The Democratic Candidates

mickeyrat

Tulsi Gabbard on Rogans podcast....

http://podcasts.joerogan.net/podcasts/tulsi-gabbard-2

mcgruff10

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/joe-biden-2020-democratic-nomination-donald-trump/index.html

Washington (CNN)The main storyline in the 2020 presidential race is this one: There are just so many candidates!!! 

And there are! With Montana Gov. Steve Bullock's announcement Tuesday morning, there are now 22(!) candidates running for the Democratic nomination. And that field could grow even larger later this week, when New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio is set to make a decision on his future political plans.

But there's another below-the-radar story that is emerging: Joe Biden is way, way out ahead of the rest of the giant field.

According to the Real Clear Politics average of national polling, Biden now has a 23.5-point lead over Bernie Sanders (and the rest of the pack). That's a massive leap for Biden from even a few weeks ago, when his lead was just 6 points over Sanders in RCP numbers. Biden is also ahead in Iowa (+4 in RCP averages), New Hampshire (+13 in RCP) and South Carolina (+23.5). (Nevada, which holds an early caucus, hasn't had enough polling to produce real averages.)

Now, Biden's bump is quite clearly the result of positive press surrounding his entrance into the race after months of hemming and hawing. The former vice president's rollout has been spot on, with none of the gaffes or negative press coverage that hamstrung his attempt to build momentum in the run-up to the announcement.

The most likely outcome, then, is that Biden's numbers return to earth somewhat after the initial glow of his announcement wears off. But even "returning to earth" will likely mean Biden's lead nationally is in -- at minimum -- the 10- to 15-point range. Which is still significant, especially if he continues to lead in key early states like Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina.

All of which raises an interesting possibility: What if, in this giant field, Biden runs away with the nomination? For all the focus on how many people are running, the race could effectively be over on February 3, 2020, if Biden crushes the field in the Iowa caucuses.

To be clear: This is not the most likely scenario. Primary voters -- in both parties -- tend to like competitive races. They don't like coronations. Hillary Clinton, at this point in the 2016 election, had a far larger lead over Sanders than Biden does today. And that primary fight wound up being far closer -- and lasting much longer -- than anyone would have imagined at the time.

But there are three reasons to think Biden could -- emphasis on could -- run away and hide with the nomination.

1) He's broadly liked within the party. Biden's lead over his rivals is not solely the result of his superior name identification. It's also because he is viewed quite favorably by Democrats of all stripes. In the latest CNN poll, conducted late last month, more than 8 in 10 Democrats said they have a favorable view of Biden while just 12% had an unfavorable one. That's remarkable -- especially for someone who has spent such a long time in politics. And Biden's favorability numbers are quite consistent among various demographic groups: Whites (79% favorable), non-whites (84%), men (76%) and women (86%).

2) He's running very strong with black voters. In 2008 and 2016, the foundational pillar of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton's winning coalitions in their Democratic primaries was African-American voters. And, right now, Biden appears to have a similar numbers among that key constituency. As I noted above, he is viewed hugely favorably among non-white voters nationally. And, in the key state of South Carolina -- where black voters comprise almost two-thirds of the Democratic primary electorate -- Biden is running very strongly. A new South Carolina primary poll showed Biden at 46% overall, well ahead of Sanders, who was second with 15%. Among black voters in that poll, Biden was at 58%!

3) He doesn't have much competition for the establishment mantle. While more than a dozen of the candidates running are seeking to be the liberal champion in the primary, there's scarce competition for Biden in the establishment/centrist lane of the race. Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar is trying to be that sort of candidate, but starts well behind Biden. Ditto Bullock, who starts well behind even Klobuchar. South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg remains something of a tabula rasa in terms of how he is positioning himself in the race but could, if he so chose, be a potential problem for Biden in the sensible centrist lane. But at the moment, Biden is running ahead in that space -- and with very little obvious competition.

