Donald Trump

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I don't understand how Trump supporters can use the "but Cohen is a proven liar" excuse to not believe Cohen, when the person they are using the excuse to defend is a proven pathological liar. What a complete absurdity.

I think they are all just liars trying to save face...as well as Trump and most other politicians.  I’m just saying that Cohen’s testimony is not going to get us to the truth behind the allegations against Trump because he has lied under oath on numerous occasions.  What is funny is people believing Cohen’s every word as long as it fits their rhetoric...but then make excuses when he says he knows nothing about a Ptape, lol.  I don’t know what Trump did or didn’t do, but Cohen’s testimony is at least worthy of skepticism.

I think people are inclined to believe at this point because, as others have pointed out, he no longer has any motivation whatsoever to lie during this testimony. At all. What is really funny is that those inclined not to believe him think it's more likely he's lying than telling the truth, because seriously, that just doesn't make any sense at all. But in any case, surely Cohen has yet more damning hard evidence against Trump? Remember he already handed over the tape where Trump is literally discussing paying off the porn star (it seems to me that many have decided to pretend that proof doesn't exist).

Other than more material for the numerous book and tv deals he has received...and who knows what else is being held over his head that was never made public. Wasn’t there just a case of a movie star lying about getting beaten against his own self interest?  Who knows why people lie, but Cohen has done it over and over under oath in the past...that is not speculation.  You are willing to disregard that because you are biased and want it to all bring Trump down...that is speculative though.

Trump has also done it over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Far more often than Cohen. So why would you be inclined to believe Trump over Cohen, especially when Cohen no longer has any motivation at all and Trump has the most powerful motivation one can imagine? That makes no sense.

Where did I say I believed Trump over Cohen, stop making shit up for the love of God!  Essentially, I’m saying that I want the truth to come out, but Cohen lacks the credibility to do so due to his past crimes.  He is a shitty witness based on his track record.  If Trump gets up and lies under oath in front of congress on numerous occasions, would you choose him as an credible expert witness in any form or fashion?  You don’t have to believe everything Trump says to be skeptical of a known liar’s statements.  Again, how are you 100% certain Cohen has no reason to lie...it is politics after all.

If you don't believe Cohen, doesn't that necessarily mean you believe Trump over Cohen??

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I don't understand how Trump supporters can use the "but Cohen is a proven liar" excuse to not believe Cohen, when the person they are using the excuse to defend is a proven pathological liar. What a complete absurdity.

I think they are all just liars trying to save face...as well as Trump and most other politicians.  I’m just saying that Cohen’s testimony is not going to get us to the truth behind the allegations against Trump because he has lied under oath on numerous occasions.  What is funny is people believing Cohen’s every word as long as it fits their rhetoric...but then make excuses when he says he knows nothing about a Ptape, lol.  I don’t know what Trump did or didn’t do, but Cohen’s testimony is at least worthy of skepticism.

I think people are inclined to believe at this point because, as others have pointed out, he no longer has any motivation whatsoever to lie during this testimony. At all. What is really funny is that those inclined not to believe him think it's more likely he's lying than telling the truth, because seriously, that just doesn't make any sense at all. But in any case, surely Cohen has yet more damning hard evidence against Trump? Remember he already handed over the tape where Trump is literally discussing paying off the porn star (it seems to me that many have decided to pretend that proof doesn't exist).

Other than more material for the numerous book and tv deals he has received...and who knows what else is being held over his head that was never made public. Wasn’t there just a case of a movie star lying about getting beaten against his own self interest?  Who knows why people lie, but Cohen has done it over and over under oath in the past...that is not speculation.  You are willing to disregard that because you are biased and want it to all bring Trump down...that is speculative though.

Trump has also done it over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Far more often than Cohen. So why would you be inclined to believe Trump over Cohen, especially when Cohen no longer has any motivation at all and Trump has the most powerful motivation one can imagine? That makes no sense.

