Team Mueller (and Their Report)

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  • foodshop65foodshop65 ConnecticutPosts: 617
    mcgruff10 said:
    i guess the report came in cause it's awfully quiet here. kleenex anyone
    It is comical. 
    It’s comical that both of you believe in a crook and that this is over ! 

    you are right, it's not over. now we get to take down the Clinton's, Podesta's, and Schiff's of the world!
    safe space rooms will need kleenex and light days. seems like a lot of people might be spotting today

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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,118
    Total fucking dud 
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 20,076
    my2hands said:
    Total fucking dud 
    Just like "you are" opening a show lol.  
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,118
    mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    Total fucking dud 
    Just like "you are" opening a show lol.  
    Bwahahahaha, well played lol
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,469
    So, is he still “conflicted?”
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 28,527
    Wait a minute... WTF?  The report isn't even in yet and some here are implying that the thing is bust and that it's quiet round here because it didn't reveal what many are hoping it will?  Jumping the gun a bit guys? 

    This fucking place...  :lol: 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,469
    brianlux said:
    Wait a minute... WTF?  The report isn't even in yet and some here are implying that the thing is bust and that it's quiet round here because it didn't reveal what many are hoping it will?  Jumping the gun a bit guys? 

    This fucking place...  :lol: 
    I’m just going with my gut.
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    team trump treason
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    brianlux said:
    Wait a minute... WTF?  The report isn't even in yet and some here are implying that the thing is bust and that it's quiet round here because it didn't reveal what many are hoping it will?  Jumping the gun a bit guys? 

    This fucking place...  :lol: 
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    brianlux said:
    Wait a minute... WTF?  The report isn't even in yet and some here are implying that the thing is bust and that it's quiet round here because it didn't reveal what many are hoping it will?  Jumping the gun a bit guys? 

    This fucking place...  :lol: 
    I know. It’s pretty ridiculous.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,767
    mcgruff10 said:
    i guess the report came in cause it's awfully quiet here. kleenex anyone
    It is comical. 
    Is it? I think everyone is waiting to read the thing, no?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,469
    My gut tells me that the Team Mueller Report is rich in detail.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 11,552
    My gut tells me that the Team Mueller Report is rich in detail.
    Yeah probably but there's not going to be anything that can hurt Trump from a legal standpoint. I'm sure there will be stuff in the report that makes Trump look like a shady asshole (of course), but nothing more. That's why I don't get why people are suggesting that Barr is withholding anything significant. He had to know that the report would eventually be made public, so to lie in his summary would only hurt him. 

    Here's a question: if Mueller couldn't reach a conclusion on whether Trump colluded with Russia, isn't that the same as finding no evidence of collusion? "Not reaching a conclusion" is tantamount to there not being enough evidence in a murder trial. That's how OJ and Casey Anthony got off. For Mueller to say that he couldn't reach a conclusion, but also say that he won't exonerate Trump, would be like Judge Ito saying "Well the jury says not guilty so OJ is free to go, but you know as well as I do that he did it." 

    Sorry that Mueller let ya down so badly because I know you were among his biggest cheerleaders (you gave Rachel Maddow a run for her money). 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,469
    My gut tells me that the Team Mueller Report is rich in detail.
    Yeah probably but there's not going to be anything that can hurt Trump from a legal standpoint. I'm sure there will be stuff in the report that makes Trump look like a shady asshole (of course), but nothing more. That's why I don't get why people are suggesting that Barr is withholding anything significant. He had to know that the report would eventually be made public, so to lie in his summary would only hurt him. 

    Here's a question: if Mueller couldn't reach a conclusion on whether Trump colluded with Russia, isn't that the same as finding no evidence of collusion? "Not reaching a conclusion" is tantamount to there not being enough evidence in a murder trial. That's how OJ and Casey Anthony got off. For Mueller to say that he couldn't reach a conclusion, but also say that he won't exonerate Trump, would be like Judge Ito saying "Well the jury says not guilty so OJ is free to go, but you know as well as I do that he did it." 

    Sorry that Mueller let ya down so badly because I know you were among his biggest cheerleaders (you gave Rachel Maddow a run for her money). 
    It ain't over yet. Team Mueller punted and as of yet, we're not sure why. Was it because DOJ policy is not to indict a sitting POTUS? Was he directed by Barr to wrap it up? Or was there not enough evidence to convict in a court, thus punting to the House for impeachment, where the bar is lower? Again, all we have is a four page summary by a biased political appointee running a coverup. Rosenstein routinely charged defendants with obstruction despite not charging them with an underlying crime. Barr has successfully manuevered this from the legal realm to the political. I look forward to the house investigation and testimony on the hill. You can't say for certain whether Mueller let me down unless you've read the full report. And, there are still ongoing intelligence investigations, of which we know very little. This isn't over by a long shot.

