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  • Lerxst1992
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    My gut tells me that the Team Mueller Report is rich in detail.
    Yeah probably but there's not going to be anything that can hurt Trump from a legal standpoint. I'm sure there will be stuff in the report that makes Trump look like a shady asshole (of course), but nothing more. That's why I don't get why people are suggesting that Barr is withholding anything significant. He had to know that the report would eventually be made public, so to lie in his summary would only hurt him. 

    Here's a question: if Mueller couldn't reach a conclusion on whether Trump colluded with Russia, isn't that the same as finding no evidence of collusion? "Not reaching a conclusion" is tantamount to there not being enough evidence in a murder trial. That's how OJ and Casey Anthony got off. For Mueller to say that he couldn't reach a conclusion, but also say that he won't exonerate Trump, would be like Judge Ito saying "Well the jury says not guilty so OJ is free to go, but you know as well as I do that he did it." 

    Sorry that Mueller let ya down so badly because I know you were among his biggest cheerleaders (you gave Rachel Maddow a run for her money). 
    It ain't over yet. Team Mueller punted and as of yet, we're not sure why. Was it because DOJ policy is not to indict a sitting POTUS? Was he directed by Barr to wrap it up? Or was there not enough evidence to convict in a court, thus punting to the House for impeachment, where the bar is lower? Again, all we have is a four page summary by a biased political appointee running a coverup. Rosenstein routinely charged defendants with obstruction despite not charging them with an underlying crime. Barr has successfully manuevered this from the legal realm to the political. I look forward to the house investigation and testimony on the hill. You can't say for certain whether Mueller let me down unless you've read the full report. And, there are still ongoing intelligence investigations, of which we know very little. This isn't over by a long shot.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/01/opinion/mueller-report-trump.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    When the full scope of the president’s misconduct has been revealed, when his lies are debunked and his abuses have been laid bare, I believe that members of Congress on both sides of the aisle will draft legislation to curb the worst of his offenses. Put another way: If President Trump’s behavior wasn’t criminal, then perhaps it should have been.

    Impeachment is never going to happen no matter what the report says unless the Dems can flip the Senate and have enough votes. The house won't impeach him if the Senate can't get a conviction, per Pelosi. 

    Good point from the NY Times piece you linked, I wouldn't be surprised if there were act committed that aren't criminal, but should be. 

    And on the subject of Barr's summary, are you going to read the entire Mueller Report when it's released? The ENTIRE thing? Or are you going to read a summary from someone you trust more than Barr? 

    Reading the report is essential to understanding what the Trump campaign did. I do agree impeachment of Trump is highly unlikely, but if Barr redacts portions of the report from Congress, Impeaching the AG should be put on the table.

    Barr would not be removed from office, but it's easier to push hard on Barr than it is on Trump, because Barr doesn't have 40% of the country blindly loyal to him. Cementing his legacy as a blind Trump protector would be punishment enough, if warranted.

    Considering the 2018 memo Barr wrote to audition for this job, and the one sided treatment of this investigation, if anything significant is in Mueller's report that was omitted by Barr's letter, the house should go after Barr with the full force of the Constitution. 

  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,916
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    My gut tells me that the Team Mueller Report is rich in detail.
    Yeah probably but there's not going to be anything that can hurt Trump from a legal standpoint. I'm sure there will be stuff in the report that makes Trump look like a shady asshole (of course), but nothing more. That's why I don't get why people are suggesting that Barr is withholding anything significant. He had to know that the report would eventually be made public, so to lie in his summary would only hurt him. 

    Here's a question: if Mueller couldn't reach a conclusion on whether Trump colluded with Russia, isn't that the same as finding no evidence of collusion? "Not reaching a conclusion" is tantamount to there not being enough evidence in a murder trial. That's how OJ and Casey Anthony got off. For Mueller to say that he couldn't reach a conclusion, but also say that he won't exonerate Trump, would be like Judge Ito saying "Well the jury says not guilty so OJ is free to go, but you know as well as I do that he did it." 

