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  • njnancy
    njnancy Posts: 5,096
    2019
    my2hands said:
    njnancy said:
    josevolution said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
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    Hillary Clinton on Rachel Maddow:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUeu72fWuYk
    Say what you will about Hillary, at least she can speak in complete sentences, has a firm grasp of law and policy and can speak of and to it intelligently and possesses intellectual curiosity as well as a sense of humor.
    Yes she does , “China if your watching please release Donald Trumps taxes “ that’s the only time I’ll address him by his name to me he will always be an Orange Baffoon! 
    I have always felt that, if she were a man and possessed the same qualities, she would have won in 2016 hands down. 

    Ask someone why they don't like her and there is never a real answer like she supported caging children at the border or she was cheating on her husband flagrantly. It's always an answer like she's so corrupt, she's in wall street's pocket, she's such a bitch, she has no personality, she's shrill. I think that says a lot about how we view males and females in possessions of power. 
    She won the popular vote by 3 million after crushing a male opponent in the primary... 

    Stop with the victim nonsense

    Where did I mention the word victim? That is a complete mischaracterization of what I wrote. 

    And there was an article written just this week that addressed the bias that women have stated about having a woman as a President. 

    You think there was no difference in how they were assessed? Trump said that he is able to grab pussies cause he's famous. That fizzled out . Hillary made a joke about baskets of deplorables at a dinner and was skewered for it. Trump fought with a gold star family and said that McCain was not hero, he liked people who didn't get captured. Hillary did not show a sense of humor in public and seemed robotic and that was disqualifying. 

    She is no victim, she is a strong woman. Much stronger, smarter and competent than Trump could ever hope to be. 

    That is my opinion, which I am allowed to have in equal measure to everyone on the AMT. 

    Do not try to dismiss it or add words that I did not use. People can disagree without being disagreeable. Try it. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    David Rivkin* on Erin Burnett on CNN and PBS News Hour tonight was really going to bat heavy and hard for CYA Barr. What are they hiding? David Priess was going to bat heavy and hard for the Constitution and Team Mueller. If you can catch it tomorrow, as it seems they post the broadcasts the following day, otherwise I would have linked, I recommend that you do. Bigger than Watergate, much bigger. Which side will you be on?

    *Full disclosure: Rivkin was born in the USSR and may be feeling some latent loyalty to the Motherland.

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    And let’s not forget about the NRA being subpoenaed and sent letters to preserve all documents and that they spent $30MM on Team Trump Treason’s campaign. Meanwhile, house oversight committee hires a preeminent financial crimes investigator.

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  • Ledbetterman10
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    njnancy said:
    josevolution said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Hillary Clinton on Rachel Maddow:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUeu72fWuYk
    Say what you will about Hillary, at least she can speak in complete sentences, has a firm grasp of law and policy and can speak of and to it intelligently and possesses intellectual curiosity as well as a sense of humor.
    Yes she does , “China if your watching please release Donald Trumps taxes “ that’s the only time I’ll address him by his name to me he will always be an Orange Baffoon! 
    I have always felt that, if she were a man and possessed the same qualities, she would have won in 2016 hands down. 
    I vehemently disagree with this. I think her being a woman was one of the best things she had going for her. Made her different and unique to a degree. If you take away that, then she's just another Mitt Romney; someone with experience and a good resume...who is boring, robotic, and unlikeable. 

    In my time of following Presidential elections, the "cooler" person has won every single time, experience and policy be damned:

    1992: Clinton cooler than Bush Sr.
    1996: Clinton cooler than Dole.
    2000: Bush Jr. cooler than Gore
    2004: Bush Jr. cooler than Kerry
    2008: Obama cooler than McCain
    2012: Obama cooler than Romney
    2016: Trump cooler than Clinton

    Right? McCain was a war hero and decades-long senator. That used to be what it took to be the president. But Obama was cooler. He plays basketball and hangs with Jay Z. Who cares if he was a one-term senator? Same with Trump. No experience, totally evil. But to some, his antics were entertaining enough to like him. And for some reason, people are passionate about voting for Trump. Concerning Hillary, I think a lot of her voters held the same view I did: "Well I guess I have to vote for her." Hardly someone many people were passionate about. 