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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 1,404
    My gut tells me that the Team Mueller Report is rich in detail.
    Yeah probably but there's not going to be anything that can hurt Trump from a legal standpoint. I'm sure there will be stuff in the report that makes Trump look like a shady asshole (of course), but nothing more. That's why I don't get why people are suggesting that Barr is withholding anything significant. He had to know that the report would eventually be made public, so to lie in his summary would only hurt him. 

    Here's a question: if Mueller couldn't reach a conclusion on whether Trump colluded with Russia, isn't that the same as finding no evidence of collusion? "Not reaching a conclusion" is tantamount to there not being enough evidence in a murder trial. That's how OJ and Casey Anthony got off. For Mueller to say that he couldn't reach a conclusion, but also say that he won't exonerate Trump, would be like Judge Ito saying "Well the jury says not guilty so OJ is free to go, but you know as well as I do that he did it." 

    Sorry that Mueller let ya down so badly because I know you were among his biggest cheerleaders (you gave Rachel Maddow a run for her money). 


    From a legal standpoint you are correct, for the one specific crime mueller investigated, with the one specific party outlined in Rosenstein's letter.

    Congressional oversight is much broader. For example it appears they did not consider the legality of colluding with wikileaks. Although it's probably impossible to prove in court they operated at the direction of the Russian govt, they are a foreign national, with which I do believe it is illegal to campaign. We need the report in order to understand details like this.


    The reason Barr is delaying in fact is to give Trump a victory lap to try to control the narrative. Given current polling, thankfully the majority still believes Trump is not in the clear on collusion. Thanks the Constitution is extremely clear regarding congressional authority over the executive branch
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 11,552
    My gut tells me that the Team Mueller Report is rich in detail.
    Yeah probably but there's not going to be anything that can hurt Trump from a legal standpoint. I'm sure there will be stuff in the report that makes Trump look like a shady asshole (of course), but nothing more. That's why I don't get why people are suggesting that Barr is withholding anything significant. He had to know that the report would eventually be made public, so to lie in his summary would only hurt him. 

    Here's a question: if Mueller couldn't reach a conclusion on whether Trump colluded with Russia, isn't that the same as finding no evidence of collusion? "Not reaching a conclusion" is tantamount to there not being enough evidence in a murder trial. That's how OJ and Casey Anthony got off. For Mueller to say that he couldn't reach a conclusion, but also say that he won't exonerate Trump, would be like Judge Ito saying "Well the jury says not guilty so OJ is free to go, but you know as well as I do that he did it." 

    Sorry that Mueller let ya down so badly because I know you were among his biggest cheerleaders (you gave Rachel Maddow a run for her money). 
    It ain't over yet. Team Mueller punted and as of yet, we're not sure why. Was it because DOJ policy is not to indict a sitting POTUS? Was he directed by Barr to wrap it up? Or was there not enough evidence to convict in a court, thus punting to the House for impeachment, where the bar is lower? Again, all we have is a four page summary by a biased political appointee running a coverup. Rosenstein routinely charged defendants with obstruction despite not charging them with an underlying crime. Barr has successfully manuevered this from the legal realm to the political. I look forward to the house investigation and testimony on the hill. You can't say for certain whether Mueller let me down unless you've read the full report. And, there are still ongoing intelligence investigations, of which we know very little. This isn't over by a long shot.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/01/opinion/mueller-report-trump.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    When the full scope of the president’s misconduct has been revealed, when his lies are debunked and his abuses have been laid bare, I believe that members of Congress on both sides of the aisle will draft legislation to curb the worst of his offenses. Put another way: If President Trump’s behavior wasn’t criminal, then perhaps it should have been.

    Impeachment is never going to happen no matter what the report says unless the Dems can flip the Senate and have enough votes. The house won't impeach him if the Senate can't get a conviction, per Pelosi. 

    Good point from the NY Times piece you linked, I wouldn't be surprised if there were act committed that aren't criminal, but should be. 