    Sorry that Mueller let ya down so badly because I know you were among his biggest cheerleaders (you gave Rachel Maddow a run for her money). 
    It ain't over yet. Team Mueller punted and as of yet, we're not sure why. Was it because DOJ policy is not to indict a sitting POTUS? Was he directed by Barr to wrap it up? Or was there not enough evidence to convict in a court, thus punting to the House for impeachment, where the bar is lower? Again, all we have is a four page summary by a biased political appointee running a coverup. Rosenstein routinely charged defendants with obstruction despite not charging them with an underlying crime. Barr has successfully manuevered this from the legal realm to the political. I look forward to the house investigation and testimony on the hill. You can't say for certain whether Mueller let me down unless you've read the full report. And, there are still ongoing intelligence investigations, of which we know very little. This isn't over by a long shot.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/01/opinion/mueller-report-trump.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    When the full scope of the president’s misconduct has been revealed, when his lies are debunked and his abuses have been laid bare, I believe that members of Congress on both sides of the aisle will draft legislation to curb the worst of his offenses. Put another way: If President Trump’s behavior wasn’t criminal, then perhaps it should have been.

    Impeachment is never going to happen no matter what the report says unless the Dems can flip the Senate and have enough votes. The house won't impeach him if the Senate can't get a conviction, per Pelosi. 

    Good point from the NY Times piece you linked, I wouldn't be surprised if there were act committed that aren't criminal, but should be. 

    And on the subject of Barr's summary, are you going to read the entire Mueller Report when it's released? The ENTIRE thing? Or are you going to read a summary from someone you trust more than Barr? 

    Reading the report is essential to understanding what the Trump campaign did. I do agree impeachment of Trump is highly unlikely, but if Barr redacts portions of the report from Congress, Impeaching the AG should be put on the table.

    Barr would not be removed from office, but it's easier to push hard on Barr than it is on Trump, because Barr doesn't have 40% of the country blindly loyal to him. Cementing his legacy as a blind Trump protector would be punishment enough, if warranted.

    Considering the 2018 memo Barr wrote to audition for this job, and the one sided treatment of this investigation, if anything significant is in Mueller's report that was omitted by Barr's letter, the house should go after Barr with the full force of the Constitution. 

  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,642
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    My gut tells me that the Team Mueller Report is rich in detail.
    Yeah probably but there's not going to be anything that can hurt Trump from a legal standpoint. I'm sure there will be stuff in the report that makes Trump look like a shady asshole (of course), but nothing more. That's why I don't get why people are suggesting that Barr is withholding anything significant. He had to know that the report would eventually be made public, so to lie in his summary would only hurt him. 

    Here's a question: if Mueller couldn't reach a conclusion on whether Trump colluded with Russia, isn't that the same as finding no evidence of collusion? "Not reaching a conclusion" is tantamount to there not being enough evidence in a murder trial. That's how OJ and Casey Anthony got off. For Mueller to say that he couldn't reach a conclusion, but also say that he won't exonerate Trump, would be like Judge Ito saying "Well the jury says not guilty so OJ is free to go, but you know as well as I do that he did it." 

    Sorry that Mueller let ya down so badly because I know you were among his biggest cheerleaders (you gave Rachel Maddow a run for her money). 
    lol you post all good points and then you ended with a snarky remark listen to me closely the Baffoon got away this time , don’t wave your checkered flag just yet he won round 1 of a fifteen round fight !
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
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    josevolution said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    My gut tells me that the Team Mueller Report is rich in detail.
    Yeah probably but there's not going to be anything that can hurt Trump from a legal standpoint. I'm sure there will be stuff in the report that makes Trump look like a shady asshole (of course), but nothing more. That's why I don't get why people are suggesting that Barr is withholding anything significant. He had to know that the report would eventually be made public, so to lie in his summary would only hurt him. 

    Here's a question: if Mueller couldn't reach a conclusion on whether Trump colluded with Russia, isn't that the same as finding no evidence of collusion? "Not reaching a conclusion" is tantamount to there not being enough evidence in a murder trial. That's how OJ and Casey Anthony got off. For Mueller to say that he couldn't reach a conclusion, but also say that he won't exonerate Trump, would be like Judge Ito saying "Well the jury says not guilty so OJ is free to go, but you know as well as I do that he did it." 

