Abortion-Keep Legal, Yes or No?

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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 16,005
    edited August 27
    mrussel1 said:
    Kat said:
    Wouldn't everyone prefer that no one gets an abortion?

    I don't think anyone thinks like this literally:

    (gif removed because it's dumb)
    I'd vote for that being the dumbest movie line ever. :::shaking head at the stupidity:::

    You like the one in the script/book more that they had to replace?
    You read the script to Fight Club?  
    I don't remember if I have...

    But I am well versed in the films of David Fincher. Like anyone with some self respect.

    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
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    we're removing gif's because of their "dumbness" now?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 15,524
    we're removing gif's because of their "dumbness" now?
    that quoter did.  because it is. posting a gif from a fucking movie based on a book of fiction about such a serious topic is stupid. thinks he is being cute and he's not.  the original quoted post is undisturbed.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,771
    mrussel1 said:
    Kat said:
    Wouldn't everyone prefer that no one gets an abortion?

    I don't think anyone thinks like this literally:

    (gif removed because it's dumb)
    I'd vote for that being the dumbest movie line ever. :::shaking head at the stupidity:::

    You like the one in the script/book more that they had to replace?
    You read the script to Fight Club?  
    I don't remember if I have...

    But I am well versed in the films of David Fincher. Like anyone with some self respect.

    Great point.  You have no self respect if you don't read screen plays by David Fincher.  Let me introduce you to a new word so you can misuse it.. non-sequitur.  
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 16,005
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Kat said:
    Wouldn't everyone prefer that no one gets an abortion?

    I don't think anyone thinks like this literally:

    (gif removed because it's dumb)
    I'd vote for that being the dumbest movie line ever. :::shaking head at the stupidity:::

    You like the one in the script/book more that they had to replace?
    You read the script to Fight Club?  
    I don't remember if I have...

    But I am well versed in the films of David Fincher. Like anyone with some self respect.

    Great point.  You have no self respect if you don't read screen plays by David Fincher.  Let me introduce you to a new word so you can misuse it.. non-sequitur.  
    When has David Fincher ever written a screenplay?
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon In My PlacePosts: 18,897
    edited August 27
    mickeyrat said:
    we're removing gif's because of their "dumbness" now?
    that quoter did.  because it is. posting a gif from a fucking movie based on a book of fiction about such a serious topic is stupid. thinks he is being cute and he's not.  the original quoted post is undisturbed.
    well I thought it was semi-relevant given the posts he was responding to and the point he was making. doesn't take anything away from the seriousness of the topic. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon In My PlacePosts: 18,897
    Kat said:
    Wouldn't everyone prefer that no one gets an abortion?

    I don't think anyone thinks like this literally:

    (gif removed because it's dumb)
    I'd vote for that being the dumbest movie line ever. :::shaking head at the stupidity:::

    fight club is a classic masterpiece. it's not dumb. it's meant to be shocking and in keeping with the characters' casual relationship with life and death. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,771
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Kat said:
    Wouldn't everyone prefer that no one gets an abortion?

    I don't think anyone thinks like this literally:

    (gif removed because it's dumb)
    I'd vote for that being the dumbest movie line ever. :::shaking head at the stupidity:::

    You like the one in the script/book more that they had to replace?
    You read the script to Fight Club?  
    I don't remember if I have...

    But I am well versed in the films of David Fincher. Like anyone with some self respect.

    Great point.  You have no self respect if you don't read screen plays by David Fincher.  Let me introduce you to a new word so you can misuse it.. non-sequitur.  
    When has David Fincher ever written a screenplay?
    I give about 1% of shits compared to you on American cinema culture. Your conclusion still did not follow.  
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 16,005
    edited August 27
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Kat said:
    Wouldn't everyone prefer that no one gets an abortion?

    I don't think anyone thinks like this literally:

    (gif removed because it's dumb)
    I'd vote for that being the dumbest movie line ever. :::shaking head at the stupidity:::

    You like the one in the script/book more that they had to replace?
    You read the script to Fight Club?  
    I don't remember if I have...

    But I am well versed in the films of David Fincher. Like anyone with some self respect.

