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  • Posts: 12,971
    F Me In The Brain said:
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    Hopefully more people find themselves in the NotTrump camp who did not vote last time...and everyone choosing NotTrump realizes that our system is fucked in the bung and that the only way that NotTrump works is to vote for Geriatric Joe or whomever gets the nod from the Dems.  I was fooled once, voting 3rd party in protest, but not again.
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    it's hard to see how he will GAIN votes from last time. I mean who watching this the past 2 years is going to move from independent or Hillary to team Trump? i just can't see how he gains votes.  Although that mostly matters in a few states.
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    pjhawks said:
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    it's hard to see how he will GAIN votes from last time. I mean who watching this the past 2 years is going to move from independent or Hillary to team Trump? i just can't see how he gains votes.  Although that mostly matters in a few states.
    The basic economic numbers are good.  If that holds, he could win a majority of votes.
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    OnWis97 said:
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    The basic economic numbers are good.  If that holds, he could win a majority of votes.
    Not a chance in the world he wins a majority.  It's hard enough for a popular person to do that.  

    Biden surging..

    https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/442310-joe-biden
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    Although because Sanders is tanking,  I imagine much of the surge is based on recognition at this point. 
  • Posts: 19,334
    I think the fix is in for Biden for the democratic nomination. Must have got the green light promise from the party if he entered the race. He isn’t even worried about going after his immediate opponents. 
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    Jason P said:
    I think the fix is in for Biden for the democratic nomination. Must have got the green light promise from the party if he entered the race. He isn’t even worried about going after his immediate opponents. 
    “The fix?” Because he’s leading in the polls, was VP for 8 years, had a distinguished career as a senator and doesn’t believe everything should be “free?” That fix?
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    Listen folks, these folks are good folks
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    Jason P said:
    I think the fix is in for Biden for the democratic nomination. Must have got the green light promise from the party if he entered the race. He isn’t even worried about going after his immediate opponents. 
    The democrats would never do that, would they...
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    Meltdown99 said:
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    The democrats would never do that, would they...


    Maybe Donna what's her name, who did it, wrote a book , made millions
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    Meltdown99 said:
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    The democrats would never do that, would they...
    Except it doesn't make a bit of logical sense.  Are the DNC mind controlling people who answer phones for polls?  That's some excellent technology.  Or maybe the DNC has secretly purchased all the polling companies for the express purpose of releasing false polls.  That way the sheeple will want to vote for the winners and will go with Joe, even though they really want Yang.  It's so diabolical in its brilliance.  
  • Winnipeg Posts: 39,885
    it would be mind numblingly stupid to get the "fix" in for any nominee, unless you want to destroy your own party's chances. you let the people decide so you know who has the best chance of winning. 
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    it would be mind numblingly stupid to get the "fix" in for any nominee, unless you want to destroy your own party's chances. you let the people decide so you know who has the best chance of winning. 
    Some people simply can't accept the fact that maybe, somewhere there are people who like someone different than you.  Perish the thought.  
  • St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,643
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    it would be mind numblingly stupid to get the "fix" in for any nominee, unless you want to destroy your own party's chances. you let the people decide so you know who has the best chance of winning. 
    Agreed.

    Doesn't mean they won't do it.
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    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/2/16599036/donna-brazile-hillary-clinton-sanders

    *ahem*
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    OnWis97 said:
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    Agreed.

    Doesn't mean they won't do it.
    Explain 'fixing' please. 
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    OnWis97 said:
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    Agreed.

    Doesn't mean they won't do it.
    Um, they did it.

    Doesn't mean Bernie would have won, i believe HRC would have likely won no matter what as the more moderate candidate... doesn't mean they didn't tip the scales though
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    my2hands said:
    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/2/16599036/donna-brazile-hillary-clinton-sanders

    *ahem*
    So this is why 55% voted for HRC vs. Bernie?  Is that the argument?  Because they had fundraising agreements rather than Bernie who refused to not only join the party, but refused to broadly support down ballot candidates. 

    *ahem* = lack of critical thinking.  
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    mrussel1 said:
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    Explain 'fixing' please. 
    By the strictest of definitions, I suppose "fixed" isn't the word.  But the Brazille story points to the party hedging its bets toward Hillary.  It's kinda like the NBA.  No, they don't script a win for the higher-profile teams and players, but they give them the benefit of the doubt on the calls.  The lesser team has to do better than play even with the more important team. Similarly, I don't think you have to be outrageously cynical to think Bernie needed a better-than-50% +1 performance to beat Hillary and that it's because the party was favoring her from day 1.

    I share some of the criticism that Bernie is only a Democrat when it's convenient.  And I understand that the party can run itself how it wants to. But the superdelegates are able water down the vote.

    If the party leaders want Biden and the voters come out overwhelmingly for, say, Harris, then Harris will win the nomination.  But if it's close, the party leaders should prevail. Fix?  No. Hedge?  I'd say so.
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    OnWis97 said:
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    By the strictest of definitions, I suppose "fixed" isn't the word.  But the Brazille story points to the party hedging its bets toward Hillary.  It's kinda like the NBA.  No, they don't script a win for the higher-profile teams and players, but they give them the benefit of the doubt on the calls.  The lesser team has to do better than play even with the more important team. Similarly, I don't think you have to be outrageously cynical to think Bernie needed a better-than-50% +1 performance to beat Hillary and that it's because the party was favoring her from day 1.

    I share some of the criticism that Bernie is only a Democrat when it's convenient.  And I understand that the party can run itself how it wants to. But the superdelegates are able water down the vote.

    If the party leaders want Biden and the voters come out overwhelmingly for, say, Harris, then Harris will win the nomination.  But if it's close, the party leaders should prevail. Fix?  No. Hedge?  I'd say so.
    Hedging “bets” is a fact of life and individuals and organizations do it all the time. And party leaders want the “win.”
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
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    Hedging “bets” is a fact of life and individuals and organizations do it all the time. And party leaders want the “win.”
    The fundraising deal was made in 2015, before Bernie was even a Democrat.  I never saw how this was some indication of fixing, although I appreciate OnWis's softening of the word.  But it's annoying that this talking point persists, while materially untrue.  
    And this talking point is likely one of the reason so many Sanders voters defected to Trump (enough to tip the three key states), let alone those that stayed home.  
    This talking point is starting again.  
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