    In the end, Hillary, unlike her husband, just isn't a good politician. And remember there's a difference between "politician" and "civil servant." To politic is simply to persuade people, and in an election, it's to persuade people to like you. That's not in her wheelhouse. As a civil servant, she was fine as a senator and secretary of state. But a lot of times that doesn't win elections. That's why Trump, despite everything that's wrong with him, was successful. He's been selling himself for decades. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    njnancy said:
    josevolution said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Hillary Clinton on Rachel Maddow:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUeu72fWuYk
    Say what you will about Hillary, at least she can speak in complete sentences, has a firm grasp of law and policy and can speak of and to it intelligently and possesses intellectual curiosity as well as a sense of humor.
    Yes she does , “China if your watching please release Donald Trumps taxes “ that’s the only time I’ll address him by his name to me he will always be an Orange Baffoon! 
    I have always felt that, if she were a man and possessed the same qualities, she would have won in 2016 hands down. 
    I vehemently disagree with this. I think her being a woman was one of the best things she had going for her. Made her different and unique to a degree. If you take away that, then she's just another Mitt Romney; someone with experience and a good resume...who is boring, robotic, and unlikeable. 

    In my time of following Presidential elections, the "cooler" person has won every single time, experience and policy be damned:

    1992: Clinton cooler than Bush Sr.
    1996: Clinton cooler than Dole.
    2000: Bush Jr. cooler than Gore
    2004: Bush Jr. cooler than Kerry
    2008: Obama cooler than McCain
    2012: Obama cooler than Romney
    2016: Trump cooler than Clinton

    Right? McCain was a war hero and decades-long senator. That used to be what it took to be the president. But Obama was cooler. He plays basketball and hangs with Jay Z. Who cares if he was a one-term senator? Same with Trump. No experience, totally evil. But to some, his antics were entertaining enough to like him. And for some reason, people are passionate about voting for Trump. Concerning Hillary, I think a lot of her voters held the same view I did: "Well I guess I have to vote for her." Hardly someone many people were passionate about. 

    In the end, Hillary, unlike her husband, just isn't a good politician. And remember there's a difference between "politician" and "civil servant." To politic is simply to persuade people, and in an election, it's to persuade people to like you. That's not in her wheelhouse. As a civil servant, she was fine as a senator and secretary of state. But a lot of times that doesn't win elections. That's why Trump, despite everything that's wrong with him, was successful. He's been selling himself for decades. 
    excellent point. so sloppy joe doesn't stand a chance then. 
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  • my2hands
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    2017
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    njnancy said:
    josevolution said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Hillary Clinton on Rachel Maddow:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUeu72fWuYk
    Say what you will about Hillary, at least she can speak in complete sentences, has a firm grasp of law and policy and can speak of and to it intelligently and possesses intellectual curiosity as well as a sense of humor.
    Yes she does , “China if your watching please release Donald Trumps taxes “ that’s the only time I’ll address him by his name to me he will always be an Orange Baffoon! 
    I have always felt that, if she were a man and possessed the same qualities, she would have won in 2016 hands down. 
    I vehemently disagree with this. I think her being a woman was one of the best things she had going for her. Made her different and unique to a degree. If you take away that, then she's just another Mitt Romney; someone with experience and a good resume...who is boring, robotic, and unlikeable. 

    In my time of following Presidential elections, the "cooler" person has won every single time, experience and policy be damned:

    1992: Clinton cooler than Bush Sr.
    1996: Clinton cooler than Dole.
    2000: Bush Jr. cooler than Gore
    2004: Bush Jr. cooler than Kerry
    2008: Obama cooler than McCain
    2012: Obama cooler than Romney
    2016: Trump cooler than Clinton

    Right? McCain was a war hero and decades-long senator. That used to be what it took to be the president. But Obama was cooler. He plays basketball and hangs with Jay Z. Who cares if he was a one-term senator? Same with Trump. No experience, totally evil. But to some, his antics were entertaining enough to like him. And for some reason, people are passionate about voting for Trump. Concerning Hillary, I think a lot of her voters held the same view I did: "Well I guess I have to vote for her." Hardly someone many people were passionate about. 