    Great point.  You have no self respect if you don't read screen plays by David Fincher.  Let me introduce you to a new word so you can misuse it.. non-sequitur.  
    When has David Fincher ever written a screenplay?
    I give about 1% of shits compared to you on American cinema culture. Your conclusion still did not follow.  
    Well then, why even start a discussion? "Screenwriter David Fincher"...




    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,771
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Kat said:
    Wouldn't everyone prefer that no one gets an abortion?

    I don't think anyone thinks like this literally:

    (gif removed because it's dumb)
    I'd vote for that being the dumbest movie line ever. :::shaking head at the stupidity:::

    You like the one in the script/book more that they had to replace?
    You read the script to Fight Club?  
    I don't remember if I have...

    But I am well versed in the films of David Fincher. Like anyone with some self respect.

    Great point.  You have no self respect if you don't read screen plays by David Fincher.  Let me introduce you to a new word so you can misuse it.. non-sequitur.  
    When has David Fincher ever written a screenplay?
    I give about 1% of shits compared to you on American cinema culture. Your conclusion still did not follow.  
    Well then, why even start a discussion? "Screenwriter David Fincher"...




    I'm pretty sure I didn't.  I simply asked if you read the script.  That led to your profound declaration about self respect.  
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 16,005
    edited August 27
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Kat said:
    Wouldn't everyone prefer that no one gets an abortion?

    I don't think anyone thinks like this literally:

    (gif removed because it's dumb)
    I'd vote for that being the dumbest movie line ever. :::shaking head at the stupidity:::

    You like the one in the script/book more that they had to replace?
    You read the script to Fight Club?  
    I don't remember if I have...

    But I am well versed in the films of David Fincher. Like anyone with some self respect.

    Great point.  You have no self respect if you don't read screen plays by David Fincher.  Let me introduce you to a new word so you can misuse it.. non-sequitur.  
    When has David Fincher ever written a screenplay?
    I give about 1% of shits compared to you on American cinema culture. Your conclusion still did not follow.  
    Well then, why even start a discussion? "Screenwriter David Fincher"...




    I'm pretty sure I didn't.  I simply asked if you read the script.  That led to your profound declaration about self respect.  
    You met me at a very strange time in my life.


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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    edited September 14
    benjs said:
    there are only a few trigger issues with me.. abortion is one of them.  i acknowledge that i havent read any of the posts since ilast posted. i also acknowledge that this is because i cant really have a discussion about it because i simply cannot see the con side of pro choice. nor as a woman can i accept it. sure go ahead and tell me why you dont support  pro choice and the autonomy of women's bodies, however i will tune out because  in my mind you will always be wrong because unless its your body you dont have a say imo.  am i being close minded? i dont think so cause what it comes down to it, for me  a woman's body is nobody's body but hers... and i can not support the involuntary incubation that some people feel woman should go through simply because they had sex and that sex resulted in a pregnancy.  woman are not gestational slaves. we can not force a woman through legislative control to carry a pregnancy to term just as we can not impose upon any other human  an action that impinges upon the autonomy of their own body. and that is my final word on the subject.  
    I can understand and appreciate your position, but I don't agree with it. 

    A human life has constitutional rights. If a human life is living within another human life, both of those lives have constitutional rights, so fundamentally, there's ambiguity in the constitution that carries risk of neglectful treatment, and we a society should cast a legal decision should be made on whether 'do no harm' principles can be waived for a human life living within another human life (just as we pursue removing ambiguities in constitutional law on a regular basis). Since something of this nature is likely to be stuck in courts or the hands of politicians for a long time, the best way I can think of to advocate for women's rights to abortion in the meantime, is to legally define the start of a human life in terms of weeks of pregnancy, and to follow in Illinois' footsteps, and state that a fetus, embryo, or unfertilized egg should have no rights, hard stop. As for the portion of an abortion where there is a legally-defined human within a woman's body, this can still be legislated in a way that states that abortion is a human right and supersedes the constitutional rights of a child.


    which part dont you agree with? is it the part where women have autonomy over their own bodies just as men do?  
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
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