pregnancy.  woman are not gestational slaves. we can not force a woman through legislative control to carry a pregnancy to term just as we can not impose upon any other human  an action that impinges upon the autonomy of their own body. and that is my final word on the subject.  
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  • drakeheuer14drakeheuer14 Posts: 2,620
    Yikes. And that is why there is no point to have a conversation about it. Minds aren’t changing on this topic. Peace. 
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 6,630
    there are only a few trigger issues with me.. abortion is one of them.  i acknowledge that i havent read any of the posts since ilast posted. i also acknowledge that this is because i cant really have a discussion about it because i simply cannot see the con side of pro choice. nor as a woman can i accept it. sure go ahead and tell me why you dont support  pro choice and the autonomy of women's bodies, however i will tune out because  in my mind you will always be wrong because unless its your body you dont have a say imo.  am i being close minded? i dont think so cause what it comes down to it, for me  a woman's body is nobody's body but hers... and i can not support the involuntary incubation that some people feel woman should go through simply because they had sex and that sex resulted in a pregnancy.  woman are not gestational slaves. we can not force a woman through legislative control to carry a pregnancy to term just as we can not impose upon any other human  an action that impinges upon the autonomy of their own body. and that is my final word on the subject.  
    Thanks for being so honest and forthright. 
    This topic needs more women speaking the women's perspective.
  • drakeheuer14drakeheuer14 Posts: 2,620
    there are only a few trigger issues with me.. abortion is one of them.  i acknowledge that i havent read any of the posts since ilast posted. i also acknowledge that this is because i cant really have a discussion about it because i simply cannot see the con side of pro choice. nor as a woman can i accept it. sure go ahead and tell me why you dont support  pro choice and the autonomy of women's bodies, however i will tune out because  in my mind you will always be wrong because unless its your body you dont have a say imo.  am i being close minded? i dont think so cause what it comes down to it, for me  a woman's body is nobody's body but hers... and i can not support the involuntary incubation that some people feel woman should go through simply because they had sex and that sex resulted in a pregnancy.  woman are not gestational slaves. we can not force a woman through legislative control to carry a pregnancy to term just as we can not impose upon any other human  an action that impinges upon the autonomy of their own body. and that is my final word on the subject.  
    Thanks for being so honest and forthright. 
    This topic needs more women speaking the women's perspective.
    You say that until it doesn’t fit that same narrative.  
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 7,862
    there are only a few trigger issues with me.. abortion is one of them.  i acknowledge that i havent read any of the posts since ilast posted. i also acknowledge that this is because i cant really have a discussion about it because i simply cannot see the con side of pro choice. nor as a woman can i accept it. sure go ahead and tell me why you dont support  pro choice and the autonomy of women's bodies, however i will tune out because  in my mind you will always be wrong because unless its your body you dont have a say imo.  am i being close minded? i dont think so cause what it comes down to it, for me  a woman's body is nobody's body but hers... and i can not support the involuntary incubation that some people feel woman should go through simply because they had sex and that sex resulted in a pregnancy.  woman are not gestational slaves. we can not force a woman through legislative control to carry a pregnancy to term just as we can not impose upon any other human  an action that impinges upon the autonomy of their own body. and that is my final word on the subject.  
    I can understand and appreciate your position, but I don't agree with it. 

    A human life has constitutional rights. If a human life is living within another human life, both of those lives have constitutional rights, so fundamentally, there's ambiguity in the constitution that carries risk of neglectful treatment, and we a society should cast a legal decision should be made on whether 'do no harm' principles can be waived for a human life living within another human life (just as we pursue removing ambiguities in constitutional law on a regular basis). Since something of this nature is likely to be stuck in courts or the hands of politicians for a long time, the best way I can think of to advocate for women's rights to abortion in the meantime, is to legally define the start of a human life in terms of weeks of pregnancy, and to follow in Illinois' footsteps, and state that a fetus, embryo, or unfertilized egg should have no rights, hard stop. As for the portion of an abortion where there is a legally-defined human within a woman's body, this can still be legislated in a way that states that abortion is a human right and supersedes the constitutional rights of a child.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon In My PlacePosts: 19,218
    mickeyrat said:
    a complete disregard for life to not acknowledge it as life at a defined time during the pregnancy. 
    I agree.

    EDIT: But doesn't everyone? Or hmm.. Am I lost here?
    Well apparently I am spreading propaganda when I myself said I am not completely against having a choice up to a certain point. All I want are defined rules of engagement. 