    In the end, Hillary, unlike her husband, just isn't a good politician. And remember there's a difference between "politician" and "civil servant." To politic is simply to persuade people, and in an election, it's to persuade people to like you. That's not in her wheelhouse. As a civil servant, she was fine as a senator and secretary of state. But a lot of times that doesn't win elections. That's why Trump, despite everything that's wrong with him, was successful. He's been selling himself for decades. 
    100%
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    edited May 2019
    "THE FIELD"
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    njnancy said:
    josevolution said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Hillary Clinton on Rachel Maddow:

    Say what you will about Hillary, at least she can speak in complete sentences, has a firm grasp of law and policy and can speak of and to it intelligently and possesses intellectual curiosity as well as a sense of humor.
    Yes she does , “China if your watching please release Donald Trumps taxes “ that’s the only time I’ll address him by his name to me he will always be an Orange Baffoon! 
    I have always felt that, if she were a man and possessed the same qualities, she would have won in 2016 hands down. 
    I vehemently disagree with this. I think her being a woman was one of the best things she had going for her. Made her different and unique to a degree. If you take away that, then she's just another Mitt Romney; someone with experience and a good resume...who is boring, robotic, and unlikeable. 

    In my time of following Presidential elections, the "cooler" person has won every single time, experience and policy be damned:

    1992: Clinton cooler than Bush Sr.
    1996: Clinton cooler than Dole.
    2000: Bush Jr. cooler than Gore
    2004: Bush Jr. cooler than Kerry
    2008: Obama cooler than McCain
    2012: Obama cooler than Romney
    2016: Trump cooler than Clinton

    Right? McCain was a war hero and decades-long senator. That used to be what it took to be the president. But Obama was cooler. He plays basketball and hangs with Jay Z. Who cares if he was a one-term senator? Same with Trump. No experience, totally evil. But to some, his antics were entertaining enough to like him. And for some reason, people are passionate about voting for Trump. Concerning Hillary, I think a lot of her voters held the same view I did: "Well I guess I have to vote for her." Hardly someone many people were passionate about. 

    In the end, Hillary, unlike her husband, just isn't a good politician. And remember there's a difference between "politician" and "civil servant." To politic is simply to persuade people, and in an election, it's to persuade people to like you. That's not in her wheelhouse. As a civil servant, she was fine as a senator and secretary of state. But a lot of times that doesn't win elections. That's why Trump, despite everything that's wrong with him, was successful. He's been selling himself for decades. 
    Interesting.  I agree with all of this post, with the exception of the bold (and some uncertainty about the italicized).

    No question it's a popularity contest.  And you can take it back even further (Reagan cooler than his opponents...probably back to JFK, with the exception of Bush I, since neither guy was cool and Carter, who won simply for not being in Nixon's party.  Maybe LBJ, but he was connected to JFK).  That said, I think Hillary was hurt by being a woman.  The primary baggage she brought was 25+ years of being hated; a villain to the right and probably even to moderates.  And this started the moment Bill became a household name. A motivated, ambitious woman was about to be in the role that's supposed to be June Cleaver.  And it just snowballed.  And I don't think she'd have been so hated for so long if she'd been a male.  

    It was a perfect storm. I don't know that people that Trump was "cool" (cooler than Hillary by default, perhaps).  But I do think they were sick of the same ol' same ol' -- Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton with only one other name snuck in there was kinda tough to swallow.  You're right...if she'd been a better politician, she'd have probably won.  You're right that a lot of people probably held their noses, or at least shrugged their shoulders, and voted for Hillary.  But the margin was razor-thin.  And her history of being villainized was difference-making and I have my doubts whether that history could have happened to a male; certainly not for being smart, driven, and ambitious.
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  • Vitalogensia
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    "THE FIELD"
    Conservative Christians (whom are almost exclusively Republican) are taught that women are second class citizens; or at least not equal to men.  Being a woman helped Clinton with some voters (54% of female voters), but it absolutely hurt Clinton's chances as well (lost 53% of white women), just as being a man helped Trump.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/how-the-faithful-voted-a-preliminary-2016-analysis/
    http://fortune.com/2016/11/09/hillary-clinton-election-gender-gap/
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    2018
    Vitalogensia said:
    Conservative Christians (whom are almost exclusively Republican) are taught that women are second class citizens; or at least not equal to men.  Being a woman helped Clinton with some voters (54% of female voters), but it absolutely hurt Clinton's chances as well (lost 53% of white women), just as being a man helped Trump.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/how-the-faithful-voted-a-preliminary-2016-analysis/
    http://fortune.com/2016/11/09/hillary-clinton-election-gender-gap/
    this stat always boggles my mind. 
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  • my2hands
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    haha, that's actually a pretty good photoshop!
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    edited May 2019
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    haha, that's actually a pretty good photoshop!
    If Michelle was completely flat chested maybe. Haha.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    2018
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    haha, that's actually a pretty good photoshop!
    If Michelle was completely flat chested maybe. Haha.
    true. didn't notice that. 