No voters will cast a ballot for president for another 265 days. And history suggests that fights for presidential nominations rarely get less competitive as the votes draw nearer. But there is a path for Biden -- albeit it a narrow one -- to walk to the nomination. The question i

njnancy

Spiritual_Chaos said:

njnancy said:

 America is not Sweden. There are policies that Sweden has which I think would be great in America, but I only have one vote. And I actually don't even have that because of the damn electoral college. 

Well, as someone so famously sang once -- change don't come at once, it's a wave building before it breaks.

Thank you for your thoughtful response to my thoughtful post. 

As someone once sang 'You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you get what you need'.

Also 'Stir it up, little darling, stir it up'

Spiritual_Chaos

Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

All aboard the Warren train!

HughFreakingDillon

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

All aboard the Warren train!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html

I think she makes a lot of sense. I see democrats going on fox as a complete waste of time during primary season. 

PJ_Soul

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

All aboard the Warren train!

njnancy

Pete Buttigieg on Jimmy Fallon (from Morning Joe clip) discussing Trump's comparing him to Alfred E. Neuman -

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/buttigieg-laughs-off-trump-calling-him-alfred-e-neuman-59581509946

I like this one even better than the first. 

He'll make a great President someday - he should run for Senate!

Ledbetterman10

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

All aboard the Warren train!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html

I think she makes a lot of sense. I see democrats going on fox as a complete waste of time during primary season. 

I completely disagree. It's an opportunity for candidates to speak to Fox News (the highest rated cable news network) viewers without their words being disseminated through Hannity or whoever. That's actually a great opportunity, if you have the guts to go for it. Sanders and Klobachar did it. Buttigeg and Gillibrand are doing it. I think Warren's quote that Fox News is a "hate-for-profit racket that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiracists" is total cop-out. Not that there isn't truth to that statement, but even if you believe that, take them on. 

The Juggler

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

All aboard the Warren train!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html

I think she makes a lot of sense. I see democrats going on fox as a complete waste of time during primary season. 

I completely disagree. It's an opportunity for candidates to speak to Fox News (the highest rated cable news network) viewers without their words being disseminated through Hannity or whoever. That's actually a great opportunity, if you have the guts to go for it. Sanders and Klobachar did it. Buttigeg and Gillibrand are doing it. I think Warren's quote that Fox News is a "hate-for-profit racket that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiracists" is total cop-out. Not that there isn't truth to that statement, but even if you believe that, take them on. 

I agree. The hate for profit stuff may be true....but, yeah, it's not like Hannity or Tucker Carlson would moderate the thing. 

HughFreakingDillon

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

All aboard the Warren train!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html

I think she makes a lot of sense. I see democrats going on fox as a complete waste of time during primary season. 

I completely disagree. It's an opportunity for candidates to speak to Fox News (the highest rated cable news network) viewers without their words being disseminated through Hannity or whoever. That's actually a great opportunity, if you have the guts to go for it. Sanders and Klobachar did it. Buttigeg and Gillibrand are doing it. I think Warren's quote that Fox News is a "hate-for-profit racket that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiracists" is total cop-out. Not that there isn't truth to that statement, but even if you believe that, take them on. 

I think someone should go on possibly during the general. I'm saying I don't think it makes much sense during primary season. how many fox viewers will vote in the dem primaries? My guess is not many. 

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

All aboard the Warren train!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html

I think she makes a lot of sense. I see democrats going on fox as a complete waste of time during primary season. 

I completely disagree. It's an opportunity for candidates to speak to Fox News (the highest rated cable news network) viewers without their words being disseminated through Hannity or whoever. That's actually a great opportunity, if you have the guts to go for it. Sanders and Klobachar did it. Buttigeg and Gillibrand are doing it. I think Warren's quote that Fox News is a "hate-for-profit racket that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiracists" is total cop-out. Not that there isn't truth to that statement, but even if you believe that, take them on. 

I think someone should go on possibly during the general. I'm saying I don't think it makes much sense during primary season. how many fox viewers will vote in the dem primaries? My guess is not many. 