    And on the subject of Barr's summary, are you going to read the entire Mueller Report when it's released? The ENTIRE thing? Or are you going to read a summary from someone you trust more than Barr? 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,469
    My gut tells me that the Team Mueller Report is rich in detail.
    Yeah probably but there's not going to be anything that can hurt Trump from a legal standpoint. I'm sure there will be stuff in the report that makes Trump look like a shady asshole (of course), but nothing more. That's why I don't get why people are suggesting that Barr is withholding anything significant. He had to know that the report would eventually be made public, so to lie in his summary would only hurt him. 

    Here's a question: if Mueller couldn't reach a conclusion on whether Trump colluded with Russia, isn't that the same as finding no evidence of collusion? "Not reaching a conclusion" is tantamount to there not being enough evidence in a murder trial. That's how OJ and Casey Anthony got off. For Mueller to say that he couldn't reach a conclusion, but also say that he won't exonerate Trump, would be like Judge Ito saying "Well the jury says not guilty so OJ is free to go, but you know as well as I do that he did it." 

    Sorry that Mueller let ya down so badly because I know you were among his biggest cheerleaders (you gave Rachel Maddow a run for her money). 
    It ain't over yet. Team Mueller punted and as of yet, we're not sure why. Was it because DOJ policy is not to indict a sitting POTUS? Was he directed by Barr to wrap it up? Or was there not enough evidence to convict in a court, thus punting to the House for impeachment, where the bar is lower? Again, all we have is a four page summary by a biased political appointee running a coverup. Rosenstein routinely charged defendants with obstruction despite not charging them with an underlying crime. Barr has successfully manuevered this from the legal realm to the political. I look forward to the house investigation and testimony on the hill. You can't say for certain whether Mueller let me down unless you've read the full report. And, there are still ongoing intelligence investigations, of which we know very little. This isn't over by a long shot.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/01/opinion/mueller-report-trump.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    When the full scope of the president’s misconduct has been revealed, when his lies are debunked and his abuses have been laid bare, I believe that members of Congress on both sides of the aisle will draft legislation to curb the worst of his offenses. Put another way: If President Trump’s behavior wasn’t criminal, then perhaps it should have been.

    Impeachment is never going to happen no matter what the report says unless the Dems can flip the Senate and have enough votes. The house won't impeach him if the Senate can't get a conviction, per Pelosi. 

    Good point from the NY Times piece you linked, I wouldn't be surprised if there were act committed that aren't criminal, but should be. 

    And on the subject of Barr's summary, are you going to read the entire Mueller Report when it's released? The ENTIRE thing? Or are you going to read a summary from someone you trust more than Barr? 
    I’ll read the whole thing like I did the Starr Report. Do you think I haven’t read the source documents that I’ve linked to and rely, instead, on summaries or news reporting of the same? For the record, MSNBC is not part of my cable package.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 11,552
    My gut tells me that the Team Mueller Report is rich in detail.
    Yeah probably but there's not going to be anything that can hurt Trump from a legal standpoint. I'm sure there will be stuff in the report that makes Trump look like a shady asshole (of course), but nothing more. That's why I don't get why people are suggesting that Barr is withholding anything significant. He had to know that the report would eventually be made public, so to lie in his summary would only hurt him. 

    Here's a question: if Mueller couldn't reach a conclusion on whether Trump colluded with Russia, isn't that the same as finding no evidence of collusion? "Not reaching a conclusion" is tantamount to there not being enough evidence in a murder trial. That's how OJ and Casey Anthony got off. For Mueller to say that he couldn't reach a conclusion, but also say that he won't exonerate Trump, would be like Judge Ito saying "Well the jury says not guilty so OJ is free to go, but you know as well as I do that he did it." 

    Sorry that Mueller let ya down so badly because I know you were among his biggest cheerleaders (you gave Rachel Maddow a run for her money). 
    It ain't over yet. Team Mueller punted and as of yet, we're not sure why. Was it because DOJ policy is not to indict a sitting POTUS? Was he directed by Barr to wrap it up? Or was there not enough evidence to convict in a court, thus punting to the House for impeachment, where the bar is lower? Again, all we have is a four page summary by a biased political appointee running a coverup. Rosenstein routinely charged defendants with obstruction despite not charging them with an underlying crime. Barr has successfully manuevered this from the legal realm to the political. I look forward to the house investigation and testimony on the hill. You can't say for certain whether Mueller let me down unless you've read the full report. And, there are still ongoing intelligence investigations, of which we know very little. This isn't over by a long shot.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/01/opinion/mueller-report-trump.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    When the full scope of the president’s misconduct has been revealed, when his lies are debunked and his abuses have been laid bare, I believe that members of Congress on both sides of the aisle will draft legislation to curb the worst of his offenses. Put another way: If President Trump’s behavior wasn’t criminal, then perhaps it should have been.

