2020 (ugghhh) Tour Rumor Thread

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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 1,073
    pjl44 said:
    It is not only the lack of touring or the absence of new music that is maddening, but the unwillingness to communicate anything to us.

    Yes, for those who defend the band at every possible juncture, I understand they do not OWE us that. Except that in my opinion, they kind of do.

    It would simply be a kind gesture to let the diehards know. A simple "taking 6 months, 1 year or 2 year break, see you soon" message would be great. Instead: crickets. Truthfully, at this point it really strikes me as quite rude.
    That would be a big announcement for a band of their caliber and history to make. They may not see the situation that way. The best way to ride out these periods of inactivity as a fan is to diversify your interests. Especially if you're taking the inactivity of a rock band personally. 

    I may be taking  it personally but I'm not sure. My decision is forthcoming. 
  • darwinstheorydarwinstheory LaPorte, INPosts: 2,837
    pjl44 said:
    It is not only the lack of touring or the absence of new music that is maddening, but the unwillingness to communicate anything to us.

    Yes, for those who defend the band at every possible juncture, I understand they do not OWE us that. Except that in my opinion, they kind of do.

    It would simply be a kind gesture to let the diehards know. A simple "taking 6 months, 1 year or 2 year break, see you soon" message would be great. Instead: crickets. Truthfully, at this point it really strikes me as quite rude.
    That would be a big announcement for a band of their caliber and history to make. They may not see the situation that way. The best way to ride out these periods of inactivity as a fan is to diversify your interests. Especially if you're taking the inactivity of a rock band personally. 
    Yeah, I already kind of addressed your cynicism in my prior post. We can however, agree to disagree on our opinions.
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  • CantKeepmedownCantKeepmedown Portland, MainePosts: 2,175
    I think the majority of us here would prefer arena shows over ballparks for the reasons stated (better sound, sight, no threat of weather, ect).  But the band would probably rather do ballparks for reasons stated (more $$, less shows).  I sort of agree that the "special-ness) is wearing off a bit.  But if that's the only show in my area, then you can bet I'm going.

    I think trying to charge $200 for arena shows is a bad idea.  I'm not sure they are selling out arenas at those prices.  I may be wrong.  But if they, as someone suggested, play multiple nights and charge $200/ticket, you're looking at $800 in tickets for a 2 night stand. That's pretty rich.

    We're in the minority.  They are going to sell out ball park shows because it's an "event".  Arena shows are just concerts.  Best hope is that they do a PJ tour (4-5 weeks, 20 or so shows).  Play 2-3 ball parks and mix in arenas in between.  If I had a choice between Fenway or the XL Center in Hartford, you can damn well bet I'm going to Hartford (who am I kidding, I'd go to both) But at least it gives everybody a choice.  

  • rummyrummy Ontario, CanadaPosts: 2,828
    edited May 6
    I think the majority of us here would prefer arena shows over ballparks for the reasons stated (better sound, sight, no threat of weather, ect).  But the band would probably rather do ballparks for reasons stated (more $$, less shows).  I sort of agree that the "special-ness) is wearing off a bit.  But if that's the only show in my area, then you can bet I'm going.

    I think trying to charge $200 for arena shows is a bad idea.  I'm not sure they are selling out arenas at those prices.  I may be wrong.  But if they, as someone suggested, play multiple nights and charge $200/ticket, you're looking at $800 in tickets for a 2 night stand. That's pretty rich.

    We're in the minority.  They are going to sell out ball park shows because it's an "event".  Arena shows are just concerts.  Best hope is that they do a PJ tour (4-5 weeks, 20 or so shows).  Play 2-3 ball parks and mix in arenas in between.  If I had a choice between Fenway or the XL Center in Hartford, you can damn well bet I'm going to Hartford (who am I kidding, I'd go to both) But at least it gives everybody a choice.  

    If they are going to make it $200/ticket, it'd be nice if single (10c) tickets were an option. I can sometimes find someone to go to these shows but not always. At $200/ticket, it's a tougher sell for me to convince a friend who is a casual fan of the band.
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 11,550
    I don’t follow enough other bands to know if they announce that they are not touring.  PJ is a band that does what it wants when it wants with maximum flexibility to cancel or change things at the last minute.  Making any sort of announcement boxes them in and they clearly do not like that.  
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer MarylandPosts: 14,339
    $200 a ticket and you can count on my ass not being there.  Fuck that!  Entertainment should not limited to the rich.  Whoever even made that suggestion can kindly fuck right off!
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 3,479
    I don’t follow enough other bands to know if they announce that they are not touring.  PJ is a band that does what it wants when it wants with maximum flexibility to cancel or change things at the last minute.  Making any sort of announcement boxes them in and they clearly do not like that.  
    They don't and pretty much for the same reason. They're artists and creativity doesn't always flow in a linear album/tour cycle way. If a band announces a hiatus it always seems heavy.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 3,479
    pjl44 said:
    It is not only the lack of touring or the absence of new music that is maddening, but the unwillingness to communicate anything to us.

