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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    So - Tucker hasn't apologized for any of his comments right?

    Now - this occurred on a show that is literally meant to shock.  I'm not surprised by the words on that type of show.  And many times it's for a laugh...not sure how it was portrayed on the show etc.

    But to not come out and apologize.  That says he thinks nothing is wrong at all.  And while it may not be as big a deal as the Outrage Machine is trying to make it...it seems to me that you should address it and own what you said, provide context and I'm sure even apologize for some if not all of it.   He's not doing any of that...so it appears like he is standing behind his words completely, meaning it's still how he thinks.  And that is a big problem.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,028
    cincybearcat said:
    So - Tucker hasn't apologized for any of his comments right?

    Now - this occurred on a show that is literally meant to shock.  I'm not surprised by the words on that type of show.  And many times it's for a laugh...not sure how it was portrayed on the show etc.

    But to not come out and apologize.  That says he thinks nothing is wrong at all.  And while it may not be as big a deal as the Outrage Machine is trying to make it...it seems to me that you should address it and own what you said, provide context and I'm sure even apologize for some if not all of it.   He's not doing any of that...so it appears like he is standing behind his words completely, meaning it's still how he thinks.  And that is a big problem.
    yes, I watched his retort, and he stated nothing about his position on the matters (except to say he said something "naughty"), just how he and fox won't bend to "the mob". 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Does it sound like he’s apologizing? Faux outrage indeed.

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  • mrussel1
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Does it sound like he’s apologizing? Faux outrage indeed.

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    His defense is indefensible.  The least he could have said was, "I said dumb things, I was on poor man's Howard Stern, so I played along.  These weren't serious statements".  But he never addressed the idiocy of his words.  
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Does it sound like he’s apologizing? Faux outrage indeed.

    https://apple.news/ACc2QqXaUS8G0oIIzv_GoRA
    I clicked on that link without realizing it would take me to Fox. Now I’m disappointed that I gave them another page view. Thanks, Halifax. 
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  • dignin
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    Overblown internet outrage is really an issue, especially the degree to which legitimate news covers it. 

    But Tucker Carlson isn't the person to take the stand for. He deserves nobody's defense. There are many better examples in the past few years.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    dignin said:
    Overblown internet outrage is really an issue, especially the degree to which legitimate news covers it. 

    But Tucker Carlson isn't the person to take the stand for. He deserves nobody's defense. There are many better examples in the past few years.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    dignin said:
    Overblown internet outrage is really an issue, especially the degree to which legitimate news covers it. 

    But Tucker Carlson isn't the person to take the stand for. He deserves nobody's defense. There are many better examples in the past few years.
    But... and I think it was French's article that said this, can't recall... we can't just defend people who we agree with politically.  You can's say Kevin Hart is okay because his body of work we like, but this person is a conservative so let's paint him with the brush.  That's where the hypocrisy comes into play.  
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    Overblown internet outrage is really an issue, especially the degree to which legitimate news covers it. 

    But Tucker Carlson isn't the person to take the stand for. He deserves nobody's defense. There are many better examples in the past few years.
    But... and I think it was French's article that said this, can't recall... we can't just defend people who we agree with politically.  You can's say Kevin Hart is okay because his body of work we like, but this person is a conservative so let's paint him with the brush.  That's where the hypocrisy comes into play.  
    Has French brought this up before? Or only for Tucker? Because this has been happening for years.

    And I think Hart deserved the criticism, and like Tucker, offered no real apology.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    But I must admit, I'm biased against Hart. I don't think he's funny.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    Overblown internet outrage is really an issue, especially the degree to which legitimate news covers it. 

    But Tucker Carlson isn't the person to take the stand for. He deserves nobody's defense. There are many better examples in the past few years.
    But... and I think it was French's article that said this, can't recall... we can't just defend people who we agree with politically.  You can's say Kevin Hart is okay because his body of work we like, but this person is a conservative so let's paint him with the brush.  That's where the hypocrisy comes into play.  
    Has French brought this up before? Or only for Tucker? Because this has been happening for years.

    And I think Hart deserved the criticism, and like Tucker, offered no real apology.
    I agree, with both of your points. I didn’t defend Hart’s comments, and actually I have no idea where he stands politically anyway. 
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  • mrussel1
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    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    Overblown internet outrage is really an issue, especially the degree to which legitimate news covers it. 

