Donald Trump

Halifax2TheMax

Got stuck in quote hell there, ARGH!

ikiT

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/man-19-accused-of-assaulting-81-year-old-over-maga-hat-1.4316302?cid=sm:trueanthem:ctvnews:post&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5c7806c51adf640001b92959&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0z2KY1myC06d_2mK2f4IRVY6l6vGF7TcQ_9E7H-M0a0kfeGb6g5ZzJ_lY


Man, 19, accused of assaulting 81-year-old over MAGA hat

This shit has to stop. 

It is unacceptable.

dignin

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

josevolution said:

cincybearcat said:

josevolution said:

I’m more afraid of him refusing to leave office and actually declaring Martial law and having to use military force to remove him or would he order the military to protect him from being removed ..

That's not going to happen.

Just like we thought he would never win the WH ? 

I think that it's pretty clear that one of those things is far more likely in any scenario than the other.

I would have bet Trump wasn't elected and I would have lost that bet.

But I'm still willing to bet Trump doesn't fail to step down, declare martial law and become a dictator should he lose. Wanna take that bet?  I really want a PJ Rome '18 poster and could use the $.

I still don't get why he would run again, or in the first place.  Everything Cohen said about his reasons to run to start made sense to me, that it was a way to increase his wealth and brand.  I was sure all he wanted to do was start a new media company.  I guess this is just about the old saying "poor man wants to be rich, rich man wants to be king".  

If he has charges waiting for him as soon as he steps down that would be a good reason to run again.

HughFreakingDillon

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

josevolution said:

cincybearcat said:

josevolution said:

I’m more afraid of him refusing to leave office and actually declaring Martial law and having to use military force to remove him or would he order the military to protect him from being removed ..

That's not going to happen.

Just like we thought he would never win the WH ? 

I think that it's pretty clear that one of those things is far more likely in any scenario than the other.

I would have bet Trump wasn't elected and I would have lost that bet.

But I'm still willing to bet Trump doesn't fail to step down, declare martial law and become a dictator should he lose. Wanna take that bet?  I really want a PJ Rome '18 poster and could use the $.

I still don't get why he would run again, or in the first place.  Everything Cohen said about his reasons to run to start made sense to me, that it was a way to increase his wealth and brand.  I was sure all he wanted to do was start a new media company.  I guess this is just about the old saying "poor man wants to be rich, rich man wants to be king".  

whether he actually wanted to win or not to begin with is irrelevant now. his ego won't let him step down. that's not what a narcissist does. anything less than 100% adulation from the media and the american people and the world at large is unacceptable to him. 

Meltdown99

Bentleyspop

Tiki said:

Otto Warmbier

Didn't happen
More fake news

Halifax2TheMax

@PJPOWER, I got stuck in quote hell so I cut and pasted your last response and am responding. I feel like I went into another dimension.

 

I don’t know where you get the idea that I believe certain things in his testimony over others, but it sure seems like you do.  If you put weight in his other statements as being truthful, then you must give credence in his statements that debunk the dossier  (never being in Prague and no knowledge of a Ptape).  I, for one, am skeptical of every statement he made because I think he has no credibility what so ever.  So, do you believe he was telling the truth throughout yesterday’s questioning or do you not?  If you are on the side of thinking he was telling the truth, does it raise skepticism of the dossier, or are you going to pick and choose based what you inherently believe in?  Is it possible that Trump did not smack Melanie around and that there is no Ptape?

 

My response: You doubt the existence of the PTape and Cohen claims he’s seen no evidence of it, is Cohen lying or is that to be believed? And if you think he was truthful about that, what about the rest of his testimony?

I think his testimony was truthful and so what if he hadn’t been to Prague? That doesn’t make the other allegations in the dossier false, many of which have been proven true. Cohen also mentioned his “suspicions” about Russian collusion but I expect Team Mueller and the dems on the senate intelligence committee to ferret that out. The CNN article you linked to previously stated that, “Team Trump Treason saw Cohen’s passport and he hadn’t been out of the country.” Manafort had, I think 9 passports and once in the EU, arriving say in Berlin, your passport wouldn’t document travel to Prague. That said, it doesn’t matter whether Cohen traveled to Prague, that doesn’t make all the other allegations in the Steele Dossier false.

mrussel1

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

josevolution said:

cincybearcat said:

josevolution said:

I’m more afraid of him refusing to leave office and actually declaring Martial law and having to use military force to remove him or would he order the military to protect him from being removed ..