Where did I say I believed Trump over Cohen, stop making shit up for the love of God!  Essentially, I’m saying that I want the truth to come out, but Cohen lacks the credibility to do so due to his past crimes.  He is a shitty witness based on his track record.  If Trump gets up and lies under oath in front of congress on numerous occasions, would you choose him as an credible expert witness in any form or fashion?  You don’t have to believe everything Trump says to be skeptical of a known liar’s statements.  Again, how are you 100% certain Cohen has no reason to lie...it is politics after all.

If you don't believe Cohen, doesn't that necessarily mean you believe Trump over Cohen??

No, it does not.  Thanks for playing though.  Trump could very well be guilty of all of the things alleged, but that doesn’t discount that people are innocent until PROVEN guilty. Cohen’s testimony is not proof.  He has zero credibility.

Wow, well then I think you need to start a petition against all witness testimony and all convictions ever connected to witness testimony in the history of the United States.

mrussel1 said:

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I don't understand how Trump supporters can use the "but Cohen is a proven liar" excuse to not believe Cohen, when the person they are using the excuse to defend is a proven pathological liar. What a complete absurdity.

I think they are all just liars trying to save face...as well as Trump and most other politicians.  I’m just saying that Cohen’s testimony is not going to get us to the truth behind the allegations against Trump because he has lied under oath on numerous occasions.  What is funny is people believing Cohen’s every word as long as it fits their rhetoric...but then make excuses when he says he knows nothing about a Ptape, lol.  I don’t know what Trump did or didn’t do, but Cohen’s testimony is at least worthy of skepticism.

I think people are inclined to believe at this point because, as others have pointed out, he no longer has any motivation whatsoever to lie during this testimony. At all. What is really funny is that those inclined not to believe him think it's more likely he's lying than telling the truth, because seriously, that just doesn't make any sense at all. But in any case, surely Cohen has yet more damning hard evidence against Trump? Remember he already handed over the tape where Trump is literally discussing paying off the porn star (it seems to me that many have decided to pretend that proof doesn't exist).

Other than more material for the numerous book and tv deals he has received...and who knows what else is being held over his head that was never made public. Wasn’t there just a case of a movie star lying about getting beaten against his own self interest?  Who knows why people lie, but Cohen has done it over and over under oath in the past...that is not speculation.  You are willing to disregard that because you are biased and want it to all bring Trump down...that is speculative though.

Trump has also done it over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Far more often than Cohen. So why would you be inclined to believe Trump over Cohen, especially when Cohen no longer has any motivation at all and Trump has the most powerful motivation one can imagine? That makes no sense.

Where did I say I believed Trump over Cohen, stop making shit up for the love of God!  Essentially, I’m saying that I want the truth to come out, but Cohen lacks the credibility to do so due to his past crimes.  He is a shitty witness based on his track record.  If Trump gets up and lies under oath in front of congress on numerous occasions, would you choose him as an credible expert witness in any form or fashion?  You don’t have to believe everything Trump says to be skeptical of a known liar’s statements.  Again, how are you 100% certain Cohen has no reason to lie...it is politics after all.

If you don't believe Cohen, doesn't that necessarily mean you believe Trump over Cohen??

No, it does not.  Thanks for playing though.  Trump could very well be guilty of all of the things alleged, but that doesn’t discount that people are innocent until PROVEN guilty. Cohen’s testimony is not proof.  He has zero credibility.

Wow, well then I think you need to start a petition against all witness testimony and all convictions ever connected to witness testimony in the history of the United States.

That doesn’t even make sense...does every witness lack credibility due them being found guilty of lying under oath in the past?  

No, but there's a long history of relying on witnesses with credibility issues both in judicial and congressional proceedings.  Hell, the "beginning of the end" for Nixon was when John Dean testified.  And he went straight to jail after that.  And he was an attorney.  

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I don't understand how Trump supporters can use the "but Cohen is a proven liar" excuse to not believe Cohen, when the person they are using the excuse to defend is a proven pathological liar. What a complete absurdity.

I think they are all just liars trying to save face...as well as Trump and most other politicians.  I’m just saying that Cohen’s testimony is not going to get us to the truth behind the allegations against Trump because he has lied under oath on numerous occasions.  What is funny is people believing Cohen’s every word as long as it fits their rhetoric...but then make excuses when he says he knows nothing about a Ptape, lol.  I don’t know what Trump did or didn’t do, but Cohen’s testimony is at least worthy of skepticism.