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    haha, that's actually a pretty good photoshop!
    If Michelle was completely flat chested maybe. Haha.
    true. didn't notice that. 

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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,554
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    njnancy said:
    josevolution said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Hillary Clinton on Rachel Maddow:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUeu72fWuYk
    Say what you will about Hillary, at least she can speak in complete sentences, has a firm grasp of law and policy and can speak of and to it intelligently and possesses intellectual curiosity as well as a sense of humor.
    Yes she does , “China if your watching please release Donald Trumps taxes “ that’s the only time I’ll address him by his name to me he will always be an Orange Baffoon! 
    I have always felt that, if she were a man and possessed the same qualities, she would have won in 2016 hands down. 
    I vehemently disagree with this. I think her being a woman was one of the best things she had going for her. Made her different and unique to a degree. If you take away that, then she's just another Mitt Romney; someone with experience and a good resume...who is boring, robotic, and unlikeable. 

    In my time of following Presidential elections, the "cooler" person has won every single time, experience and policy be damned:

    1992: Clinton cooler than Bush Sr.
    1996: Clinton cooler than Dole.
    2000: Bush Jr. cooler than Gore
    2004: Bush Jr. cooler than Kerry
    2008: Obama cooler than McCain
    2012: Obama cooler than Romney
    2016: Trump cooler than Clinton

    Right? McCain was a war hero and decades-long senator. That used to be what it took to be the president. But Obama was cooler. He plays basketball and hangs with Jay Z. Who cares if he was a one-term senator? Same with Trump. No experience, totally evil. But to some, his antics were entertaining enough to like him. And for some reason, people are passionate about voting for Trump. Concerning Hillary, I think a lot of her voters held the same view I did: "Well I guess I have to vote for her." Hardly someone many people were passionate about. 

    In the end, Hillary, unlike her husband, just isn't a good politician. And remember there's a difference between "politician" and "civil servant." To politic is simply to persuade people, and in an election, it's to persuade people to like you. That's not in her wheelhouse. As a civil servant, she was fine as a senator and secretary of state. But a lot of times that doesn't win elections. That's why Trump, despite everything that's wrong with him, was successful. He's been selling himself for decades. 
    I’ll add Bush Sr to the list. Dukakis was such a dork he managed to even make him look cool. 
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    2017
    Go Beavers said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    njnancy said:
    josevolution said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Hillary Clinton on Rachel Maddow:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUeu72fWuYk
    Say what you will about Hillary, at least she can speak in complete sentences, has a firm grasp of law and policy and can speak of and to it intelligently and possesses intellectual curiosity as well as a sense of humor.
    Yes she does , “China if your watching please release Donald Trumps taxes “ that’s the only time I’ll address him by his name to me he will always be an Orange Baffoon! 
    I have always felt that, if she were a man and possessed the same qualities, she would have won in 2016 hands down. 
    I vehemently disagree with this. I think her being a woman was one of the best things she had going for her. Made her different and unique to a degree. If you take away that, then she's just another Mitt Romney; someone with experience and a good resume...who is boring, robotic, and unlikeable. 