That's not going to happen.

Just like we thought he would never win the WH ? 

I think that it's pretty clear that one of those things is far more likely in any scenario than the other.

I would have bet Trump wasn't elected and I would have lost that bet.

But I'm still willing to bet Trump doesn't fail to step down, declare martial law and become a dictator should he lose. Wanna take that bet?  I really want a PJ Rome '18 poster and could use the $.

I still don't get why he would run again, or in the first place.  Everything Cohen said about his reasons to run to start made sense to me, that it was a way to increase his wealth and brand.  I was sure all he wanted to do was start a new media company.  I guess this is just about the old saying "poor man wants to be rich, rich man wants to be king".  

whether he actually wanted to win or not to begin with is irrelevant now. his ego won't let him step down. that's not what a narcissist does. anything less than 100% adulation from the media and the american people and the world at large is unacceptable to him. 

Both you and digin are right here.  

Halifax2TheMax

OnWis97 said:

oftenreading said:

Gaetz is being investigated by the Florida Bar for the tweet regarding Cohen

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/matt-gaetz-florida-bar-investigation_n_5c76e6bce4b010e7c5637515

That tweet was a candidate for the 2019 Darwin Award: Social Media Category.  What a buffoon.

But here's what that tweet makes me wonder.  What is behind that level of devotion to Trump?  That's what makes this all unprecedented.  The Red vs. Blue is just so heightened now.

But this is a serious question.  What is behind that level of devotion to Trump?  And I'm not implying anything - I don't think Matt Gaetz is going down if Trump goes down nor that he was a part of Team Trump's Treason.  But he still shows a reckless level of devotion.  It's mind-blowing.

Part of the answer lies in the Steele Dossier, pages 11, Detail #1; Page 15, Detail #3; Page 17, Detail #3 but everything on those pages, just about, bears relevance. Then you have to compare to what we know now, whos been indicted, plead, etc., etc. For anyone who thinks the Steele Dossier is full of shit and its a Hillary hit piece, you really should read it and consider it in the context of everything we now know to date.

mrussel1

Tiki said:

Otto Warmbier

3 for 3... three dictators have damaged the US and/or its citizens.  Trump has taken all three at "their word".  MBS, Putin and now Kim.  Someone try to defend him on this.  Please.  

Halifax2TheMax

Just check the twitter feed from this official email from the White House. This is what Team trump Treason's White House allows on its "official" propaganda. Check the "Photos from Team Trump Treason's dinner" link below. Defend that.

An inside look at President Trump’s Hanoi summit

Twelve hours ahead of Eastern Standard Time in Hanoi, Vietnam, President Donald J. Trump is preparing now for his second day of talks with Chairman Kim Jong Un. The President’s first full day in Hanoi included both a one-on-one conversation and dinner with the North Korean leader.

“I think that your country has tremendous economic potential,” President Trump told Chairman Kim. If North Korea continues to choose engagement with the United States and honors its commitments to denuclearize, the future for its people can be bright. “I look forward to watching it happen,” President Trump said. “And we will help it to happen.”

• Watch President Trump greet Chairman Kim in Hanoi
   
• President Trump: “I think the biggest progress was our relationship”
   

Photos from the President’s dinner with Chairman Kim

PJPOWER

Halifax2TheMax said:

@PJPOWER, I got stuck in quote hell so I cut and pasted your last response and am responding. I feel like I went into another dimension.

 

I don’t know where you get the idea that I believe certain things in his testimony over others, but it sure seems like you do.  If you put weight in his other statements as being truthful, then you must give credence in his statements that debunk the dossier  (never being in Prague and no knowledge of a Ptape).  I, for one, am skeptical of every statement he made because I think he has no credibility what so ever.  So, do you believe he was telling the truth throughout yesterday’s questioning or do you not?  If you are on the side of thinking he was telling the truth, does it raise skepticism of the dossier, or are you going to pick and choose based what you inherently believe in?  Is it possible that Trump did not smack Melanie around and that there is no Ptape?

 

My response: You doubt the existence of the PTape and Cohen claims he’s seen no evidence of it, is Cohen lying or is that to be believed? And if you think he was truthful about that, what about the rest of his testimony?