I think people are inclined to believe at this point because, as others have pointed out, he no longer has any motivation whatsoever to lie during this testimony. At all. What is really funny is that those inclined not to believe him think it's more likely he's lying than telling the truth, because seriously, that just doesn't make any sense at all. But in any case, surely Cohen has yet more damning hard evidence against Trump? Remember he already handed over the tape where Trump is literally discussing paying off the porn star (it seems to me that many have decided to pretend that proof doesn't exist).

Other than more material for the numerous book and tv deals he has received...and who knows what else is being held over his head that was never made public. Wasn’t there just a case of a movie star lying about getting beaten against his own self interest?  Who knows why people lie, but Cohen has done it over and over under oath in the past...that is not speculation.  You are willing to disregard that because you are biased and want it to all bring Trump down...that is speculative though.

Trump has also done it over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Far more often than Cohen. So why would you be inclined to believe Trump over Cohen, especially when Cohen no longer has any motivation at all and Trump has the most powerful motivation one can imagine? That makes no sense.

Where did I say I believed Trump over Cohen, stop making shit up for the love of God!  Essentially, I’m saying that I want the truth to come out, but Cohen lacks the credibility to do so due to his past crimes.  He is a shitty witness based on his track record.  If Trump gets up and lies under oath in front of congress on numerous occasions, would you choose him as an credible expert witness in any form or fashion?  You don’t have to believe everything Trump says to be skeptical of a known liar’s statements.  Again, how are you 100% certain Cohen has no reason to lie...it is politics after all.

If you don't believe Cohen, doesn't that necessarily mean you believe Trump over Cohen??

No, it does not.  Thanks for playing though.  Trump could very well be guilty of all of the things alleged, but that doesn’t discount that people are innocent until PROVEN guilty. Cohen’s testimony is not proof.  He has zero credibility.

Wow, well then I think you need to start a petition against all witness testimony and all convictions ever connected to witness testimony in the history of the United States.

That doesn’t even make sense...does every witness lack credibility due them being found guilty of lying under oath in the past?  

No, but there's a long history of relying on witnesses with credibility issues both in judicial and congressional proceedings.  Hell, the "beginning of the end" for Nixon was when John Dean testified.  And he went straight to jail after that.  And he was an attorney.  

In that respect, there is a long history of trials being overturned due to false witness testimony as well.

Sure are, but in my example, Dean came out with his reputation improved, unlike Nixon.

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PJ_Soul said:

I don't understand how Trump supporters can use the "but Cohen is a proven liar" excuse to not believe Cohen, when the person they are using the excuse to defend is a proven pathological liar. What a complete absurdity.

I think they are all just liars trying to save face...as well as Trump and most other politicians.  I’m just saying that Cohen’s testimony is not going to get us to the truth behind the allegations against Trump because he has lied under oath on numerous occasions.  What is funny is people believing Cohen’s every word as long as it fits their rhetoric...but then make excuses when he says he knows nothing about a Ptape, lol.  I don’t know what Trump did or didn’t do, but Cohen’s testimony is at least worthy of skepticism.

I think people are inclined to believe at this point because, as others have pointed out, he no longer has any motivation whatsoever to lie during this testimony. At all. What is really funny is that those inclined not to believe him think it's more likely he's lying than telling the truth, because seriously, that just doesn't make any sense at all. But in any case, surely Cohen has yet more damning hard evidence against Trump? Remember he already handed over the tape where Trump is literally discussing paying off the porn star (it seems to me that many have decided to pretend that proof doesn't exist).

Other than more material for the numerous book and tv deals he has received...and who knows what else is being held over his head that was never made public. Wasn’t there just a case of a movie star lying about getting beaten against his own self interest?  Who knows why people lie, but Cohen has done it over and over under oath in the past...that is not speculation.  You are willing to disregard that because you are biased and want it to all bring Trump down...that is speculative though.

Trump has also done it over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Far more often than Cohen. So why would you be inclined to believe Trump over Cohen, especially when Cohen no longer has any motivation at all and Trump has the most powerful motivation one can imagine? That makes no sense.