    Impeachment is never going to happen no matter what the report says unless the Dems can flip the Senate and have enough votes. The house won't impeach him if the Senate can't get a conviction, per Pelosi. 

    Good point from the NY Times piece you linked, I wouldn't be surprised if there were act committed that aren't criminal, but should be. 

    And on the subject of Barr's summary, are you going to read the entire Mueller Report when it's released? The ENTIRE thing? Or are you going to read a summary from someone you trust more than Barr? 
    I’ll read the whole thing like I did the Starr Report. Do you think I haven’t read the source documents that I’ve linked to and rely, instead, on summaries or news reporting of the same? For the record, MSNBC is not part of my cable package.
    No I'm not trying to imply that you do or you don't. And frankly, of anybody I've seen talk about the Mueller report either on TV, on this board, or in person, I'd peg you as the most likely to read the entire thing. But I don't think that's going to be too common-place. I think a great deal of people, whether they're pro-Trump, anti-Trump, or indifferent, will rely on some sort of summary, be it in print, on something like Wikipedia, or from a cable news talking-head. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,469
    My gut tells me that the Team Mueller Report is rich in detail.
    Yeah probably but there's not going to be anything that can hurt Trump from a legal standpoint. I'm sure there will be stuff in the report that makes Trump look like a shady asshole (of course), but nothing more. That's why I don't get why people are suggesting that Barr is withholding anything significant. He had to know that the report would eventually be made public, so to lie in his summary would only hurt him. 

    Here's a question: if Mueller couldn't reach a conclusion on whether Trump colluded with Russia, isn't that the same as finding no evidence of collusion? "Not reaching a conclusion" is tantamount to there not being enough evidence in a murder trial. That's how OJ and Casey Anthony got off. For Mueller to say that he couldn't reach a conclusion, but also say that he won't exonerate Trump, would be like Judge Ito saying "Well the jury says not guilty so OJ is free to go, but you know as well as I do that he did it." 

    Sorry that Mueller let ya down so badly because I know you were among his biggest cheerleaders (you gave Rachel Maddow a run for her money). 
    It ain't over yet. Team Mueller punted and as of yet, we're not sure why. Was it because DOJ policy is not to indict a sitting POTUS? Was he directed by Barr to wrap it up? Or was there not enough evidence to convict in a court, thus punting to the House for impeachment, where the bar is lower? Again, all we have is a four page summary by a biased political appointee running a coverup. Rosenstein routinely charged defendants with obstruction despite not charging them with an underlying crime. Barr has successfully manuevered this from the legal realm to the political. I look forward to the house investigation and testimony on the hill. You can't say for certain whether Mueller let me down unless you've read the full report. And, there are still ongoing intelligence investigations, of which we know very little. This isn't over by a long shot.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/01/opinion/mueller-report-trump.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    When the full scope of the president’s misconduct has been revealed, when his lies are debunked and his abuses have been laid bare, I believe that members of Congress on both sides of the aisle will draft legislation to curb the worst of his offenses. Put another way: If President Trump’s behavior wasn’t criminal, then perhaps it should have been.

    Impeachment is never going to happen no matter what the report says unless the Dems can flip the Senate and have enough votes. The house won't impeach him if the Senate can't get a conviction, per Pelosi. 

    Good point from the NY Times piece you linked, I wouldn't be surprised if there were act committed that aren't criminal, but should be. 

    And on the subject of Barr's summary, are you going to read the entire Mueller Report when it's released? The ENTIRE thing? Or are you going to read a summary from someone you trust more than Barr? 
    I’ll read the whole thing like I did the Starr Report. Do you think I haven’t read the source documents that I’ve linked to and rely, instead, on summaries or news reporting of the same? For the record, MSNBC is not part of my cable package.
    No I'm not trying to imply that you do or you don't. And frankly, of anybody I've seen talk about the Mueller report either on TV, on this board, or in person, I'd peg you as the most likely to read the entire thing. But I don't think that's going to be too common-place. I think a great deal of people, whether they're pro-Trump, anti-Trump, or indifferent, will rely on some sort of summary, be it in print, on something like Wikipedia, or from a cable news talking-head. 
    And thats a shame. I still have a paperback version of The Pentagon Papers on my shelf. Theres a whole lot of insight in there.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 11,552
    My gut tells me that the Team Mueller Report is rich in detail.
    Yeah probably but there's not going to be anything that can hurt Trump from a legal standpoint. I'm sure there will be stuff in the report that makes Trump look like a shady asshole (of course), but nothing more. That's why I don't get why people are suggesting that Barr is withholding anything significant. He had to know that the report would eventually be made public, so to lie in his summary would only hurt him. 