I think his testimony was truthful and so what if he hadn’t been to Prague? That doesn’t make the other allegations in the dossier false, many of which have been proven true. Cohen also mentioned his “suspicions” about Russian collusion but I expect Team Mueller and the dems on the senate intelligence committee to ferret that out. The CNN article you linked to previously stated that, “Team Trump Treason saw Cohen’s passport and he hadn’t been out of the country.” Manafort had, I think 9 passports and once in the EU, arriving say in Berlin, your passport wouldn’t document travel to Prague. That said, it doesn’t matter whether Cohen traveled to Prague, that doesn’t make all the other allegations in the Steele Dossier false.

So either Cohen’s testimony is partially true (Cohen lied under oath again about Prague) or the dossier is partially true (Cohen was telling the truth about Prague).  Which one do you put more weight in?  Either way, we are not getting the full truth here.

my2hands

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said: ju

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

I don't understand how Trump supporters can use the "but Cohen is a proven liar" excuse to not believe Cohen, when the person they are using the excuse to defend is a proven pathological liar. What a complete absurdity.

I think they are all just liars trying to save face...as well as Trump and most other politicians.  I’m just saying that Cohen’s testimony is not going to get us to the truth behind the allegations against Trump because he has lied under oath on numerous occasions.  What is funny is people believing Cohen’s every word as long as it fits their rhetoric...but then make excuses when he says he knows nothing about a Ptape, lol.  I don’t know what Trump did or didn’t do, but Cohen’s testimony is at least worthy of skepticism.

I think people are inclined to believe at this point because, as others have pointed out, he no longer has any motivation whatsoever to lie during this testimony. At all. What is really funny is that those inclined not to believe him think it's more likely he's lying than telling the truth, because seriously, that just doesn't make any sense at all. But in any case, surely Cohen has yet more damning hard evidence against Trump? Remember he already handed over the tape where Trump is literally discussing paying off the porn star (it seems to me that many have decided to pretend that proof doesn't exist).

Other than more material for the numerous book and tv deals he has received...and who knows what else is being held over his head that was never made public. Wasn’t there just a case of a movie star lying about getting beaten against his own self interest?  Who knows why people lie, but Cohen has done it over and over under oath in the past...that is not speculation.  You are willing to disregard that because you are biased and want it to all bring Trump down...that is speculative though.

Trump has also done it over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Far more often than Cohen. So why would you be inclined to believe Trump over Cohen, especially when Cohen no longer has any motivation at all and Trump has the most powerful motivation one can imagine? That makes no sense.

Where did I say I believed Trump over Cohen, stop making shit up for the love of God!  Essentially, I’m saying that I want the truth to come out, but Cohen lacks the credibility to do so due to his past crimes.  He is a shitty witness based on his track record.  If Trump gets up and lies under oath in front of congress on numerous occasions, would you choose him as an credible expert witness in any form or fashion?  You don’t have to believe everything Trump says to be skeptical of a known liar’s statements.  Again, how are you 100% certain Cohen has no reason to lie...it is politics after all.

If you don't believe Cohen, doesn't that necessarily mean you believe Trump over Cohen??

No, it does not.  Thanks for playing though.  Trump could very well be guilty of all of the things alleged, but that doesn’t discount that people are innocent until PROVEN guilty. Cohen’s testimony is not proof.  He has zero credibility.

Wow, well then I think you need to start a petition against all witness testimony and all convictions ever connected to witness testimony in the history of the United States.

That doesn’t even make sense...does every witness lack credibility due them being found guilty of lying under oath in the past?  

No, but there's a long history of relying on witnesses with credibility issues both in judicial and congressional proceedings.  Hell, the "beginning of the end" for Nixon was when John Dean testified.  And he went straight to jail after that.  And he was an attorney.  

In that respect, there is a long history of trials being overturned due to false witness testimony as well.

Sure are, but in my example, Dean came out with his reputation improved, unlike Nixon.

But I wonder...could reputation also be a motive for lying?  If you want to trust Cohen, that is your prerogative, but I remain skeptical of anything that comes out of his mouth, just like with Trump.  
If he provides insurmountable physical evidence, then that is what is important...not his verbal testimony or “recollection”.

Are you skeptical that Team Trump Treason smacked Melania around in an elevator? Are you skeptical now that a PTape exists? Are you skeptical that Cohen saw no collusion or had direct knowledge of Team Trump Treason coordinating with Putin on the ritz? Are you skeptical that Cohen has never been to Prague?

