mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Whether this Beto or not...this funny.

Damn I hope he didn't do this at Wrigley!

What a ahole he was.  Im glad he's banned. 

Who? What?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kgun9.com/sports/cubs-ban-fan-from-wrigley-field-indefinitely-after-he-made-a-white-power-gesture-behind-black-man?_amp=true

Ah okey.. thought it was something about a tenclub member and the Pearl Jam shows tat wrigley.

... and instead it was just sports...

Good he got banned though.

Spiritual_Chaos said:

njnancy said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

And people want this guy to be president instead of Bernie

https://twitter.com/justicedems/status/1127212935556812800

I don't know why you are so pro-Bernie, but to each their own.  I think you can qualify as a Bernie Bro soon.

He has a horrible record on gun control, that is a disqualifying policy stance for me. 

I am sick of people being shot everywhere and children being subconsciously traumatized by the damn things.

Bernie may be a socialist, but he likes guns without regulations. He may change his tune now, but that is not his true position. 

Down vote. 

Because I've got a feeling, a feeling deep inside that Bernie isn't chained to the patriotic/nationalistic indoctrination that you can see in the eyes of far to many Americans - from politicians, to journalists to regular folks.

And I think being freed from that gives great possibilities to open up for honest and productive change. Patriotism is, as stated by Sean Connery in The Rock, a virtue of the vicious.

Compared to Biden, who I bet is "same ol' same ol' the greatest experiment ever created and the legend of the godly founding fathers and the american spirit"

I've done AA's Steps 4-9 twice so I am blatantly aware of my own bullshit. But thanks for the reminder. 

Bernie has many ideas for making America more socialist, in a good way, as universal healthcare, free tuition, taxing the millionaires and billionaires (though he only says billionaires now that he finally released his taxes and, oh look, he's a millionaire - nothing wrong with it, but it hurts his talking point), clean energy, etc. Where Bernie does not make the cut is in several main areas that are necessary to be elected and to be a good President

1 - he does not fully work through his policies to say how he will  manage to pay for EACH of his policy ideas (besides 'let's tear down Wall Street' which would displace many, many regular everyday workers, in pursuit of ending Capitalism)  or how he will get it through a bipartisan Congress or how he would actually implement them, in detail.  I don't want happy ideas. I want facts. 

2 - The implementation of all of his policies would be AS chaotic to the country as Trump, just from the opposite end of the spectrum.  A   failing of the Democratic Socialists is a lack of self realization that their imposition of ideas on the country is just as fascist as the far Right doing all the crazy shit it is doing right now.  Progressives do not see any wiggle room. The system needs to be overhauled and anyone who does not agree with ALL of their ideas and accept them unconditionally is WRONG and not worthy of consideration. They know what's best, in the same way the pro-life zealots are uncompromising in their position regardless of their overreach, and expect everyone to accept their policies NOW because they know what is best for the country. That is not how you reach Americans and it is heavy handed no matter if I agree with the end result or not. It took everything Obama had to get Obama Care passed, in a watered down form due to Congressional negotiations, and it took his first 2+ years in office to get it passed. How is Bernie going to change everything he says he will? Especially if he is not interested in negotiating with those who are not on the same page. 

3 - He has no foreign policy experience. Our standing in the world is completely screwed up because we have someone in office who knows nothing about foreign policy and does not care to learn. Bernie may be willing to learn, but he has been in Washington for a long time and ran for President once already. The fact that he hasn't taken time to become more knowledgeable about the world is not a good sign.  We need someone who knows how the hell diplomacy works and how to appoint people who can start to fix our broken relationships, get us back into the treaties and accords we bailed on and do it all without starting a war somewhere. 

4 - He represents a state that is almost entirely white. He has not been interested in reaching out to minorities in his time in office and his last Presidential run. He has not shown diversity in his campaign staffing and his outreach to minority communities so far has been extremely lacking. You can not win the Democratic nomination, or the Presidency without the backing of black women. They are the backbone of the Democratic Party. They were responsible for a lot of the 2018 upsets. They do not like Bernie and he isn't trying to understand the needs of the black community. And he voted for the crime bill so he has that on his record too.  

5 - The people who back him are eerily similar to the people who back Trump. Not in ideology, but in their cult like devotion. They were willing to throw the election to Trump because they were so pissed off that Bernie didn't get the nomination. That may be great for a rock band or a movie star, but it is not a good thing to have as a politician. He has done nothing to temper his rhetoric to cause those who support him to understand that the most important thing is getting Trump out of office, no matter who the Democratic nominee is.

6 - He does not help his fellow Senate and Congressional candidates who are running in 2020 (he didn't do so in 2016 and I do not see any change in how he views the election), with money or endorsement. He has a purity test for candidates and he also just seems to care about Bernie winning without thinking of the need for change in the Senate and holding onto the Congress. 

So aside from the gun issue, I see a lot of bullshit in Bernie's campaign. I know where my political bullshit lies, but I want to win and Bernie is not going to win the Presidency against Trump. You may not realize it, but the way you defend Bernie is just like his supporters. It is dismissive of anyone who thinks differently, instead of trying to see why they think what they think.  He would have his base and people who would vote Democratic because we want Trump out, but there are major forces in the Democratic Party who would not turn out for him. Just like other major Democratic strongholds did not turn out for HRC. 

This is how it works in America. It's a fine dance and a big country with people of diverse political beliefs. I believe the country would keep the far Right fascist instead of swinging all the way around to vote for the far Left fascist. But I can understand why you find him appealing. America is not Sweden. There are policies that Sweden has which I think would be great in America, but I only have one vote. And I actually don't even have that because of the damn electoral college. 

Another Dem entering a crowded field...

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1128242890528964608

Another Dem entering a crowded field...

theoretically he takes votes from Biden, but I can't see him getting any traction.  He's a little known governor from a lesser known state.  

Almost by nature a repub.

What do these no-names think when there are 20 people ahead of them running...