    The only argument from me is where said point is during the pregnancy. 
    science has determined at roughly 26 weeks.  after that ,while not a garauntee, medical science has shown babies can survive at 27 weeks.
    21 weeks and 5 days, and a baby can survive.

    So that 26 weeks of yours sounds off..?

    In Sweden it is in a legal sense considered to be "a child" at week 22.
    So Sweden allows the murder of 2 day old survivable babies?  Sick place.
    If you wan't to look at it that way, I guess. Not fully read up on rules and stuff regarding this.

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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 16,287
    edited August 20
    Hal Rounds of the West Fayette County Republican Party said he remembers being in his mother’s womb.
    Rounds was one of a slew of people who testified before the Judiciary committee Tuesday about Senate Bill 1236, also known as the Fetal Heartbeat Bill.
    “I have a conceptual memory of being born,” said Rounds. “In the womb there is a sensation of compression and advancement against one side and another and sudden urgent pressure to burst out.”
    Rounds said he had a dream throughout his youth and one day he realized the dream was like being born and that’s when the dreams stopped.
    “I believe that the consciousness of the child begun in the womb,” said Rounds. “And when you kill a child, you are killing a person that is not just aware of nothing, but being a person.”


    https://www.wbir.com/article/news/politics/mid-south-political-leader-testifies-remembering-his-birth-during-tennessee-abortion-bill-debate/51-838258da-0679-4f9d-b179-bf07f1ebb69c
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  • KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere.Posts: 3,739
    I don't believe him.

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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 7,263
    Come on...you mean to me that only a few of us remember coming to life in the womb and the birth it self...those were fond memories.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon In My PlacePosts: 19,218
    Hal Rounds of the West Fayette County Republican Party said he remembers being in his mother’s womb.
    Rounds was one of a slew of people who testified before the Judiciary committee Tuesday about Senate Bill 1236, also known as the Fetal Heartbeat Bill.
    “I have a conceptual memory of being born,” said Rounds. “In the womb there is a sensation of compression and advancement against one side and another and sudden urgent pressure to burst out.”
    Rounds said he had a dream throughout his youth and one day he realized the dream was like being born and that’s when the dreams stopped.
    “I believe that the consciousness of the child begun in the womb,” said Rounds. “And when you kill a child, you are killing a person that is not just aware of nothing, but being a person.”


    https://www.wbir.com/article/news/politics/mid-south-political-leader-testifies-remembering-his-birth-during-tennessee-abortion-bill-debate/51-838258da-0679-4f9d-b179-bf07f1ebb69c
    all science points to this being absolute 100% bullshit
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 5,283
    Come on...you mean to me that only a few of us remember coming to life in the womb and the birth it self...those were fond memories.
    I can barely remember what happened last week, lol
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon In My PlacePosts: 19,218
    i had a girlfriend who claimed she remembers being in the fucking crib. i call bullshit on that too. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 15,699
    Planned Parenthood is stopping receipt of title x funds as a response to new gag rules being put in place surrounding abortion as an option. they hope to cover the loss of funds privately which goes toward family planning services for their clients......

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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 7,263
    PJPOWER said:
    Come on...you mean to me that only a few of us remember coming to life in the womb and the birth it self...those were fond memories.
    I can barely remember what happened last week, lol
    I just had lunch.  "Now, what did I have again"?  That's me.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 16,287
    Hal Rounds of the West Fayette County Republican Party said he remembers being in his mother’s womb.
    Rounds was one of a slew of people who testified before the Judiciary committee Tuesday about Senate Bill 1236, also known as the Fetal Heartbeat Bill.
    “I have a conceptual memory of being born,” said Rounds. “In the womb there is a sensation of compression and advancement against one side and another and sudden urgent pressure to burst out.”
    Rounds said he had a dream throughout his youth and one day he realized the dream was like being born and that’s when the dreams stopped.
    “I believe that the consciousness of the child begun in the womb,” said Rounds. “And when you kill a child, you are killing a person that is not just aware of nothing, but being a person.”


    https://www.wbir.com/article/news/politics/mid-south-political-leader-testifies-remembering-his-birth-during-tennessee-abortion-bill-debate/51-838258da-0679-4f9d-b179-bf07f1ebb69c
    all science points to this being absolute 100% bullshit
    All science points to people still voting for him and him not being laughed out of his party in the US of A.
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  • pearljammr78pearljammr78 Posts: 813
    Somedays I wish I was aborted. Pro Choice!!
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 15,699
    edited August 25
    Hal Rounds of the West Fayette County Republican Party said he remembers being in his mother’s womb.
    Rounds was one of a slew of people who testified before the Judiciary committee Tuesday about Senate Bill 1236, also known as the Fetal Heartbeat Bill.
    “I have a conceptual memory of being born,” said Rounds. “In the womb there is a sensation of compression and advancement against one side and another and sudden urgent pressure to burst out.”
    Rounds said he had a dream throughout his youth and one day he realized the dream was like being born and that’s when the dreams stopped.
    “I believe that the consciousness of the child begun in the womb,” said Rounds. “And when you kill a child, you are killing a person that is not just aware of nothing, but being a person.”