Not really a good day for the trump is a russian stooge crowd

I don't understand.  The Mueller investigation was supposed to be off limits on the questioning.  That was reserved for the closed door Senate and House intelligence hearings.  Did something else happen?

according to the steel dossier Cohen attended a meeting in Prague as part of the fix.... he denied it yesterday... and he denied a few other things that were supposedly in the Steel dossier, which was supposed to the the smoking gun document that linked him with Russia as being compromised and therefor a stooge...  

Halifax2TheMax

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

@PJPOWER, I got stuck in quote hell so I cut and pasted your last response and am responding. I feel like I went into another dimension.

 

I don’t know where you get the idea that I believe certain things in his testimony over others, but it sure seems like you do.  If you put weight in his other statements as being truthful, then you must give credence in his statements that debunk the dossier  (never being in Prague and no knowledge of a Ptape).  I, for one, am skeptical of every statement he made because I think he has no credibility what so ever.  So, do you believe he was telling the truth throughout yesterday’s questioning or do you not?  If you are on the side of thinking he was telling the truth, does it raise skepticism of the dossier, or are you going to pick and choose based what you inherently believe in?  Is it possible that Trump did not smack Melanie around and that there is no Ptape?

 

My response: You doubt the existence of the PTape and Cohen claims he’s seen no evidence of it, is Cohen lying or is that to be believed? And if you think he was truthful about that, what about the rest of his testimony?

I think his testimony was truthful and so what if he hadn’t been to Prague? That doesn’t make the other allegations in the dossier false, many of which have been proven true. Cohen also mentioned his “suspicions” about Russian collusion but I expect Team Mueller and the dems on the senate intelligence committee to ferret that out. The CNN article you linked to previously stated that, “Team Trump Treason saw Cohen’s passport and he hadn’t been out of the country.” Manafort had, I think 9 passports and once in the EU, arriving say in Berlin, your passport wouldn’t document travel to Prague. That said, it doesn’t matter whether Cohen traveled to Prague, that doesn’t make all the other allegations in the Steele Dossier false.

So either Cohen’s testimony is partially true (Cohen lied under oath again about Prague) or the dossier is partially true (Cohen was telling the truth about Prague).  Which one do you put more weight in?  Either way, we are not getting the full truth here.

That's why we have the senate intelligence committee hearing today, Team Mueller and SDNY. Yesterday's hearing wasn't the be all, end all. But you never answered my question, was Cohen lying about the PTape or is his testimony to be believed? Regardless of his answer, it doesn't mean a PTape doesn't or can't exist.

mrussel1

my2hands said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said: ju

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

I don't understand how Trump supporters can use the "but Cohen is a proven liar" excuse to not believe Cohen, when the person they are using the excuse to defend is a proven pathological liar. What a complete absurdity.

I think they are all just liars trying to save face...as well as Trump and most other politicians.  I’m just saying that Cohen’s testimony is not going to get us to the truth behind the allegations against Trump because he has lied under oath on numerous occasions.  What is funny is people believing Cohen’s every word as long as it fits their rhetoric...but then make excuses when he says he knows nothing about a Ptape, lol.  I don’t know what Trump did or didn’t do, but Cohen’s testimony is at least worthy of skepticism.

I think people are inclined to believe at this point because, as others have pointed out, he no longer has any motivation whatsoever to lie during this testimony. At all. What is really funny is that those inclined not to believe him think it's more likely he's lying than telling the truth, because seriously, that just doesn't make any sense at all. But in any case, surely Cohen has yet more damning hard evidence against Trump? Remember he already handed over the tape where Trump is literally discussing paying off the porn star (it seems to me that many have decided to pretend that proof doesn't exist).

Other than more material for the numerous book and tv deals he has received...and who knows what else is being held over his head that was never made public. Wasn’t there just a case of a movie star lying about getting beaten against his own self interest?  Who knows why people lie, but Cohen has done it over and over under oath in the past...that is not speculation.  You are willing to disregard that because you are biased and want it to all bring Trump down...that is speculative though.

Trump has also done it over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Far more often than Cohen. So why would you be inclined to believe Trump over Cohen, especially when Cohen no longer has any motivation at all and Trump has the most powerful motivation one can imagine? That makes no sense.

Where did I say I believed Trump over Cohen, stop making shit up for the love of God!  Essentially, I’m saying that I want the truth to come out, but Cohen lacks the credibility to do so due to his past crimes.  He is a shitty witness based on his track record.  If Trump gets up and lies under oath in front of congress on numerous occasions, would you choose him as an credible expert witness in any form or fashion?  You don’t have to believe everything Trump says to be skeptical of a known liar’s statements.  Again, how are you 100% certain Cohen has no reason to lie...it is politics after all.