    But Tucker Carlson isn't the person to take the stand for. He deserves nobody's defense. There are many better examples in the past few years.
    But... and I think it was French's article that said this, can't recall... we can't just defend people who we agree with politically.  You can's say Kevin Hart is okay because his body of work we like, but this person is a conservative so let's paint him with the brush.  That's where the hypocrisy comes into play.  
    Has French brought this up before? Or only for Tucker? Because this has been happening for years.

    And I think Hart deserved the criticism, and like Tucker, offered no real apology.
    I was just using him as an example, but I know what you mean.  I mean hell, Seth McFarland has had some Family Guy episodes that would not go over very well if they came out today.  As far as French, I believe he has written about similar things before.  He's very intellectually consistent, no matter if you agree with him or not.  He does not reflexively defend or condemn people based on political affiliation.  I only agree with him 10% of the time, but I respect him.  
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,142
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    Overblown internet outrage is really an issue, especially the degree to which legitimate news covers it. 

    But Tucker Carlson isn't the person to take the stand for. He deserves nobody's defense. There are many better examples in the past few years.
    But... and I think it was French's article that said this, can't recall... we can't just defend people who we agree with politically.  You can's say Kevin Hart is okay because his body of work we like, but this person is a conservative so let's paint him with the brush.  That's where the hypocrisy comes into play.  
    When the right cleans up their own house, I’ll get on board with holding dems/libs accountable. Until then, I’ll laugh at Family Guy episodes  and Pete Davidson skits.

    But I’m also starting to see a campaign theme emerge here, we repubs are calling for civility, those evil dems and libs won’t hold their own to account and want to eliminate free speech. Sorry, but the repub faux outrage machine has been in high gear since 1992 with Clinton’s “Come Back Kid” surprise win.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    Overblown internet outrage is really an issue, especially the degree to which legitimate news covers it. 

    But Tucker Carlson isn't the person to take the stand for. He deserves nobody's defense. There are many better examples in the past few years.
    But... and I think it was French's article that said this, can't recall... we can't just defend people who we agree with politically.  You can's say Kevin Hart is okay because his body of work we like, but this person is a conservative so let's paint him with the brush.  That's where the hypocrisy comes into play.  
    When the right cleans up their own house, I’ll get on board with holding dems/libs accountable. Until then, I’ll laugh at Family Guy episodes  and Pete Davidson skits.

    But I’m also starting to see a campaign theme emerge here, we repubs are calling for civility, those evil dems and libs won’t hold their own to account and want to eliminate free speech. Sorry, but the repub faux outrage machine has been in high gear since 1992 with Clinton’s “Come Back Kid” surprise win.
    I think you can hold EVERYONE accountable for their actions/words regardless of political affiliation. 

    I simply cannot understand how not ONE of the press corps called Sanders on her "ripping babies from their wombs" comments. All they wanted to know was if Trump thought dems were anti-semites. jesus. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    Overblown internet outrage is really an issue, especially the degree to which legitimate news covers it. 

    But Tucker Carlson isn't the person to take the stand for. He deserves nobody's defense. There are many better examples in the past few years.
    But... and I think it was French's article that said this, can't recall... we can't just defend people who we agree with politically.  You can's say Kevin Hart is okay because his body of work we like, but this person is a conservative so let's paint him with the brush.  That's where the hypocrisy comes into play.  
    When the right cleans up their own house, I’ll get on board with holding dems/libs accountable. Until then, I’ll laugh at Family Guy episodes  and Pete Davidson skits.

    But I’m also starting to see a campaign theme emerge here, we repubs are calling for civility, those evil dems and libs won’t hold their own to account and want to eliminate free speech. Sorry, but the repub faux outrage machine has been in high gear since 1992 with Clinton’s “Come Back Kid” surprise win.
    I think you can hold EVERYONE accountable for their actions/words regardless of political affiliation. 

    I simply cannot understand how not ONE of the press corps called Sanders on her "ripping babies from their wombs" comments. All they wanted to know was if Trump thought dems were anti-semites. jesus. 
    Agreed.  There are some Democrats and/or liberals that need to STFU.  And I'm not talking about Seth or Bill Maher.  Comedians get some creative license in my book, because once we stop laughing, we're really screwed.  But there are plenty of liberals who have said some dumb shit recently and my response is not for the Republicans to clean their house up firsst. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,142
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    Overblown internet outrage is really an issue, especially the degree to which legitimate news covers it. 