    Here's a question: if Mueller couldn't reach a conclusion on whether Trump colluded with Russia, isn't that the same as finding no evidence of collusion? "Not reaching a conclusion" is tantamount to there not being enough evidence in a murder trial. That's how OJ and Casey Anthony got off. For Mueller to say that he couldn't reach a conclusion, but also say that he won't exonerate Trump, would be like Judge Ito saying "Well the jury says not guilty so OJ is free to go, but you know as well as I do that he did it." 

    Sorry that Mueller let ya down so badly because I know you were among his biggest cheerleaders (you gave Rachel Maddow a run for her money). 
    It ain't over yet. Team Mueller punted and as of yet, we're not sure why. Was it because DOJ policy is not to indict a sitting POTUS? Was he directed by Barr to wrap it up? Or was there not enough evidence to convict in a court, thus punting to the House for impeachment, where the bar is lower? Again, all we have is a four page summary by a biased political appointee running a coverup. Rosenstein routinely charged defendants with obstruction despite not charging them with an underlying crime. Barr has successfully manuevered this from the legal realm to the political. I look forward to the house investigation and testimony on the hill. You can't say for certain whether Mueller let me down unless you've read the full report. And, there are still ongoing intelligence investigations, of which we know very little. This isn't over by a long shot.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/01/opinion/mueller-report-trump.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    When the full scope of the president’s misconduct has been revealed, when his lies are debunked and his abuses have been laid bare, I believe that members of Congress on both sides of the aisle will draft legislation to curb the worst of his offenses. Put another way: If President Trump’s behavior wasn’t criminal, then perhaps it should have been.

    Impeachment is never going to happen no matter what the report says unless the Dems can flip the Senate and have enough votes. The house won't impeach him if the Senate can't get a conviction, per Pelosi. 

    Good point from the NY Times piece you linked, I wouldn't be surprised if there were act committed that aren't criminal, but should be. 

    And on the subject of Barr's summary, are you going to read the entire Mueller Report when it's released? The ENTIRE thing? Or are you going to read a summary from someone you trust more than Barr? 
    I’ll read the whole thing like I did the Starr Report. Do you think I haven’t read the source documents that I’ve linked to and rely, instead, on summaries or news reporting of the same? For the record, MSNBC is not part of my cable package.
    No I'm not trying to imply that you do or you don't. And frankly, of anybody I've seen talk about the Mueller report either on TV, on this board, or in person, I'd peg you as the most likely to read the entire thing. But I don't think that's going to be too common-place. I think a great deal of people, whether they're pro-Trump, anti-Trump, or indifferent, will rely on some sort of summary, be it in print, on something like Wikipedia, or from a cable news talking-head. 
    And thats a shame. I still have a paperback version of The Pentagon Papers on my shelf. Theres a whole lot of insight in there.
    I think it's the attention span of people these days. I'm guilty of it myself in some instances. 

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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 1,404
    My gut tells me that the Team Mueller Report is rich in detail.
    Yeah probably but there's not going to be anything that can hurt Trump from a legal standpoint. I'm sure there will be stuff in the report that makes Trump look like a shady asshole (of course), but nothing more. That's why I don't get why people are suggesting that Barr is withholding anything significant. He had to know that the report would eventually be made public, so to lie in his summary would only hurt him. 

    Here's a question: if Mueller couldn't reach a conclusion on whether Trump colluded with Russia, isn't that the same as finding no evidence of collusion? "Not reaching a conclusion" is tantamount to there not being enough evidence in a murder trial. That's how OJ and Casey Anthony got off. For Mueller to say that he couldn't reach a conclusion, but also say that he won't exonerate Trump, would be like Judge Ito saying "Well the jury says not guilty so OJ is free to go, but you know as well as I do that he did it." 