If you don't believe Cohen, doesn't that necessarily mean you believe Trump over Cohen??

No, it does not.  Thanks for playing though.  Trump could very well be guilty of all of the things alleged, but that doesn’t discount that people are innocent until PROVEN guilty. Cohen’s testimony is not proof.  He has zero credibility.

Wow, well then I think you need to start a petition against all witness testimony and all convictions ever connected to witness testimony in the history of the United States.

That doesn’t even make sense...does every witness lack credibility due them being found guilty of lying under oath in the past?  

No, but there's a long history of relying on witnesses with credibility issues both in judicial and congressional proceedings.  Hell, the "beginning of the end" for Nixon was when John Dean testified.  And he went straight to jail after that.  And he was an attorney.  

In that respect, there is a long history of trials being overturned due to false witness testimony as well.

Sure are, but in my example, Dean came out with his reputation improved, unlike Nixon.

But I wonder...could reputation also be a motive for lying?  If you want to trust Cohen, that is your prerogative, but I remain skeptical of anything that comes out of his mouth, just like with Trump.  
If he provides insurmountable physical evidence, then that is what is important...not his verbal testimony or “recollection”.

Are you skeptical that Team Trump Treason smacked Melania around in an elevator? Are you skeptical now that a PTape exists? Are you skeptical that Cohen saw no collusion or had direct knowledge of Team Trump Treason coordinating with Putin on the ritz? Are you skeptical that Cohen has never been to Prague?

Not really a good day for the trump is a russian stooge crowd

I don't understand.  The Mueller investigation was supposed to be off limits on the questioning.  That was reserved for the closed door Senate and House intelligence hearings.  Did something else happen?

according to the steel dossier Cohen attended a meeting in Prague as part of the fix.... he denied it yesterday... and he denied a few other things that were supposedly in the Steel dossier, which was supposed to the the smoking gun document that linked him with Russia as being compromised and therefor a stooge...  

Oh I see.  It's more pieces of information, although I'm holding off judgment on the whole thing until the report is out.  My suspicion is that Trump and team knew about the hack and were happy to benefit from it, including coordinating timing of events.  I'm more interested in how Trump is financially connected to Russia, which would explain his bizarre behavior in his dealings with them.  

PJPOWER

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

@PJPOWER, I got stuck in quote hell so I cut and pasted your last response and am responding. I feel like I went into another dimension.

 

I don’t know where you get the idea that I believe certain things in his testimony over others, but it sure seems like you do.  If you put weight in his other statements as being truthful, then you must give credence in his statements that debunk the dossier  (never being in Prague and no knowledge of a Ptape).  I, for one, am skeptical of every statement he made because I think he has no credibility what so ever.  So, do you believe he was telling the truth throughout yesterday’s questioning or do you not?  If you are on the side of thinking he was telling the truth, does it raise skepticism of the dossier, or are you going to pick and choose based what you inherently believe in?  Is it possible that Trump did not smack Melanie around and that there is no Ptape?

 

My response: You doubt the existence of the PTape and Cohen claims he’s seen no evidence of it, is Cohen lying or is that to be believed? And if you think he was truthful about that, what about the rest of his testimony?

I think his testimony was truthful and so what if he hadn’t been to Prague? That doesn’t make the other allegations in the dossier false, many of which have been proven true. Cohen also mentioned his “suspicions” about Russian collusion but I expect Team Mueller and the dems on the senate intelligence committee to ferret that out. The CNN article you linked to previously stated that, “Team Trump Treason saw Cohen’s passport and he hadn’t been out of the country.” Manafort had, I think 9 passports and once in the EU, arriving say in Berlin, your passport wouldn’t document travel to Prague. That said, it doesn’t matter whether Cohen traveled to Prague, that doesn’t make all the other allegations in the Steele Dossier false.

So either Cohen’s testimony is partially true (Cohen lied under oath again about Prague) or the dossier is partially true (Cohen was telling the truth about Prague).  Which one do you put more weight in?  Either way, we are not getting the full truth here.

That's why we have the senate intelligence committee hearing today, Team Mueller and SDNY. Yesterday's hearing wasn't the be all, end all. But you never answered my question, was Cohen lying about the PTape or is his testimony to be believed? Regardless of his answer, it doesn't mean a PTape doesn't or can't exist.

