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The Media Gaslighting of 2020’s Most Likable Candidate
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I totally get it. Biden opening a huge lead early as an old stodgy white guy must be because of a fix or hedge and for no other possible reason(s). Some people can’t accept that Bernie and his policies are too radical. Has anyone ever asked Bernie how he’d get congress to go along to implement his policies or does that not matter, being pure and all?mrussel1 said:
The fundraising deal was made in 2015, before Bernie was even a Democrat. I never saw how this was some indication of fixing, although I appreciate OnWis's softening of the word. But it's annoying that this talking point persists, while materially untrue.Halifax2TheMax said:
Hedging “bets” is a fact of life and individuals and organizations do it all the time. And party leaders want the “win.”OnWis97 said:
By the strictest of definitions, I suppose "fixed" isn't the word. But the Brazille story points to the party hedging its bets toward Hillary. It's kinda like the NBA. No, they don't script a win for the higher-profile teams and players, but they give them the benefit of the doubt on the calls. The lesser team has to do better than play even with the more important team. Similarly, I don't think you have to be outrageously cynical to think Bernie needed a better-than-50% +1 performance to beat Hillary and that it's because the party was favoring her from day 1.mrussel1 said:
Explain 'fixing' please.OnWis97 said:
Agreed.HughFreakingDillon said:it would be mind numblingly stupid to get the "fix" in for any nominee, unless you want to destroy your own party's chances. you let the people decide so you know who has the best chance of winning.
Doesn't mean they won't do it.
I share some of the criticism that Bernie is only a Democrat when it's convenient. And I understand that the party can run itself how it wants to. But the superdelegates are able water down the vote.
If the party leaders want Biden and the voters come out overwhelmingly for, say, Harris, then Harris will win the nomination. But if it's close, the party leaders should prevail. Fix? No. Hedge? I'd say so.
And this talking point is likely one of the reason so many Sanders voters defected to Trump (enough to tip the three key states), let alone those that stayed home.
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And others forget that 1. The party is minority heavy (not Sanders's demographic), the party is generally older, and the party is generally more moderate. Last, polls are adjusted for expected turnout. Who turns out? Older people, not young people.Halifax2TheMax said:
I totally get it. Biden opening a huge lead early as an old stodgy white guy must be because of a fix or hedge and for no other possible reason(s). Some people can’t accept that Bernie and his policies are too radical. Has anyone ever asked Bernie how he’d get congress to go along to implement his policies or does that not matter, being pure and all?mrussel1 said:
The fundraising deal was made in 2015, before Bernie was even a Democrat. I never saw how this was some indication of fixing, although I appreciate OnWis's softening of the word. But it's annoying that this talking point persists, while materially untrue.Halifax2TheMax said:
Hedging “bets” is a fact of life and individuals and organizations do it all the time. And party leaders want the “win.”OnWis97 said:
By the strictest of definitions, I suppose "fixed" isn't the word. But the Brazille story points to the party hedging its bets toward Hillary. It's kinda like the NBA. No, they don't script a win for the higher-profile teams and players, but they give them the benefit of the doubt on the calls. The lesser team has to do better than play even with the more important team. Similarly, I don't think you have to be outrageously cynical to think Bernie needed a better-than-50% +1 performance to beat Hillary and that it's because the party was favoring her from day 1.mrussel1 said:
Explain 'fixing' please.OnWis97 said:
Agreed.HughFreakingDillon said:it would be mind numblingly stupid to get the "fix" in for any nominee, unless you want to destroy your own party's chances. you let the people decide so you know who has the best chance of winning.
Doesn't mean they won't do it.
I share some of the criticism that Bernie is only a Democrat when it's convenient. And I understand that the party can run itself how it wants to. But the superdelegates are able water down the vote.
If the party leaders want Biden and the voters come out overwhelmingly for, say, Harris, then Harris will win the nomination. But if it's close, the party leaders should prevail. Fix? No. Hedge? I'd say so.
And this talking point is likely one of the reason so many Sanders voters defected to Trump (enough to tip the three key states), let alone those that stayed home.
This talking point is starting again.
Too many people talk about the "energy" of the party, and where that's located. It doesn't matter how many tweets I unload, I only get one vote. The majority of the party, the ones that have been there through it all, are not on twitter. They are at work.0 -
Kat's judgment cometh, and that right soon.0
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Seems like it already came. my2hands is banned. Another conservative voice silenced by left-wing social media police! If message boards count as social media lolmrussel1 said:Kat's judgment cometh, and that right soon.
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He made personal attacks - it had literally NOTHING to do with his politics or anyone else's. Also, my2hands isn't a conservative.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems like it already came. my2hands is banned. Another conservative voice silenced by left-wing social media police! If message boards count as social media lolmrussel1 said:Kat's judgment cometh, and that right soon.
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Let me repost that comment with instructions, as it's sometimes hard for tone to come across in writing.....PJ_Soul said:
He made personal attacks - it had literally NOTHING to do with his politics or anyone else's. Also, my2hands isn't a conservative.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems like it already came. my2hands is banned. Another conservative voice silenced by left-wing social media police! If message boards count as social media lolmrussel1 said:Kat's judgment cometh, and that right soon.