But having that on Fox News is far more preferable than literally anything else on Fox News at any given time. It's not like the usual Fox News content isn't harmful. I support any and all non-Fox content on Fox News, for the benefit of all. The more the better. It just might get through to some viewers, and also reduce the amount of absolute right wing garbage/fake news that is airing.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

All aboard the Warren train!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html

I think she makes a lot of sense. I see democrats going on fox as a complete waste of time during primary season. 

I completely disagree. It's an opportunity for candidates to speak to Fox News (the highest rated cable news network) viewers without their words being disseminated through Hannity or whoever. That's actually a great opportunity, if you have the guts to go for it. Sanders and Klobachar did it. Buttigeg and Gillibrand are doing it. I think Warren's quote that Fox News is a "hate-for-profit racket that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiracists" is total cop-out. Not that there isn't truth to that statement, but even if you believe that, take them on. 

I think someone should go on possibly during the general. I'm saying I don't think it makes much sense during primary season. how many fox viewers will vote in the dem primaries? My guess is not many. 

But having that on Fox News is far more preferable than literally anything else on Fox News at any given time. It's not like the usual Fox News content isn't harmful. I support any and all non-Fox content on Fox News, for the benefit of all. The more the better. It just might get through to some viewers, and also reduce the amount of absolute right wing garbage/fake news that is airing.

good point, but they can also use it as quotes taken out of context on their other shows as right wing spin. and it would be that much more effective when it's footage from their own studio and hosts. 

Ledbetterman10

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

All aboard the Warren train!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html

I think she makes a lot of sense. I see democrats going on fox as a complete waste of time during primary season. 

I completely disagree. It's an opportunity for candidates to speak to Fox News (the highest rated cable news network) viewers without their words being disseminated through Hannity or whoever. That's actually a great opportunity, if you have the guts to go for it. Sanders and Klobachar did it. Buttigeg and Gillibrand are doing it. I think Warren's quote that Fox News is a "hate-for-profit racket that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiracists" is total cop-out. Not that there isn't truth to that statement, but even if you believe that, take them on. 

I think someone should go on possibly during the general. I'm saying I don't think it makes much sense during primary season. how many fox viewers will vote in the dem primaries? My guess is not many. 

I don't think that's a good way of looking at it; that Fox viewers aren't voting in dem primaries. First off, as the Sanders town hall showed, many non-typical Fox viewers may tune in. Secondly, since most of these dems (especially Warren) don't have a chance of getting the nomination, they should look at a Fox town hall not just as a way of getting votes, but getting your entire platform out there. What's the typical Fox News viewer know about Warren? They know she said she's native American when she's not. That's all. She's been in Washington since 2008. She should want to let people know what she's done. But...if she'd rather dismiss all those viewers as racists that watch a racist television channel, she can have at it. 

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

All aboard the Warren train!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html

I think she makes a lot of sense. I see democrats going on fox as a complete waste of time during primary season. 

I completely disagree. It's an opportunity for candidates to speak to Fox News (the highest rated cable news network) viewers without their words being disseminated through Hannity or whoever. That's actually a great opportunity, if you have the guts to go for it. Sanders and Klobachar did it. Buttigeg and Gillibrand are doing it. I think Warren's quote that Fox News is a "hate-for-profit racket that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiracists" is total cop-out. Not that there isn't truth to that statement, but even if you believe that, take them on. 

I think someone should go on possibly during the general. I'm saying I don't think it makes much sense during primary season. how many fox viewers will vote in the dem primaries? My guess is not many. 

But having that on Fox News is far more preferable than literally anything else on Fox News at any given time. It's not like the usual Fox News content isn't harmful. I support any and all non-Fox content on Fox News, for the benefit of all. The more the better. It just might get through to some viewers, and also reduce the amount of absolute right wing garbage/fake news that is airing.

good point, but they can also use it as quotes taken out of context on their other shows as right wing spin. and it would be that much more effective when it's footage from their own studio and hosts. 

Well, that's true, they would take some things out of context for those never ending banners they have displayed with out-of-context headlines.... Thought they do that either way, so at least those watching the live airing of the content would get the truth.

HughFreakingDillon

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

All aboard the Warren train!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html

I think she makes a lot of sense. I see democrats going on fox as a complete waste of time during primary season. 