I did answer your question several times.  I don’t know if he was lying or telling the truth about xyz because he is not credible in my opinion.  You put a lot more weight in his testimony than I do.  He is a convicted fraud, that even lied about being a fraud yesterday...Damn, you really are obsessed with the #Ptape!

Halifax2TheMax

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

@PJPOWER, I got stuck in quote hell so I cut and pasted your last response and am responding. I feel like I went into another dimension.

 

I don’t know where you get the idea that I believe certain things in his testimony over others, but it sure seems like you do.  If you put weight in his other statements as being truthful, then you must give credence in his statements that debunk the dossier  (never being in Prague and no knowledge of a Ptape).  I, for one, am skeptical of every statement he made because I think he has no credibility what so ever.  So, do you believe he was telling the truth throughout yesterday’s questioning or do you not?  If you are on the side of thinking he was telling the truth, does it raise skepticism of the dossier, or are you going to pick and choose based what you inherently believe in?  Is it possible that Trump did not smack Melanie around and that there is no Ptape?

 

My response: You doubt the existence of the PTape and Cohen claims he’s seen no evidence of it, is Cohen lying or is that to be believed? And if you think he was truthful about that, what about the rest of his testimony?

I think his testimony was truthful and so what if he hadn’t been to Prague? That doesn’t make the other allegations in the dossier false, many of which have been proven true. Cohen also mentioned his “suspicions” about Russian collusion but I expect Team Mueller and the dems on the senate intelligence committee to ferret that out. The CNN article you linked to previously stated that, “Team Trump Treason saw Cohen’s passport and he hadn’t been out of the country.” Manafort had, I think 9 passports and once in the EU, arriving say in Berlin, your passport wouldn’t document travel to Prague. That said, it doesn’t matter whether Cohen traveled to Prague, that doesn’t make all the other allegations in the Steele Dossier false.

So either Cohen’s testimony is partially true (Cohen lied under oath again about Prague) or the dossier is partially true (Cohen was telling the truth about Prague).  Which one do you put more weight in?  Either way, we are not getting the full truth here.

That's why we have the senate intelligence committee hearing today, Team Mueller and SDNY. Yesterday's hearing wasn't the be all, end all. But you never answered my question, was Cohen lying about the PTape or is his testimony to be believed? Regardless of his answer, it doesn't mean a PTape doesn't or can't exist.

I did answer your question several times.  I don’t know if he was lying or telling the truth about xyz because he is not credible in my opinion.  You put a lot more weight in his testimony than I do.  He is a convicted fraud, that even lied about being a fraud yesterday...Damn, you really are obsessed with the #Ptape!

Nothing would give me greater satisfaction than seeing Team Trump Treason mortified by confirmation of the existence, and eventual showing, of the PTape. Do you believe Team Trump Treason, on XYZ, as someone who lies, on average, 15 times per day? Maybe after he's convicted you wont?

PJPOWER

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

@PJPOWER, I got stuck in quote hell so I cut and pasted your last response and am responding. I feel like I went into another dimension.

 

I don’t know where you get the idea that I believe certain things in his testimony over others, but it sure seems like you do.  If you put weight in his other statements as being truthful, then you must give credence in his statements that debunk the dossier  (never being in Prague and no knowledge of a Ptape).  I, for one, am skeptical of every statement he made because I think he has no credibility what so ever.  So, do you believe he was telling the truth throughout yesterday’s questioning or do you not?  If you are on the side of thinking he was telling the truth, does it raise skepticism of the dossier, or are you going to pick and choose based what you inherently believe in?  Is it possible that Trump did not smack Melanie around and that there is no Ptape?

 

My response: You doubt the existence of the PTape and Cohen claims he’s seen no evidence of it, is Cohen lying or is that to be believed? And if you think he was truthful about that, what about the rest of his testimony?

I think his testimony was truthful and so what if he hadn’t been to Prague? That doesn’t make the other allegations in the dossier false, many of which have been proven true. Cohen also mentioned his “suspicions” about Russian collusion but I expect Team Mueller and the dems on the senate intelligence committee to ferret that out. The CNN article you linked to previously stated that, “Team Trump Treason saw Cohen’s passport and he hadn’t been out of the country.” Manafort had, I think 9 passports and once in the EU, arriving say in Berlin, your passport wouldn’t document travel to Prague. That said, it doesn’t matter whether Cohen traveled to Prague, that doesn’t make all the other allegations in the Steele Dossier false.