    Sorry that Mueller let ya down so badly because I know you were among his biggest cheerleaders (you gave Rachel Maddow a run for her money). 
    It ain't over yet. Team Mueller punted and as of yet, we're not sure why. Was it because DOJ policy is not to indict a sitting POTUS? Was he directed by Barr to wrap it up? Or was there not enough evidence to convict in a court, thus punting to the House for impeachment, where the bar is lower? Again, all we have is a four page summary by a biased political appointee running a coverup. Rosenstein routinely charged defendants with obstruction despite not charging them with an underlying crime. Barr has successfully manuevered this from the legal realm to the political. I look forward to the house investigation and testimony on the hill. You can't say for certain whether Mueller let me down unless you've read the full report. And, there are still ongoing intelligence investigations, of which we know very little. This isn't over by a long shot.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/01/opinion/mueller-report-trump.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    When the full scope of the president’s misconduct has been revealed, when his lies are debunked and his abuses have been laid bare, I believe that members of Congress on both sides of the aisle will draft legislation to curb the worst of his offenses. Put another way: If President Trump’s behavior wasn’t criminal, then perhaps it should have been.

    Impeachment is never going to happen no matter what the report says unless the Dems can flip the Senate and have enough votes. The house won't impeach him if the Senate can't get a conviction, per Pelosi. 

    Good point from the NY Times piece you linked, I wouldn't be surprised if there were act committed that aren't criminal, but should be. 

    And on the subject of Barr's summary, are you going to read the entire Mueller Report when it's released? The ENTIRE thing? Or are you going to read a summary from someone you trust more than Barr? 

    Reading the report is essential to understanding what the Trump campaign did. I do agree impeachment of Trump is highly unlikely, but if Barr redacts portions of the report from Congress, Impeaching the AG should be put on the table.

    Barr would not be removed from office, but it's easier to push hard on Barr than it is on Trump, because Barr doesn't have 40% of the country blindly loyal to him. Cementing his legacy as a blind Trump protector would be punishment enough, if warranted.

    Considering the 2018 memo Barr wrote to audition for this job, and the one sided treatment of this investigation, if anything significant is in Mueller's report that was omitted by Barr's letter, the house should go after Barr with the full force of the Constitution. 

  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 1,404
    My gut tells me that the Team Mueller Report is rich in detail.
    Yeah probably but there's not going to be anything that can hurt Trump from a legal standpoint. I'm sure there will be stuff in the report that makes Trump look like a shady asshole (of course), but nothing more. That's why I don't get why people are suggesting that Barr is withholding anything significant. He had to know that the report would eventually be made public, so to lie in his summary would only hurt him. 

    Here's a question: if Mueller couldn't reach a conclusion on whether Trump colluded with Russia, isn't that the same as finding no evidence of collusion? "Not reaching a conclusion" is tantamount to there not being enough evidence in a murder trial. That's how OJ and Casey Anthony got off. For Mueller to say that he couldn't reach a conclusion, but also say that he won't exonerate Trump, would be like Judge Ito saying "Well the jury says not guilty so OJ is free to go, but you know as well as I do that he did it." 

    Sorry that Mueller let ya down so badly because I know you were among his biggest cheerleaders (you gave Rachel Maddow a run for her money). 
    It ain't over yet. Team Mueller punted and as of yet, we're not sure why. Was it because DOJ policy is not to indict a sitting POTUS? Was he directed by Barr to wrap it up? Or was there not enough evidence to convict in a court, thus punting to the House for impeachment, where the bar is lower? Again, all we have is a four page summary by a biased political appointee running a coverup. Rosenstein routinely charged defendants with obstruction despite not charging them with an underlying crime. Barr has successfully manuevered this from the legal realm to the political. I look forward to the house investigation and testimony on the hill. You can't say for certain whether Mueller let me down unless you've read the full report. And, there are still ongoing intelligence investigations, of which we know very little. This isn't over by a long shot.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/01/opinion/mueller-report-trump.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    When the full scope of the president’s misconduct has been revealed, when his lies are debunked and his abuses have been laid bare, I believe that members of Congress on both sides of the aisle will draft legislation to curb the worst of his offenses. Put another way: If President Trump’s behavior wasn’t criminal, then perhaps it should have been.

    Impeachment is never going to happen no matter what the report says unless the Dems can flip the Senate and have enough votes. The house won't impeach him if the Senate can't get a conviction, per Pelosi. 

