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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,651
    PJPOWER said:
    In that respect, there is a long history of trials being overturned due to false witness testimony as well.

    Sure are, but in my example, Dean came out with his reputation improved, unlike Nixon.
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited February 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    Sure are, but in my example, Dean came out with his reputation improved, unlike Nixon.
    But I wonder...could reputation also be a motive for lying?  If you want to trust Cohen, that is your prerogative, but I remain skeptical of anything that comes out of his mouth, just like with Trump.  
    If he provides insurmountable physical evidence, then that is what is important...not his verbal testimony or “recollection”.

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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    PJPOWER said:
    But I wonder...could reputation also be a motive for lying?  If you want to trust Cohen, that is your prerogative, but I remain skeptical of anything that comes out of his mouth, just like with Trump.  

    I would find Trump more believable if he was under oath with possible jail time hanging over his head.
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited February 2019
    dignin said:
    I would find Trump more believable if he was under oath with possible jail time hanging over his head.
    Well, Cohen was a lawyer and knew of the consequences...yet still lied to Congress under oath and is on his way to prison, so that’s out the window.

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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 31,048
    PJPOWER said:
    Where did I say I believed Trump over Cohen, stop making shit up for the love of God!  Essentially, I’m saying that I want the truth to come out, but Cohen lacks the credibility to do so due to his past crimes.  He is a shitty witness based on his track record.  If Trump gets up and lies under oath in front of congress on numerous occasions, would you choose him as an credible expert witness in any form or fashion?  You don’t have to believe everything Trump says to be skeptical of a known liar’s statements.  Again, how are you 100% certain Cohen has no reason to lie...it is politics after all.

    Soooooo......I got JAIL time for lying once, so I’m gonna do it some more.

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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited February 2019
    Wobbie said:
    Soooooo......I got JAIL time for lying once, so I’m gonna do it some more.

    gotcha.
    Know any pathological liars?  I met some when I was a counselor, and they would never cease to tell a lie even if it wasn’t in their best interest.
    I’m just going to suddenly start believing people that have a history of lying...Gotcha...

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  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    edited February 2019
    I thought I read somewhere they just pissed on the bed that Michelle and Barack slept in. Maybe there was no peeing on anybody. Maybe it was a total piss orgy. Who knows?
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,423
    edited February 2019
    PJPOWER said:
    Know any pathological liars?  I met some when I was a counselor, and they would never cease to tell a lie even if it wasn’t in their best interest.
    I’m just going to suddenly start believing people that have a history of lying...Gotcha...

    I don't believe we have any reason whatsoever to think Cohen is a pathological liar though. At all. All of his lies have been very specifically motivated. I can't think of a single lie he's been known to tell where it was for no reason at all, just a lie for the sake of lying. That isn't his pattern. Trump, on the other hand, certainly qualifies.
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,416
    PJPOWER said:
    Well, Cohen was a lawyer and knew of the consequences...yet still lied to Congress under oath and is on his way to prison, so that’s out the window.



    Cohen probably thought it best to maintain his loyalty because Trump would of course pardon his personal lawyer for falling on his sword to protect him.

    That ended the second Cohen's office was raided and rumors started swirling Cohen had everything recorded.
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Hi! said:
    I thought I read somewhere they just pissed on the bed that Michelle and Barack slept in. Maybe there was no peeing on anybody. Maybe it was a total piss orgy. Who knows?
    Obviously not Cohen, lol.  Assuming he was telling the truth...being the trustworthy fella that he is and all.
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 31,048
    I love the trumpers attacking “liars.”

    uh? sarah, kellyanne, trump, rudy, etc, etc, etc, fucking etc.
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    Hi! said:
    I thought I read somewhere they just pissed on the bed that Michelle and Barack slept in. Maybe there was no peeing on anybody. Maybe it was a total piss orgy. Who knows?
    yes, just on the bed. that's all the dossier said. 
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 31,048

    no time for nickle dime stuff. he’s bringing world peace :murica::triumph:
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  • I like that if Cohen is to be believed or that his allegations can be corroborated and confirmed with evidence, that Team Trump Treason is looking at five felonies. Team Mueller may already know but at the least, the house oversight committee should call Donny Jr. and the administrative assistant who operates the squawk box to testify, you know, to clear things up. I can’t wait to see how the repubs treat Donny Jr.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,651
    He doesn't want to be embarrassed by Cohen questions.  That's rational. I wouldn't either.  But I also would not have a lawyer that lied for me professionally, so hopefully not in such a position. 
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,510
    mrussel1 said:
    He doesn't want to be embarrassed by Cohen questions.  That's rational. I wouldn't either.  But I also would not have a lawyer that lied for me professionally, so hopefully not in such a position. 
    Yeah.  I think the main thing he's hiding is himself from the Enemy of the People.

    I'd say today was pretty much a nothing burger.  Trump's a racist?  A con artist? A philanderer?  No shit.  Everything else, well, Cohan's a known liar.  Doesn't really matter whether what he says is true.  Even the most anti-Trumper has to agree that this clown is not a good witness.  

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    Falling down,...not staying down
  • mrussel1 said:
    He doesn't want to be embarrassed by Cohen questions.  That's rational. I wouldn't either.  But I also would not have a lawyer that lied for me professionally, so hopefully not in such a position. 
    I get that but, seeing how the repubs were outraged that the hearing was being held while Team Trump Treason is in Vietnam, his minions caused the first cancellation of the hearings and Team Trump Treason didn’t cancel his trip, doesn’t mean that news of a sitting POTUS committing potental felonies is not worthy of questions of "Individual 1," regardless of where he is or what he's doing.
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  • Calamari! Stugots! AOC getting potential future witnesses into the record. Heads will explode.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,651
    Calamari! Stugots! AOC getting potential future witnesses into the record. Heads will explode.
    Is she playing 3d chess?
  • mrussel1 said:
    Is she playing 3d chess?
    She's picking up the fruit from the poisonous tree while she plays 3D chess.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,209
    I kept waiting for the Honky Tonk Man to bash Cohen with a guitar over the head.  It probably could have happened. 
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    Jason P said:
    I kept waiting for the Honky Tonk Man to bash Cohen with a guitar over the head.  It probably could have happened. 
    In a close timeline that most certainly happened.
  • wndowpaynewndowpayne Posts: 1,469
    Enjoy the time Cohen..another dirty lawyer gets caught and decides to come clean..whatever..should have thought it through a bit earlier eh??
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 31,048
    OnWis97 said:
    Yeah.  I think the main thing he's hiding is himself from the Enemy of the People.

    I'd say today was pretty much a nothing burger.  Trump's a racist?  A con artist? A philanderer?  No shit.  Everything else, well, Cohan's a known liar.  Doesn't really matter whether what he says is true.  Even the most anti-Trumper has to agree that this clown is not a good witness.  

    Looking forward to the next "big day."

    he’s a good witness in that trump wanted him to lie. duh. boss-employee.

    get your head out of the sand.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,970
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    Lost in the Cohen hysteria is this piece of testimony which is, without any shadow of a doubt, 100% true.

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