So either Cohen’s testimony is partially true (Cohen lied under oath again about Prague) or the dossier is partially true (Cohen was telling the truth about Prague).  Which one do you put more weight in?  Either way, we are not getting the full truth here.

That's why we have the senate intelligence committee hearing today, Team Mueller and SDNY. Yesterday's hearing wasn't the be all, end all. But you never answered my question, was Cohen lying about the PTape or is his testimony to be believed? Regardless of his answer, it doesn't mean a PTape doesn't or can't exist.

I did answer your question several times.  I don’t know if he was lying or telling the truth about xyz because he is not credible in my opinion.  You put a lot more weight in his testimony than I do.  He is a convicted fraud, that even lied about being a fraud yesterday...Damn, you really are obsessed with the #Ptape!

Nothing would give me greater satisfaction than seeing Team Trump Treason mortified by confirmation of the existence, and eventual showing, of the PTape. Do you believe Team Trump Treason, on XYZ, as someone who lies, on average, 15 times per day? Maybe after he's convicted you wont?

No, I don’t believe everything Trump says on xyz either.  You sure do assume a lot 

Halifax2TheMax

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

@PJPOWER, I got stuck in quote hell so I cut and pasted your last response and am responding. I feel like I went into another dimension.

 

I don’t know where you get the idea that I believe certain things in his testimony over others, but it sure seems like you do.  If you put weight in his other statements as being truthful, then you must give credence in his statements that debunk the dossier  (never being in Prague and no knowledge of a Ptape).  I, for one, am skeptical of every statement he made because I think he has no credibility what so ever.  So, do you believe he was telling the truth throughout yesterday’s questioning or do you not?  If you are on the side of thinking he was telling the truth, does it raise skepticism of the dossier, or are you going to pick and choose based what you inherently believe in?  Is it possible that Trump did not smack Melanie around and that there is no Ptape?

 

My response: You doubt the existence of the PTape and Cohen claims he’s seen no evidence of it, is Cohen lying or is that to be believed? And if you think he was truthful about that, what about the rest of his testimony?

I think his testimony was truthful and so what if he hadn’t been to Prague? That doesn’t make the other allegations in the dossier false, many of which have been proven true. Cohen also mentioned his “suspicions” about Russian collusion but I expect Team Mueller and the dems on the senate intelligence committee to ferret that out. The CNN article you linked to previously stated that, “Team Trump Treason saw Cohen’s passport and he hadn’t been out of the country.” Manafort had, I think 9 passports and once in the EU, arriving say in Berlin, your passport wouldn’t document travel to Prague. That said, it doesn’t matter whether Cohen traveled to Prague, that doesn’t make all the other allegations in the Steele Dossier false.

So either Cohen’s testimony is partially true (Cohen lied under oath again about Prague) or the dossier is partially true (Cohen was telling the truth about Prague).  Which one do you put more weight in?  Either way, we are not getting the full truth here.

That's why we have the senate intelligence committee hearing today, Team Mueller and SDNY. Yesterday's hearing wasn't the be all, end all. But you never answered my question, was Cohen lying about the PTape or is his testimony to be believed? Regardless of his answer, it doesn't mean a PTape doesn't or can't exist.

I did answer your question several times.  I don’t know if he was lying or telling the truth about xyz because he is not credible in my opinion.  You put a lot more weight in his testimony than I do.  He is a convicted fraud, that even lied about being a fraud yesterday...Damn, you really are obsessed with the #Ptape!

Nothing would give me greater satisfaction than seeing Team Trump Treason mortified by confirmation of the existence, and eventual showing, of the PTape. Do you believe Team Trump Treason, on XYZ, as someone who lies, on average, 15 times per day? Maybe after he's convicted you wont?

No, I don’t believe everything Trump says on xyz either.  You sure do assume a lot 

Well, between Cohen's testimony yesterday and Team Trump Treason's daily utterances, I give Cohen way more credibility. And only one is POTUS. 

Bentleyspop

mrussel1 said:

Tiki said:

Otto Warmbier

3 for 3... three dictators have damaged the US and/or its citizens.  Trump has taken all three at "their word".  MBS, Putin and now Kim.  Someone try to defend him on this.  Please.  

If he could do it he'd take at "their word"..

Hitler
Stalin
Mussolini 
Pol Pot
Kim il sung
Idi Amin
Tito
Mobuto Seko
Franco
Etc etc etc