    Sorry that Mueller let ya down so badly because I know you were among his biggest cheerleaders (you gave Rachel Maddow a run for her money). 
    lol you post all good points and then you ended with a snarky remark listen to me closely the Baffoon got away this time , don’t wave your checkered flag just yet he won round 1 of a fifteen round fight !
    Nothing’s going to happen to your baffoon. And look, I’m on your side. I’d be more than happy seeing Trump dragged out of the White House in handcuffs. But nothing of the sort is going to happen. Mueller won’t indict as we know. The Dems don’t have enough votes in the Senate to get an impeachment conviction. So what else is there? More indictments for his cronies? Who cares about them? Bad press that could hurt him in the 2020 election? Every day he gets bad press. Accept the reality that the only way to get rid of him is to beat him in 2020, or maybe impeach if the Dems could get control of the Senate in 2020 or 2022.
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  • my2hands
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    Buffoon
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Is going to make a cutting figure as he testifies before the house oversight committee.
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  • josevolution
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    Buffoon
    Doesn’t matter how it’s spelled it describes him perfectly ! 
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Barr said Mueller report would be available within a week 6 days ago.  Clocks ticking mf, let's see it!
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Imagine that...a government employee might miss a deadline, pretty shocking...I bet that rarely happens in government ... 
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  • CM189191
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    Meltdown99 said:
    Imagine that...a government employee might miss a deadline, pretty shocking...I bet that rarely happens in government ... 
    except this deadline was self-imposed, under oath, while testifying to congress
  • dignin
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    CM189191 said:
    Barr said Mueller report would be available within a week 6 days ago.  Clocks ticking mf, let's see it!
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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,961
    I expect a whitewash in the on-going cover-up and hope I'm proved wrong. 
    Have a great week, everyone.

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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Kat said:
    I expect a whitewash in the on-going cover-up and hope I'm proved wrong. 
    Have a great week, everyone.

    There is little doubt.
  • CM189191
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    How for the best and prepare for the worse


  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,961
    dignin said:
    Kat said:
    I expect a whitewash in the on-going cover-up and hope I'm proved wrong. 
    Have a great week, everyone.

    There is little doubt.
    It'll be the Barr report of the Mueller report. I still think I'm in Bizarro World. 

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  • CM189191
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    Kat said:
    dignin said:
    Kat said:
    I expect a whitewash in the on-going cover-up and hope I'm proved wrong. 
    Have a great week, everyone.

    There is little doubt.
    It'll be the Barr report of the Mueller report. I still think I'm in Bizarro World. 


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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    CM189191 said:
    Kat said:
    dignin said:
    Kat said:
    I expect a whitewash in the on-going cover-up and hope I'm proved wrong. 
    Have a great week, everyone.

    There is little doubt.
    It'll be the Barr report of the Mueller report. I still think I'm in Bizarro World. 


    Did he say that? I thought he said he was working with Mueller. I doubt he's just letting Mueller do the redactions by himself, if so why not just release the initial Mueller overviews? All seems pretty redundant.
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    dignin said:
    CM189191 said:
    Kat said:
    dignin said:
    Kat said:
    I expect a whitewash in the on-going cover-up and hope I'm proved wrong. 
    Have a great week, everyone.

    There is little doubt.
    It'll be the Barr report of the Mueller report. I still think I'm in Bizarro World. 


    Did he say that? I thought he said he was working with Mueller. I doubt he's just letting Mueller do the redactions by himself, if so why not just release the initial Mueller overviews? All seems pretty redundant.
    I was under the impression the various Mueller overviews were geared towards specific audiences.  

    Congress needs to be aware of this, the Treasury should look here, the FBI should investigate that, and so on...

    Barr referred to the report as self redacting.  As in the report (ie Mueller) have specific instructions as to what needs to be redacted, and they were assisting in that process.


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