    In my time of following Presidential elections, the "cooler" person has won every single time, experience and policy be damned:

    1992: Clinton cooler than Bush Sr.
    1996: Clinton cooler than Dole.
    2000: Bush Jr. cooler than Gore
    2004: Bush Jr. cooler than Kerry
    2008: Obama cooler than McCain
    2012: Obama cooler than Romney
    2016: Trump cooler than Clinton

    Right? McCain was a war hero and decades-long senator. That used to be what it took to be the president. But Obama was cooler. He plays basketball and hangs with Jay Z. Who cares if he was a one-term senator? Same with Trump. No experience, totally evil. But to some, his antics were entertaining enough to like him. And for some reason, people are passionate about voting for Trump. Concerning Hillary, I think a lot of her voters held the same view I did: "Well I guess I have to vote for her." Hardly someone many people were passionate about. 

    In the end, Hillary, unlike her husband, just isn't a good politician. And remember there's a difference between "politician" and "civil servant." To politic is simply to persuade people, and in an election, it's to persuade people to like you. That's not in her wheelhouse. As a civil servant, she was fine as a senator and secretary of state. But a lot of times that doesn't win elections. That's why Trump, despite everything that's wrong with him, was successful. He's been selling himself for decades. 
    I’ll add Bush Sr to the list. Dukakis was such a dork he managed to even make him look cool. 

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  • mcgruff10
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    Go Beavers said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    njnancy said:
    josevolution said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Hillary Clinton on Rachel Maddow:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUeu72fWuYk
    Say what you will about Hillary, at least she can speak in complete sentences, has a firm grasp of law and policy and can speak of and to it intelligently and possesses intellectual curiosity as well as a sense of humor.
    Yes she does , “China if your watching please release Donald Trumps taxes “ that’s the only time I’ll address him by his name to me he will always be an Orange Baffoon! 
    I have always felt that, if she were a man and possessed the same qualities, she would have won in 2016 hands down. 
    I vehemently disagree with this. I think her being a woman was one of the best things she had going for her. Made her different and unique to a degree. If you take away that, then she's just another Mitt Romney; someone with experience and a good resume...who is boring, robotic, and unlikeable. 

    In my time of following Presidential elections, the "cooler" person has won every single time, experience and policy be damned:

    1992: Clinton cooler than Bush Sr.
    1996: Clinton cooler than Dole.
    2000: Bush Jr. cooler than Gore
    2004: Bush Jr. cooler than Kerry
    2008: Obama cooler than McCain
    2012: Obama cooler than Romney
    2016: Trump cooler than Clinton

    Right? McCain was a war hero and decades-long senator. That used to be what it took to be the president. But Obama was cooler. He plays basketball and hangs with Jay Z. Who cares if he was a one-term senator? Same with Trump. No experience, totally evil. But to some, his antics were entertaining enough to like him. And for some reason, people are passionate about voting for Trump. Concerning Hillary, I think a lot of her voters held the same view I did: "Well I guess I have to vote for her." Hardly someone many people were passionate about. 

    In the end, Hillary, unlike her husband, just isn't a good politician. And remember there's a difference between "politician" and "civil servant." To politic is simply to persuade people, and in an election, it's to persuade people to like you. That's not in her wheelhouse. As a civil servant, she was fine as a senator and secretary of state. But a lot of times that doesn't win elections. That's why Trump, despite everything that's wrong with him, was successful. He's been selling himself for decades. 
    I’ll add Bush Sr to the list. Dukakis was such a dork he managed to even make him look cool. 
    Reagan vs Carter also fits this theory.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,554
    jeffbr said:
    Go Beavers said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    njnancy said:
    josevolution said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Hillary Clinton on Rachel Maddow:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUeu72fWuYk
    Say what you will about Hillary, at least she can speak in complete sentences, has a firm grasp of law and policy and can speak of and to it intelligently and possesses intellectual curiosity as well as a sense of humor.
    Yes she does , “China if your watching please release Donald Trumps taxes “ that’s the only time I’ll address him by his name to me he will always be an Orange Baffoon! 
    I have always felt that, if she were a man and possessed the same qualities, she would have won in 2016 hands down. 
    I vehemently disagree with this. I think her being a woman was one of the best things she had going for her. Made her different and unique to a degree. If you take away that, then she's just another Mitt Romney; someone with experience and a good resume...who is boring, robotic, and unlikeable. 

