Team Mueller (and Their Report)

brianlux said:

Wait a minute... WTF?  The report isn't even in yet and some here are implying that the thing is bust and that it's quiet round here because it didn't reveal what many are hoping it will?  Jumping the gun a bit guys? 

This fucking place...   

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

My gut tells me that the Team Mueller Report is rich in detail.

Yeah probably but there's not going to be anything that can hurt Trump from a legal standpoint. I'm sure there will be stuff in the report that makes Trump look like a shady asshole (of course), but nothing more. That's why I don't get why people are suggesting that Barr is withholding anything significant. He had to know that the report would eventually be made public, so to lie in his summary would only hurt him. 

Here's a question: if Mueller couldn't reach a conclusion on whether Trump colluded with Russia, isn't that the same as finding no evidence of collusion? "Not reaching a conclusion" is tantamount to there not being enough evidence in a murder trial. That's how OJ and Casey Anthony got off. For Mueller to say that he couldn't reach a conclusion, but also say that he won't exonerate Trump, would be like Judge Ito saying "Well the jury says not guilty so OJ is free to go, but you know as well as I do that he did it." 

Sorry that Mueller let ya down so badly because I know you were among his biggest cheerleaders (you gave Rachel Maddow a run for her money). 

It ain't over yet. Team Mueller punted and as of yet, we're not sure why. Was it because DOJ policy is not to indict a sitting POTUS? Was he directed by Barr to wrap it up? Or was there not enough evidence to convict in a court, thus punting to the House for impeachment, where the bar is lower? Again, all we have is a four page summary by a biased political appointee running a coverup. Rosenstein routinely charged defendants with obstruction despite not charging them with an underlying crime. Barr has successfully manuevered this from the legal realm to the political. I look forward to the house investigation and testimony on the hill. You can't say for certain whether Mueller let me down unless you've read the full report. And, there are still ongoing intelligence investigations, of which we know very little. This isn't over by a long shot.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/01/opinion/mueller-report-trump.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

When the full scope of the president’s misconduct has been revealed, when his lies are debunked and his abuses have been laid bare, I believe that members of Congress on both sides of the aisle will draft legislation to curb the worst of his offenses. Put another way: If President Trump’s behavior wasn’t criminal, then perhaps it should have been.

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

My gut tells me that the Team Mueller Report is rich in detail.

Yeah probably but there's not going to be anything that can hurt Trump from a legal standpoint. I'm sure there will be stuff in the report that makes Trump look like a shady asshole (of course), but nothing more. That's why I don't get why people are suggesting that Barr is withholding anything significant. He had to know that the report would eventually be made public, so to lie in his summary would only hurt him. 

Here's a question: if Mueller couldn't reach a conclusion on whether Trump colluded with Russia, isn't that the same as finding no evidence of collusion? "Not reaching a conclusion" is tantamount to there not being enough evidence in a murder trial. That's how OJ and Casey Anthony got off. For Mueller to say that he couldn't reach a conclusion, but also say that he won't exonerate Trump, would be like Judge Ito saying "Well the jury says not guilty so OJ is free to go, but you know as well as I do that he did it." 

Sorry that Mueller let ya down so badly because I know you were among his biggest cheerleaders (you gave Rachel Maddow a run for her money). 

It ain't over yet. Team Mueller punted and as of yet, we're not sure why. Was it because DOJ policy is not to indict a sitting POTUS? Was he directed by Barr to wrap it up? Or was there not enough evidence to convict in a court, thus punting to the House for impeachment, where the bar is lower? Again, all we have is a four page summary by a biased political appointee running a coverup. Rosenstein routinely charged defendants with obstruction despite not charging them with an underlying crime. Barr has successfully manuevered this from the legal realm to the political. I look forward to the house investigation and testimony on the hill. You can't say for certain whether Mueller let me down unless you've read the full report. And, there are still ongoing intelligence investigations, of which we know very little. This isn't over by a long shot.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/01/opinion/mueller-report-trump.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

When the full scope of the president’s misconduct has been revealed, when his lies are debunked and his abuses have been laid bare, I believe that members of Congress on both sides of the aisle will draft legislation to curb the worst of his offenses. Put another way: If President Trump’s behavior wasn’t criminal, then perhaps it should have been.