    Yes, for those who defend the band at every possible juncture, I understand they do not OWE us that. Except that in my opinion, they kind of do.

    It would simply be a kind gesture to let the diehards know. A simple "taking 6 months, 1 year or 2 year break, see you soon" message would be great. Instead: crickets. Truthfully, at this point it really strikes me as quite rude.
    That would be a big announcement for a band of their caliber and history to make. They may not see the situation that way. The best way to ride out these periods of inactivity as a fan is to diversify your interests. Especially if you're taking the inactivity of a rock band personally. 
    Yeah, I already kind of addressed your cynicism in my prior post. We can however, agree to disagree on our opinions.
    Cynicism is thinking an artist exists to serve your need as a fan
  • Vedd HeddVedd Hedd Posts: 3,025
    Start playing football stadiums. Then start playing racetracks and airport runways.
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  • my_wavemy_wave clearwater, FLPosts: 211
    $200 a ticket and you can count on my ass not being there.  Fuck that!  Entertainment should not limited to the rich.  Whoever even made that suggestion can kindly fuck right off!
    It's already limited to the rich with the ballpark shows, unless you're lucky enough to live in one of those cities, you're paying for tickets, travel, hotel, etc... 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 18,965
    $200 a ticket and you can count on my ass not being there.  Fuck that!  Entertainment should not limited to the rich.  Whoever even made that suggestion can kindly fuck right off!
    Agreed.  There is zero chance I pay that much for a ticket.
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  • JojoRiceJojoRice Kennesaw, GAPosts: 1,400
    I'll take anything at this point!
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  • bbiggsbbiggs Posts: 3,311
    JojoRice said:
    I'll take anything at this point!

  • JojoRiceJojoRice Kennesaw, GAPosts: 1,400
    bbiggs said:
    JojoRice said:
    I'll take anything at this point!

    Love that movie!!!  I quote it daily. 
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  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 3,549

    Yes, for those who defend the band at every possible juncture, I understand they do not OWE us that. Except that in my opinion, they kind of do.

    Well, everyone knows Custer died at Little Bighorn. What this book presupposes is... maybe he didn't?
  • kstkst Posts: 187
    Festival, arena, stadium, whatever, just announce something already!
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 1,073
    mcgruff10 said:
    $200 a ticket and you can count on my ass not being there.  Fuck that!  Entertainment should not limited to the rich.  Whoever even made that suggestion can kindly fuck right off!
    Agreed.  There is zero chance I pay that much for a ticket.

    Jeez dont they deserve something comparable to the hotels, airfare and

     Guaranteed decent seats for a caste system at a fraction of fair value has shielded fans from....? Dont wanna call it socialism but not sure what to say about $200 being too much for a premium event like PJ.
  • rummyrummy Ontario, CanadaPosts: 2,828
    edited May 6
    my_wave said:
    $200 a ticket and you can count on my ass not being there.  Fuck that!  Entertainment should not limited to the rich.  Whoever even made that suggestion can kindly fuck right off!
    It's already limited to the rich with the ballpark shows, unless you're lucky enough to live in one of those cities, you're paying for tickets, travel, hotel, etc... 
    Yes. Sadly those ballpark shows (Seattle for me, specifically) was a once in a lifetime for me - and I could drive there!. I'm sure I could scrape together the funds to do it again but it really doesn't seem like a good idea when you have a badass mortgage, kids, etc. Gotta admit that the night off for the band was probably great for the band but killer for me. Downtown Seattle is not cheap at all!
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  • CO278952CO278952 Posts: 344
    Vedd Hedd said:
    Start playing football stadiums. Then start playing racetracks and airport runways.
    😂 
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  • Lost In OhioLost In Ohio Posts: 4,893
    on2legs said:
    It is not only the lack of touring or the absence of new music that is maddening, but the unwillingness to communicate anything to us.

    Yes, for those who defend the band at every possible juncture, I understand they do not OWE us that. Except that in my opinion, they kind of do.

    It would simply be a kind gesture to let the diehards know. A simple "taking 6 months, 1 year or 2 year break, see you soon" message would be great. Instead: crickets. Truthfully, at this point it really strikes me as quite rude.
    But they’ve never communicated well.  They only release info when they have something to report.  It would be nice if they gave us some hints or an idea of when we could expect a new album.  It’s frustrating but that’s how it’s always been since the rumor pit went away. 

    Yet, when they say "upcoming release" people get all hyped up and it doesn't happen.

    Sometimes it's better for Eddie to say what he said at Fenway than it is for the 10C newsletter to tease an upcoming release that is still yet to happen.
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  • Lost In OhioLost In Ohio Posts: 4,893
    Regarding ticket prices, Pearl Jam could easily do the whole "VIP packages" with multiple levels of those and have tickets with the dynamic pricing...but they still want to keep tickets low. Only recently did tickets break the $100 value.

    They toured USA in 2014, 2016 and 2018. My ticket for 2014 was below $100. It could have easily been over $100, especially with an over-inflated package.