    In my time of following Presidential elections, the "cooler" person has won every single time, experience and policy be damned:

    1992: Clinton cooler than Bush Sr.
    1996: Clinton cooler than Dole.
    2000: Bush Jr. cooler than Gore
    2004: Bush Jr. cooler than Kerry
    2008: Obama cooler than McCain
    2012: Obama cooler than Romney
    2016: Trump cooler than Clinton

    Right? McCain was a war hero and decades-long senator. That used to be what it took to be the president. But Obama was cooler. He plays basketball and hangs with Jay Z. Who cares if he was a one-term senator? Same with Trump. No experience, totally evil. But to some, his antics were entertaining enough to like him. And for some reason, people are passionate about voting for Trump. Concerning Hillary, I think a lot of her voters held the same view I did: "Well I guess I have to vote for her." Hardly someone many people were passionate about. 

    In the end, Hillary, unlike her husband, just isn't a good politician. And remember there's a difference between "politician" and "civil servant." To politic is simply to persuade people, and in an election, it's to persuade people to like you. That's not in her wheelhouse. As a civil servant, she was fine as a senator and secretary of state. But a lot of times that doesn't win elections. That's why Trump, despite everything that's wrong with him, was successful. He's been selling himself for decades. 
    I’ll add Bush Sr to the list. Dukakis was such a dork he managed to even make him look cool. 

    Mistakes were made. 

  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    2017
    Go Beavers said:
    jeffbr said:
    Go Beavers said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    njnancy said:
    josevolution said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Hillary Clinton on Rachel Maddow:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUeu72fWuYk
    Say what you will about Hillary, at least she can speak in complete sentences, has a firm grasp of law and policy and can speak of and to it intelligently and possesses intellectual curiosity as well as a sense of humor.
    Yes she does , “China if your watching please release Donald Trumps taxes “ that’s the only time I’ll address him by his name to me he will always be an Orange Baffoon! 
    I have always felt that, if she were a man and possessed the same qualities, she would have won in 2016 hands down. 
    I vehemently disagree with this. I think her being a woman was one of the best things she had going for her. Made her different and unique to a degree. If you take away that, then she's just another Mitt Romney; someone with experience and a good resume...who is boring, robotic, and unlikeable. 

    In my time of following Presidential elections, the "cooler" person has won every single time, experience and policy be damned:

    1992: Clinton cooler than Bush Sr.
    1996: Clinton cooler than Dole.
    2000: Bush Jr. cooler than Gore
    2004: Bush Jr. cooler than Kerry
    2008: Obama cooler than McCain
    2012: Obama cooler than Romney
    2016: Trump cooler than Clinton

    Right? McCain was a war hero and decades-long senator. That used to be what it took to be the president. But Obama was cooler. He plays basketball and hangs with Jay Z. Who cares if he was a one-term senator? Same with Trump. No experience, totally evil. But to some, his antics were entertaining enough to like him. And for some reason, people are passionate about voting for Trump. Concerning Hillary, I think a lot of her voters held the same view I did: "Well I guess I have to vote for her." Hardly someone many people were passionate about. 

    In the end, Hillary, unlike her husband, just isn't a good politician. And remember there's a difference between "politician" and "civil servant." To politic is simply to persuade people, and in an election, it's to persuade people to like you. That's not in her wheelhouse. As a civil servant, she was fine as a senator and secretary of state. But a lot of times that doesn't win elections. That's why Trump, despite everything that's wrong with him, was successful. He's been selling himself for decades. 
    I’ll add Bush Sr to the list. Dukakis was such a dork he managed to even make him look cool. 

    Mistakes were made. 

    Lol
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,194
    edited May 2019
    Why would Team Trump Treason need to do this? Particularly if,

    “There was no collusion.”
    “I have nothing to hide.”
    “I don’t know any Russians.”
    “I’ll sit down and talk with anyone.”
    “We do everything by the book.”
    “Only the guilty plea the fifth.”
    “Very legal, very cool.”
    “Fully exonerated.”

    https://apple.news/AGdOeZXWTSOqfXLz-XaQCVA

    And, if the new greatest hits are by Azra Turk? I mean CYA Barr and his IG are spinning the greatest hits, right? Or tasting fruit from the poisonous tree? Smoothie anyone?
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