I completely disagree. It's an opportunity for candidates to speak to Fox News (the highest rated cable news network) viewers without their words being disseminated through Hannity or whoever. That's actually a great opportunity, if you have the guts to go for it. Sanders and Klobachar did it. Buttigeg and Gillibrand are doing it. I think Warren's quote that Fox News is a "hate-for-profit racket that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiracists" is total cop-out. Not that there isn't truth to that statement, but even if you believe that, take them on. 

I think someone should go on possibly during the general. I'm saying I don't think it makes much sense during primary season. how many fox viewers will vote in the dem primaries? My guess is not many. 

I don't think that's a good way of looking at it; that Fox viewers aren't voting in dem primaries. First off, as the Sanders town hall showed, many non-typical Fox viewers may tune in. Secondly, since most of these dems (especially Warren) don't have a chance of getting the nomination, they should look at a Fox town hall not just as a way of getting votes, but getting your entire platform out there. What's the typical Fox News viewer know about Warren? They know she said she's native American when she's not. That's all. She's been in Washington since 2008. She should want to let people know what she's done. But...if she'd rather dismiss all those viewers as racists that watch a racist television channel, she can have at it. 

yes, you're right actually. she's basically doing her version of "basket of deplorables". 

Spiritual_Chaos

It sounds like you haven't completely read what Warren wrote, with the criticism you are giving.

PJ_Soul

I personally see both sides of the argument and agree with both. I don't like that Fox News exists at all, and I would like for everyone to boycott it, and also see how those who don't boycott it kind of help it succeed even more and help to validate it as a legit news source, which really really really sucks. I also think what I already said about the benefits of those who would like to boycott it to appear on it and have their say instead. Both choices are basically bad, because Fox News is bad. Rock and a hard place.

Ledbetterman10

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

All aboard the Warren train!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html

I think she makes a lot of sense. I see democrats going on fox as a complete waste of time during primary season. 

I completely disagree. It's an opportunity for candidates to speak to Fox News (the highest rated cable news network) viewers without their words being disseminated through Hannity or whoever. That's actually a great opportunity, if you have the guts to go for it. Sanders and Klobachar did it. Buttigeg and Gillibrand are doing it. I think Warren's quote that Fox News is a "hate-for-profit racket that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiracists" is total cop-out. Not that there isn't truth to that statement, but even if you believe that, take them on. 

I think someone should go on possibly during the general. I'm saying I don't think it makes much sense during primary season. how many fox viewers will vote in the dem primaries? My guess is not many. 

I don't think that's a good way of looking at it; that Fox viewers aren't voting in dem primaries. First off, as the Sanders town hall showed, many non-typical Fox viewers may tune in. Secondly, since most of these dems (especially Warren) don't have a chance of getting the nomination, they should look at a Fox town hall not just as a way of getting votes, but getting your entire platform out there. What's the typical Fox News viewer know about Warren? They know she said she's native American when she's not. That's all. She's been in Washington since 2008. She should want to let people know what she's done. But...if she'd rather dismiss all those viewers as racists that watch a racist television channel, she can have at it. 

yes, you're right actually. she's basically doing her version of "basket of deplorables". 

I actually thought the same thing. Even almost used "deplorable" in my post.

Another thing worth noting is there's been some cries of unbalanced coverage of the male and female candidates, with Bernie, Biden, and even Pete getting way more attention than Harris, Warren, etc. So to be offered this town hall should be looked at as a great opportunity. 

jeffbr

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

All aboard the Warren train!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html

I think she makes a lot of sense. I see democrats going on fox as a complete waste of time during primary season. 

I completely disagree. It's an opportunity for candidates to speak to Fox News (the highest rated cable news network) viewers without their words being disseminated through Hannity or whoever. That's actually a great opportunity, if you have the guts to go for it. Sanders and Klobachar did it. Buttigeg and Gillibrand are doing it. I think Warren's quote that Fox News is a "hate-for-profit racket that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiracists" is total cop-out. Not that there isn't truth to that statement, but even if you believe that, take them on. 