    https://www.wbir.com/article/news/politics/mid-south-political-leader-testifies-remembering-his-birth-during-tennessee-abortion-bill-debate/51-838258da-0679-4f9d-b179-bf07f1ebb69c
    all science points to this being absolute 100% bullshit
    All science points to people still voting for him and him not being laughed out of his party in the US of A.
    psst. its not his party....... Just like the D's arent Bernie's party.
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  • pearljammr78pearljammr78 Posts: 813
    mickeyrat said:
    Hal Rounds of the West Fayette County Republican Party said he remembers being in his mother’s womb.
    Rounds was one of a slew of people who testified before the Judiciary committee Tuesday about Senate Bill 1236, also known as the Fetal Heartbeat Bill.
    “I have a conceptual memory of being born,” said Rounds. “In the womb there is a sensation of compression and advancement against one side and another and sudden urgent pressure to burst out.”
    Rounds said he had a dream throughout his youth and one day he realized the dream was like being born and that’s when the dreams stopped.
    “I believe that the consciousness of the child begun in the womb,” said Rounds. “And when you kill a child, you are killing a person that is not just aware of nothing, but being a person.”


    https://www.wbir.com/article/news/politics/mid-south-political-leader-testifies-remembering-his-birth-during-tennessee-abortion-bill-debate/51-838258da-0679-4f9d-b179-bf07f1ebb69c
    all science points to this being absolute 100% bullshit
    All science points to people still voting for him and him not being laughed out of his party in the US of A.
    psst. its not his party....... Just like the D's arent Bernie's party.
    Deez nuts. Sorry saw the D’s and had to say it. 

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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 6,630
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 8,816
    It is possible to be pro choice and still anti abortion.  I would prefer that no one get an abortion but that isn't reasonable.  It isn't my right (and it sure as hell isn't the government's fucking right) to tell a woman what she can do with her body.
     

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon In My PlacePosts: 19,218
    It is possible to be pro choice and still anti abortion.  I would prefer that no one get an abortion but that isn't reasonable.  It isn't my right (and it sure as hell isn't the government's fucking right) to tell a woman what she can do with her body.
     

    That's me too. 
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 8,816
    “Let’s put ourselves in the shoes of a woman in that situation. If it’s that late in your pregnancy ... it’s [almost to the point] that you’ve been expecting to carry it to term,” Buttigieg added. “Families ... then get the most devastating medical news of their lifetime. ... That decision is not going to be made any better, medically or morally, because the government is dictating how that decision should be made.”

    Buttigieg was discussing the roughly 6,000 cases of late term abortion per year in the US

    https://www.vox.com/2019/5/19/18631854/pete-buttigieg-fox-news-town-hall
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 6,630
    It is possible to be pro choice and still anti abortion.  I would prefer that no one get an abortion but that isn't reasonable.  It isn't my right (and it sure as hell isn't the government's fucking right) to tell a woman what she can do with her body.
     

    I know many people who are Pro-Choice.
    I don't know anyone that is Pro-Abortion 
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 16,287
    Wouldn't everyone prefer that no one gets an abortion?

    I don't think anyone thinks like this literally:


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  • KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere.Posts: 3,739
    edited August 27
    Wouldn't everyone prefer that no one gets an abortion?

    I don't think anyone thinks like this literally:

    (gif removed because it's dumb)
    I'd vote for that being the dumbest movie line ever. :::shaking head at the stupidity:::

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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 16,287
    edited August 27
    Kat said:
    Wouldn't everyone prefer that no one gets an abortion?

    I don't think anyone thinks like this literally:

    (gif removed because it's dumb)
    I'd vote for that being the dumbest movie line ever. :::shaking head at the stupidity:::

    You like the one in the script/book more that they had to replace?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,981
    Kat said:
    Wouldn't everyone prefer that no one gets an abortion?

    I don't think anyone thinks like this literally:

    (gif removed because it's dumb)
    I'd vote for that being the dumbest movie line ever. :::shaking head at the stupidity:::

    You like the one in the script/book more that they had to replace?
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