    But if they did, it would go against their "low prices for the fans" mindset and people would complain.
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  • ZodZod Posts: 6,098
    $200 a ticket and you can count on my ass not being there.  Fuck that!  Entertainment should not limited to the rich.  Whoever even made that suggestion can kindly fuck right off!
    I'm torn on this.  Sometimes it occurs to me that $30 in my late teen's was actually harder for me to spend than $200 as an adult.   When you combine inflation and my rate of pay....   I'm not sure it's that different.

    That being said.  I've still noticed a trend with the new trend of mega expensive concert tickets.  I've slowed down.   I might pay over $200 to knock one off my bucket lists (the stones), but I'm less likely to plunk down that kind of money for a repeat.   I remember the summer before last I skipped out on Metallica, U2, Tom Petty (its ok I'd seen him a few times already), GNR, because I'd seen them all already.  Most of them multiple times.  It's cutting down my repeat business.

    I noticed The Who concert in Vancouver is selling very poorly.  I guess maybe we're seeing signs that not everyone can charge these prices.

    Still... It's Pearl Jam.   The band I've repeated most on the entire planet.   Would I really not go? I dunno.. I think I'd still go.  Few things I enjoy as much as a PJ show :)
  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 10,448
    This is not for you.  Just chill.  There will be music to be heard when they are ready. You may or may not like the setting in which they choose to present it. You can go or not. It really is that simple.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 1,073
    Zod said:
    $200 a ticket and you can count on my ass not being there.  Fuck that!  Entertainment should not limited to the rich.  Whoever even made that suggestion can kindly fuck right off!
    I'm torn on this.  Sometimes it occurs to me that $30 in my late teen's was actually harder for me to spend than $200 as an adult.   When you combine inflation and my rate of pay....   I'm not sure it's that different.

    That being said.  I've still noticed a trend with the new trend of mega expensive concert tickets.  I've slowed down.   I might pay over $200 to knock one off my bucket lists (the stones), but I'm less likely to plunk down that kind of money for a repeat.   I remember the summer before last I skipped out on Metallica, U2, Tom Petty (its ok I'd seen him a few times already), GNR, because I'd seen them all already.  Most of them multiple times.  It's cutting down my repeat business.

    I noticed The Who concert in Vancouver is selling very poorly.  I guess maybe we're seeing signs that not everyone can charge these prices.

    Still... It's Pearl Jam.   The band I've repeated most on the entire planet.   Would I really not go? I dunno.. I think I'd still go.  Few things I enjoy as much as a PJ show :)


    The Who are selling poorly in NY also. Very expensive ticket. But they are not in their prime.  PJ is holding onto the outer reaches of their prime  (non geezer) years which makes their light schedule and false new album press releases even more frustrating. 

    PJ is worth the premium prices. I never had as difficult a time getting Who tickets as getting PJ tickets.

    PJ intensified loyalty from their fans by fighting for reasonable ticket prices at the beginning.  Although I'd pay alot to see them, I get why they are careful when it comes to pricing
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 10,930
    I'll be in the minority on this but I don't mind 2019 being a Pearl Jam-less year. I didn't mind 2017 being one either. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, as the saying goes. There was a span from 2003-2016 where I saw PJ at least once every year, and multiple times in most of those years. Not saying it was too much or anything. It was great at the time. But now, a show every two years is okay with me if they're not going to put out an album. If they put something out, then tour the hell out of it. If not, I'll happily check out the next baseball stadium show. 
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  • JojoRiceJojoRice Kennesaw, GAPosts: 1,400
    The Who tickets are not selling well here in Atlanta either.  It seems to be a tour wide thing with the prices they are charging.  Ya, we've definitely been spoiled with PJ and their prices compared to what other bands/performers are now charging.  
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  • Mikemzl91Mikemzl91 Posts: 256
    I got a Tame Impala GA at MSG for under $100.
    The Who is charging $311 for lower bowl at MSG.

  • DeadmanDeadman Posts: 663
    I'll be in the minority on this but I don't mind 2019 being a Pearl Jam-less year. I didn't mind 2017 being one either. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, as the saying goes. There was a span from 2003-2016 where I saw PJ at least once every year, and multiple times in most of those years. Not saying it was too much or anything. It was great at the time. But now, a show every two years is okay with me if they're not going to put out an album. If they put something out, then tour the hell out of it. If not, I'll happily check out the next baseball stadium show. 

    Exactly same here.
  • hihobibohihobibo Tampa, FLPosts: 328
    I'll be in the minority on this but I don't mind 2019 being a Pearl Jam-less year. I didn't mind 2017 being one either. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, as the saying goes. There was a span from 2003-2016 where I saw PJ at least once every year, and multiple times in most of those years. Not saying it was too much or anything. It was great at the time. But now, a show every two years is okay with me if they're not going to put out an album. If they put something out, then tour the hell out of it. If not, I'll happily check out the next baseball stadium show. 
    Opposite of me. I took a good decade long break from seeing them (and other favorites) due to many factors (moving, work, getting married, having kids, etc) and now I want to make up for lost time! Plus, now my kids are old enough that I can take a short trip to see a band out of town, whereas I wouldn't even consider it prior to last year.
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