Seems like it already came. my2hands is banned. [BEGIN SARCASM] Another conservative voice silenced by left-wing social media police! [END SARCASM] If message boards count as social media lol
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he was kiddingPJ_Soul said:
He made personal attacks - it had literally NOTHING to do with his politics or anyone else's. Also, my2hands isn't a conservative.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems like it already came. my2hands is banned. Another conservative voice silenced by left-wing social media police! If message boards count as social media lolmrussel1 said:Kat's judgment cometh, and that right soon.
edit: i see he already clarifiedBy The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Ahhh, lol. Don't forget about emojis, they can be so helpful.Ledbetterman10 said:
Let me repost that comment with instructions, as it's sometimes hard for tone to come across in writing.....PJ_Soul said:
He made personal attacks - it had literally NOTHING to do with his politics or anyone else's. Also, my2hands isn't a conservative.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems like it already came. my2hands is banned. Another conservative voice silenced by left-wing social media police! If message boards count as social media lolmrussel1 said:Kat's judgment cometh, and that right soon.
Seems like it already came. my2hands is banned. [BEGIN SARCASM] Another conservative voice silenced by left-wing social media police! [END SARCASM] If message boards count as social media lol
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I figured the exclamation point would suggest I was doing a Hannity-type character.PJ_Soul said:
Ahhh, lol. Don't forget about emojis, they can be so helpful.Ledbetterman10 said:
Let me repost that comment with instructions, as it's sometimes hard for tone to come across in writing.....PJ_Soul said:
He made personal attacks - it had literally NOTHING to do with his politics or anyone else's. Also, my2hands isn't a conservative.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems like it already came. my2hands is banned. Another conservative voice silenced by left-wing social media police! If message boards count as social media lolmrussel1 said:Kat's judgment cometh, and that right soon.
Seems like it already came. my2hands is banned. [BEGIN SARCASM] Another conservative voice silenced by left-wing social media police! [END SARCASM] If message boards count as social media lol
Didn't really see his personal attack other than calling someone an asshole, so I don't really know what the situation was.
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How can you tell?Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems like it already came. my2hands is banned. Another conservative voice silenced by left-wing social media police! If message boards count as social media lolmrussel1 said:Kat's judgment cometh, and that right soon.
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Scroll up to a post of his and click on his username. His forum profile says banned.OnWis97 said:
How can you tell?Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems like it already came. my2hands is banned. Another conservative voice silenced by left-wing social media police! If message boards count as social media lolmrussel1 said:Kat's judgment cometh, and that right soon.2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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Permanently banned or just a time out?Ledbetterman10 said:
Scroll up to a post of his and click on his username. His forum profile says banned.OnWis97 said:
How can you tell?Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems like it already came. my2hands is banned. Another conservative voice silenced by left-wing social media police! If message boards count as social media lolmrussel1 said:Kat's judgment cometh, and that right soon.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
I can tell you that it stung when he typed it. Stung real bad like.Ledbetterman10 said:
I figured the exclamation point would suggest I was doing a Hannity-type character.PJ_Soul said:
Ahhh, lol. Don't forget about emojis, they can be so helpful.Ledbetterman10 said:
Let me repost that comment with instructions, as it's sometimes hard for tone to come across in writing.....PJ_Soul said:
He made personal attacks - it had literally NOTHING to do with his politics or anyone else's. Also, my2hands isn't a conservative.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems like it already came. my2hands is banned. Another conservative voice silenced by left-wing social media police! If message boards count as social media lolmrussel1 said:Kat's judgment cometh, and that right soon.
Seems like it already came. my2hands is banned. [BEGIN SARCASM] Another conservative voice silenced by left-wing social media police! [END SARCASM] If message boards count as social media lol
Didn't really see his personal attack other than calling someone an asshole, so I don't really know what the situation was.0 -
Although I'm well aware that I'm an asshole. And a dick.0
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it was pretty obvious IMHOLedbetterman10 said:
I figured the exclamation point would suggest I was doing a Hannity-type character.PJ_Soul said:
Ahhh, lol. Don't forget about emojis, they can be so helpful.Ledbetterman10 said:
Let me repost that comment with instructions, as it's sometimes hard for tone to come across in writing.....PJ_Soul said:
He made personal attacks - it had literally NOTHING to do with his politics or anyone else's. Also, my2hands isn't a conservative.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems like it already came. my2hands is banned. Another conservative voice silenced by left-wing social media police! If message boards count as social media lolmrussel1 said:Kat's judgment cometh, and that right soon.
Seems like it already came. my2hands is banned. [BEGIN SARCASM] Another conservative voice silenced by left-wing social media police! [END SARCASM] If message boards count as social media lol
Didn't really see his personal attack other than calling someone an asshole, so I don't really know what the situation was.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
When discussing politics things can get out of hand quickly. But then I would assume that goes without saying...Give Peas A Chance…0
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I would surmise that the DNC had 10,000x more involvement in influencing Hillary’s nomination than the Russians did with Trump.Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0
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Did you get a bunch of facebook ads lying about Bernie on your newsfeed? My conservative friends continue to tag me in FB anti-HIllary memes that are completely untrue 98% of the time. You're saying that Hillary and the DNC having a joint fundraising agreement in 2015 affected voting 10,000 to 1, compared to lies on social media. Am I understanding you correctly?Jason P said:I would surmise that the DNC had 10,000x more involvement in influencing Hillary’s nomination than the Russians did with Trump.0
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