Where did I say I believed Trump over Cohen, stop making shit up for the love of God!  Essentially, I’m saying that I want the truth to come out, but Cohen lacks the credibility to do so due to his past crimes.  He is a shitty witness based on his track record.  If Trump gets up and lies under oath in front of congress on numerous occasions, would you choose him as an credible expert witness in any form or fashion?  You don’t have to believe everything Trump says to be skeptical of a known liar’s statements.  Again, how are you 100% certain Cohen has no reason to lie...it is politics after all.

If you don't believe Cohen, doesn't that necessarily mean you believe Trump over Cohen??

No, it does not.  Thanks for playing though.  Trump could very well be guilty of all of the things alleged, but that doesn’t discount that people are innocent until PROVEN guilty. Cohen’s testimony is not proof.  He has zero credibility.

Wow, well then I think you need to start a petition against all witness testimony and all convictions ever connected to witness testimony in the history of the United States.

That doesn’t even make sense...does every witness lack credibility due them being found guilty of lying under oath in the past?  

No, but there's a long history of relying on witnesses with credibility issues both in judicial and congressional proceedings.  Hell, the "beginning of the end" for Nixon was when John Dean testified.  And he went straight to jail after that.  And he was an attorney.  

In that respect, there is a long history of trials being overturned due to false witness testimony as well.

Sure are, but in my example, Dean came out with his reputation improved, unlike Nixon.

But I wonder...could reputation also be a motive for lying?  If you want to trust Cohen, that is your prerogative, but I remain skeptical of anything that comes out of his mouth, just like with Trump.  

I would find Trump more believable if he was under oath with possible jail time hanging over his head.

Wobbie said:

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I don't understand how Trump supporters can use the "but Cohen is a proven liar" excuse to not believe Cohen, when the person they are using the excuse to defend is a proven pathological liar. What a complete absurdity.

I think they are all just liars trying to save face...as well as Trump and most other politicians.  I’m just saying that Cohen’s testimony is not going to get us to the truth behind the allegations against Trump because he has lied under oath on numerous occasions.  What is funny is people believing Cohen’s every word as long as it fits their rhetoric...but then make excuses when he says he knows nothing about a Ptape, lol.  I don’t know what Trump did or didn’t do, but Cohen’s testimony is at least worthy of skepticism.

I think people are inclined to believe at this point because, as others have pointed out, he no longer has any motivation whatsoever to lie during this testimony. At all. What is really funny is that those inclined not to believe him think it's more likely he's lying than telling the truth, because seriously, that just doesn't make any sense at all. But in any case, surely Cohen has yet more damning hard evidence against Trump? Remember he already handed over the tape where Trump is literally discussing paying off the porn star (it seems to me that many have decided to pretend that proof doesn't exist).

Other than more material for the numerous book and tv deals he has received...and who knows what else is being held over his head that was never made public. Wasn’t there just a case of a movie star lying about getting beaten against his own self interest?  Who knows why people lie, but Cohen has done it over and over under oath in the past...that is not speculation.  You are willing to disregard that because you are biased and want it to all bring Trump down...that is speculative though.

Trump has also done it over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Far more often than Cohen. So why would you be inclined to believe Trump over Cohen, especially when Cohen no longer has any motivation at all and Trump has the most powerful motivation one can imagine? That makes no sense.

Where did I say I believed Trump over Cohen, stop making shit up for the love of God!  Essentially, I’m saying that I want the truth to come out, but Cohen lacks the credibility to do so due to his past crimes.  He is a shitty witness based on his track record.  If Trump gets up and lies under oath in front of congress on numerous occasions, would you choose him as an credible expert witness in any form or fashion?  You don’t have to believe everything Trump says to be skeptical of a known liar’s statements.  Again, how are you 100% certain Cohen has no reason to lie...it is politics after all.

Soooooo......I got JAIL time for lying once, so I’m gonna do it some more.

gotcha.

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I thought I read somewhere they just pissed on the bed that Michelle and Barack slept in. Maybe there was no peeing on anybody. Maybe it was a total piss orgy. Who knows?