    Good point from the NY Times piece you linked, I wouldn't be surprised if there were act committed that aren't criminal, but should be. 

    And on the subject of Barr's summary, are you going to read the entire Mueller Report when it's released? The ENTIRE thing? Or are you going to read a summary from someone you trust more than Barr? 

    Reading the report is essential to understanding what the Trump campaign did. I do agree impeachment of Trump is highly unlikely, but if Barr redacts portions of the report from Congress, Impeaching the AG should be put on the table.

    Barr would not be removed from office, but it's easier to push hard on Barr than it is on Trump, because Barr doesn't have 40% of the country blindly loyal to him. Cementing his legacy as a blind Trump protector would be punishment enough, if warranted.

    Considering the 2018 memo Barr wrote to audition for this job, and the one sided treatment of this investigation, if anything significant is in Mueller's report that was omitted by Barr's letter, the house should go after Barr with the full force of the Constitution. 

  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 21,716
    My gut tells me that the Team Mueller Report is rich in detail.
    Yeah probably but there's not going to be anything that can hurt Trump from a legal standpoint. I'm sure there will be stuff in the report that makes Trump look like a shady asshole (of course), but nothing more. That's why I don't get why people are suggesting that Barr is withholding anything significant. He had to know that the report would eventually be made public, so to lie in his summary would only hurt him. 

    Here's a question: if Mueller couldn't reach a conclusion on whether Trump colluded with Russia, isn't that the same as finding no evidence of collusion? "Not reaching a conclusion" is tantamount to there not being enough evidence in a murder trial. That's how OJ and Casey Anthony got off. For Mueller to say that he couldn't reach a conclusion, but also say that he won't exonerate Trump, would be like Judge Ito saying "Well the jury says not guilty so OJ is free to go, but you know as well as I do that he did it." 

    Sorry that Mueller let ya down so badly because I know you were among his biggest cheerleaders (you gave Rachel Maddow a run for her money). 
    lol you post all good points and then you ended with a snarky remark listen to me closely the Baffoon got away this time , don’t wave your checkered flag just yet he won round 1 of a fifteen round fight !
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 11,552
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    My gut tells me that the Team Mueller Report is rich in detail.
    Yeah probably but there's not going to be anything that can hurt Trump from a legal standpoint. I'm sure there will be stuff in the report that makes Trump look like a shady asshole (of course), but nothing more. That's why I don't get why people are suggesting that Barr is withholding anything significant. He had to know that the report would eventually be made public, so to lie in his summary would only hurt him. 

    Here's a question: if Mueller couldn't reach a conclusion on whether Trump colluded with Russia, isn't that the same as finding no evidence of collusion? "Not reaching a conclusion" is tantamount to there not being enough evidence in a murder trial. That's how OJ and Casey Anthony got off. For Mueller to say that he couldn't reach a conclusion, but also say that he won't exonerate Trump, would be like Judge Ito saying "Well the jury says not guilty so OJ is free to go, but you know as well as I do that he did it." 

    Sorry that Mueller let ya down so badly because I know you were among his biggest cheerleaders (you gave Rachel Maddow a run for her money). 
    lol you post all good points and then you ended with a snarky remark listen to me closely the Baffoon got away this time , don’t wave your checkered flag just yet he won round 1 of a fifteen round fight !
    Nothing’s going to happen to your baffoon. And look, I’m on your side. I’d be more than happy seeing Trump dragged out of the White House in handcuffs. But nothing of the sort is going to happen. Mueller won’t indict as we know. The Dems don’t have enough votes in the Senate to get an impeachment conviction. So what else is there? More indictments for his cronies? Who cares about them? Bad press that could hurt him in the 2020 election? Every day he gets bad press. Accept the reality that the only way to get rid of him is to beat him in 2020, or maybe impeach if the Dems could get control of the Senate in 2020 or 2022.
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    Buffoon
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,469
    Is going to make a cutting figure as he testifies before the house oversight committee.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 21,716
    my2hands said:
    Buffoon
    Doesn’t matter how it’s spelled it describes him perfectly ! 
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,583
    Barr said Mueller report would be available within a week 6 days ago.  Clocks ticking mf, let's see it!
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 7,265
    Imagine that...a government employee might miss a deadline, pretty shocking...I bet that rarely happens in government ... 
  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,583
    Imagine that...a government employee might miss a deadline, pretty shocking...I bet that rarely happens in government ... 
    except this deadline was self-imposed, under oath, while testifying to congress
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