    But Tucker Carlson isn't the person to take the stand for. He deserves nobody's defense. There are many better examples in the past few years.
    But... and I think it was French's article that said this, can't recall... we can't just defend people who we agree with politically.  You can's say Kevin Hart is okay because his body of work we like, but this person is a conservative so let's paint him with the brush.  That's where the hypocrisy comes into play.  
    When the right cleans up their own house, I’ll get on board with holding dems/libs accountable. Until then, I’ll laugh at Family Guy episodes  and Pete Davidson skits.

    But I’m also starting to see a campaign theme emerge here, we repubs are calling for civility, those evil dems and libs won’t hold their own to account and want to eliminate free speech. Sorry, but the repub faux outrage machine has been in high gear since 1992 with Clinton’s “Come Back Kid” surprise win.
    I think you can hold EVERYONE accountable for their actions/words regardless of political affiliation. 

    I simply cannot understand how not ONE of the press corps called Sanders on her "ripping babies from their wombs" comments. All they wanted to know was if Trump thought dems were anti-semites. jesus. 
    You (you in the general sense) can but you can also hold your own accountable and lead by example. If you want others to take the high road, you first must take the high road. But we know the repubs will never do that. Faux News' business model proves that point (read the New Yorker article).
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  • mrussel1
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    Overblown internet outrage is really an issue, especially the degree to which legitimate news covers it. 

    But Tucker Carlson isn't the person to take the stand for. He deserves nobody's defense. There are many better examples in the past few years.
    But... and I think it was French's article that said this, can't recall... we can't just defend people who we agree with politically.  You can's say Kevin Hart is okay because his body of work we like, but this person is a conservative so let's paint him with the brush.  That's where the hypocrisy comes into play.  
    When the right cleans up their own house, I’ll get on board with holding dems/libs accountable. Until then, I’ll laugh at Family Guy episodes  and Pete Davidson skits.

    But I’m also starting to see a campaign theme emerge here, we repubs are calling for civility, those evil dems and libs won’t hold their own to account and want to eliminate free speech. Sorry, but the repub faux outrage machine has been in high gear since 1992 with Clinton’s “Come Back Kid” surprise win.
    I think you can hold EVERYONE accountable for their actions/words regardless of political affiliation. 

    I simply cannot understand how not ONE of the press corps called Sanders on her "ripping babies from their wombs" comments. All they wanted to know was if Trump thought dems were anti-semites. jesus. 
    You (you in the general sense) can but you can also hold your own accountable and lead by example. If you want others to take the high road, you first must take the high road. But we know the repubs will never do that. Faux News' business model proves that point (read the New Yorker article).
    Then we should hold accountable the people on "our team" so that we can maintain a shred of integrity.  
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    LOL.  
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,142
    mrussel1 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    Overblown internet outrage is really an issue, especially the degree to which legitimate news covers it. 

    But Tucker Carlson isn't the person to take the stand for. He deserves nobody's defense. There are many better examples in the past few years.
    But... and I think it was French's article that said this, can't recall... we can't just defend people who we agree with politically.  You can's say Kevin Hart is okay because his body of work we like, but this person is a conservative so let's paint him with the brush.  That's where the hypocrisy comes into play.  
    When the right cleans up their own house, I’ll get on board with holding dems/libs accountable. Until then, I’ll laugh at Family Guy episodes  and Pete Davidson skits.

    But I’m also starting to see a campaign theme emerge here, we repubs are calling for civility, those evil dems and libs won’t hold their own to account and want to eliminate free speech. Sorry, but the repub faux outrage machine has been in high gear since 1992 with Clinton’s “Come Back Kid” surprise win.
    I think you can hold EVERYONE accountable for their actions/words regardless of political affiliation. 

    I simply cannot understand how not ONE of the press corps called Sanders on her "ripping babies from their wombs" comments. All they wanted to know was if Trump thought dems were anti-semites. jesus. 
    You (you in the general sense) can but you can also hold your own accountable and lead by example. If you want others to take the high road, you first must take the high road. But we know the repubs will never do that. Faux News' business model proves that point (read the New Yorker article).
    Then we should hold accountable the people on "our team" so that we can maintain a shred of integrity.  
    I think “our side” is held to a much higher standard and the bulk of the slights or faux outrage fodder is Hollywood or comedic production and not sold in an echo chamber of a threat to our freedoms. If Tucker Carlson won’t apologize or be punished by Faux News, maybe Al Fraken should be re-instated?
     
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