Impeachment is never going to happen no matter what the report says unless the Dems can flip the Senate and have enough votes. The house won't impeach him if the Senate can't get a conviction, per Pelosi. 

Good point from the NY Times piece you linked, I wouldn't be surprised if there were act committed that aren't criminal, but should be. 

And on the subject of Barr's summary, are you going to read the entire Mueller Report when it's released? The ENTIRE thing? Or are you going to read a summary from someone you trust more than Barr? 

I’ll read the whole thing like I did the Starr Report. Do you think I haven’t read the source documents that I’ve linked to and rely, instead, on summaries or news reporting of the same? For the record, MSNBC is not part of my cable package.

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

My gut tells me that the Team Mueller Report is rich in detail.

Yeah probably but there's not going to be anything that can hurt Trump from a legal standpoint. I'm sure there will be stuff in the report that makes Trump look like a shady asshole (of course), but nothing more. That's why I don't get why people are suggesting that Barr is withholding anything significant. He had to know that the report would eventually be made public, so to lie in his summary would only hurt him. 

Here's a question: if Mueller couldn't reach a conclusion on whether Trump colluded with Russia, isn't that the same as finding no evidence of collusion? "Not reaching a conclusion" is tantamount to there not being enough evidence in a murder trial. That's how OJ and Casey Anthony got off. For Mueller to say that he couldn't reach a conclusion, but also say that he won't exonerate Trump, would be like Judge Ito saying "Well the jury says not guilty so OJ is free to go, but you know as well as I do that he did it." 

Sorry that Mueller let ya down so badly because I know you were among his biggest cheerleaders (you gave Rachel Maddow a run for her money). 

It ain't over yet. Team Mueller punted and as of yet, we're not sure why. Was it because DOJ policy is not to indict a sitting POTUS? Was he directed by Barr to wrap it up? Or was there not enough evidence to convict in a court, thus punting to the House for impeachment, where the bar is lower? Again, all we have is a four page summary by a biased political appointee running a coverup. Rosenstein routinely charged defendants with obstruction despite not charging them with an underlying crime. Barr has successfully manuevered this from the legal realm to the political. I look forward to the house investigation and testimony on the hill. You can't say for certain whether Mueller let me down unless you've read the full report. And, there are still ongoing intelligence investigations, of which we know very little. This isn't over by a long shot.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/01/opinion/mueller-report-trump.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

When the full scope of the president’s misconduct has been revealed, when his lies are debunked and his abuses have been laid bare, I believe that members of Congress on both sides of the aisle will draft legislation to curb the worst of his offenses. Put another way: If President Trump’s behavior wasn’t criminal, then perhaps it should have been.

Impeachment is never going to happen no matter what the report says unless the Dems can flip the Senate and have enough votes. The house won't impeach him if the Senate can't get a conviction, per Pelosi. 

Good point from the NY Times piece you linked, I wouldn't be surprised if there were act committed that aren't criminal, but should be. 

And on the subject of Barr's summary, are you going to read the entire Mueller Report when it's released? The ENTIRE thing? Or are you going to read a summary from someone you trust more than Barr? 

I’ll read the whole thing like I did the Starr Report. Do you think I haven’t read the source documents that I’ve linked to and rely, instead, on summaries or news reporting of the same? For the record, MSNBC is not part of my cable package.

No I'm not trying to imply that you do or you don't. And frankly, of anybody I've seen talk about the Mueller report either on TV, on this board, or in person, I'd peg you as the most likely to read the entire thing. But I don't think that's going to be too common-place. I think a great deal of people, whether they're pro-Trump, anti-Trump, or indifferent, will rely on some sort of summary, be it in print, on something like Wikipedia, or from a cable news talking-head. 

And thats a shame. I still have a paperback version of The Pentagon Papers on my shelf. Theres a whole lot of insight in there.