I think someone should go on possibly during the general. I'm saying I don't think it makes much sense during primary season. how many fox viewers will vote in the dem primaries? My guess is not many. 

I don't think that's a good way of looking at it; that Fox viewers aren't voting in dem primaries. First off, as the Sanders town hall showed, many non-typical Fox viewers may tune in. Secondly, since most of these dems (especially Warren) don't have a chance of getting the nomination, they should look at a Fox town hall not just as a way of getting votes, but getting your entire platform out there. What's the typical Fox News viewer know about Warren? They know she said she's native American when she's not. That's all. She's been in Washington since 2008. She should want to let people know what she's done. But...if she'd rather dismiss all those viewers as racists that watch a racist television channel, she can have at it. 

yes, you're right actually. she's basically doing her version of "basket of deplorables". 

I actually thought the same thing. Even almost used "deplorable" in my post.

Another thing worth noting is there's been some cries of unbalanced coverage of the male and female candidates, with Bernie, Biden, and even Pete getting way more attention than Harris, Warren, etc. So to be offered this town hall should be looked at as a great opportunity. 

I agree with this. Also, keep in mind that there are Fox viewers who are Republican but are part of the #nevertrump camp. My dad is one of those. A Fox News watcher for some reason, but also a Trump hater, who has written his congressman on numerous occasions demanding he start the impeachment process. Those viewers may find a good alternative to voting Trump if a message is heard that resonates. So while Warren likely won't pick up a lot of support from an appearance like this, she just may strike a chord with some of the viewers who may see her in a different light. Who knows? Anyway, the opportunity to speak to the "opposition" to make your case should never be dismissed out of hand.

The Juggler

jeffbr said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Warren blasts FOX on twitter like a champ. 

All aboard the Warren train!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/elizabeth-warren-fox-news-town-hall/index.html

I think she makes a lot of sense. I see democrats going on fox as a complete waste of time during primary season. 

I completely disagree. It's an opportunity for candidates to speak to Fox News (the highest rated cable news network) viewers without their words being disseminated through Hannity or whoever. That's actually a great opportunity, if you have the guts to go for it. Sanders and Klobachar did it. Buttigeg and Gillibrand are doing it. I think Warren's quote that Fox News is a "hate-for-profit racket that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiracists" is total cop-out. Not that there isn't truth to that statement, but even if you believe that, take them on. 

I think someone should go on possibly during the general. I'm saying I don't think it makes much sense during primary season. how many fox viewers will vote in the dem primaries? My guess is not many. 

I don't think that's a good way of looking at it; that Fox viewers aren't voting in dem primaries. First off, as the Sanders town hall showed, many non-typical Fox viewers may tune in. Secondly, since most of these dems (especially Warren) don't have a chance of getting the nomination, they should look at a Fox town hall not just as a way of getting votes, but getting your entire platform out there. What's the typical Fox News viewer know about Warren? They know she said she's native American when she's not. That's all. She's been in Washington since 2008. She should want to let people know what she's done. But...if she'd rather dismiss all those viewers as racists that watch a racist television channel, she can have at it. 

yes, you're right actually. she's basically doing her version of "basket of deplorables". 

I actually thought the same thing. Even almost used "deplorable" in my post.

Another thing worth noting is there's been some cries of unbalanced coverage of the male and female candidates, with Bernie, Biden, and even Pete getting way more attention than Harris, Warren, etc. So to be offered this town hall should be looked at as a great opportunity. 

I agree with this. Also, keep in mind that there are Fox viewers who are Republican but are part of the #nevertrump camp. My dad is one of those. A Fox News watcher for some reason, but also a Trump hater, who has written his congressman on numerous occasions demanding he start the impeachment process. Those viewers may find a good alternative to voting Trump if a message is heard that resonates. So while Warren likely won't pick up a lot of support from an appearance like this, she just may strike a chord with some of the viewers who may see her in a different light. Who knows? Anyway, the opportunity to speak to the "opposition" to make your case should never be dismissed out of hand.

Is your dad wanting to cast his vote for Bill Weld?