Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

oftenreading said:

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

Interesting that AOC turned down this appointment. Is it because it doesn't have legislative or subpoena power? Is it because Pelosi refused the "requirement" that no one on the committee may have taken energy contributions?  Ideological purity always makes me nervous.  Better to have a diamond with a flaw than a pebble without. 

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/428916-pelosi-names-dems-to-new-climate-panel-but-not-aoc

Hmmm is this what you get when you elect a lobbyist? 

She is not doing what I would hope a Congress person would do. Of course, the precedent was set by the republicans of not compromising on Obama agenda. But she seems to be following suit in the no compromise all or none bullshit line of thinking.

In what way is AOC a lobbyist?

She’s got an agenda and has been unwilling to compromise even in the early going. She seems like she has a lot to learn but it’s not trending in the right direction off the bat. Heck her own speaker continue to feel the need to smack her down. 

i can understand what you are saying. but honestly, watch this and tell me it's not inspiring. 

https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2019/feb/08/alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-brutal-take-down-of-us-political-finance-laws-video

I’ve already said I like her passion. My concern is having yet another person in Congress (or the President) that will not compromise. Lots of time left to see, but early on she seems to show she won’t compromise and Nancy is having to manage her. We will see what happens.

to be honest, I think this was more of a stunt than anything. she knows how to work the room and knows these types of things will end up online and most likely go viral, at least with the left, and possibly triggering the right while she's at it. she's looking for that reaction as the young upstart who is going to shake the place up. 

can you give an example as to what she hasn't compromised on? I know there was one bill she refused to sign because of one issue she had with it, but the details escape me at the moment. is there anything other than that one instance?

obviously, an uncompromising person is not what is ideal for getting stuff done, if it's across the board. I think I can agree with you there. but if there are issues that she is passionate about, platforms her constituents elected her on, then I see no issue, and could be argued it's her responsibility to stick to her guns on those issues. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

oftenreading said:

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

Interesting that AOC turned down this appointment. Is it because it doesn't have legislative or subpoena power? Is it because Pelosi refused the "requirement" that no one on the committee may have taken energy contributions?  Ideological purity always makes me nervous.  Better to have a diamond with a flaw than a pebble without. 

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/428916-pelosi-names-dems-to-new-climate-panel-but-not-aoc

Hmmm is this what you get when you elect a lobbyist? 

She is not doing what I would hope a Congress person would do. Of course, the precedent was set by the republicans of not compromising on Obama agenda. But she seems to be following suit in the no compromise all or none bullshit line of thinking.

In what way is AOC a lobbyist?

She’s got an agenda and has been unwilling to compromise even in the early going. She seems like she has a lot to learn but it’s not trending in the right direction off the bat. Heck her own speaker continue to feel the need to smack her down. 

i can understand what you are saying. but honestly, watch this and tell me it's not inspiring. 

https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2019/feb/08/alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-brutal-take-down-of-us-political-finance-laws-video

I’ve already said I like her passion. My concern is having yet another person in Congress (or the President) that will not compromise. Lots of time left to see, but early on she seems to show she won’t compromise and Nancy is having to manage her. We will see what happens.

to be honest, I think this was more of a stunt than anything. she knows how to work the room and knows these types of things will end up online and most likely go viral, at least with the left, and possibly triggering the right while she's at it. she's looking for that reaction as the young upstart who is going to shake the place up. 

can you give an example as to what she hasn't compromised on? I know there was one bill she refused to sign because of one issue she had with it, but the details escape me at the moment. is there anything other than that one instance?

obviously, an uncompromising person is not what is ideal for getting stuff done, if it's across the board. I think I can agree with you there. but if there are issues that she is passionate about, platforms her constituents elected her on, then I see no issue, and could be argued it's her responsibility to stick to her guns on those issues. 

She was asked to be on the new environmental commission and turned Pelosi down. I guess not, not compromising, specifically but that’s what it appears to be. Not working with her leadership.

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

oftenreading said:

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

Interesting that AOC turned down this appointment. Is it because it doesn't have legislative or subpoena power? Is it because Pelosi refused the "requirement" that no one on the committee may have taken energy contributions?  Ideological purity always makes me nervous.  Better to have a diamond with a flaw than a pebble without. 

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/428916-pelosi-names-dems-to-new-climate-panel-but-not-aoc

Hmmm is this what you get when you elect a lobbyist? 

She is not doing what I would hope a Congress person would do. Of course, the precedent was set by the republicans of not compromising on Obama agenda. But she seems to be following suit in the no compromise all or none bullshit line of thinking.

In what way is AOC a lobbyist?

She’s got an agenda and has been unwilling to compromise even in the early going. She seems like she has a lot to learn but it’s not trending in the right direction off the bat. Heck her own speaker continue to feel the need to smack her down. 

i can understand what you are saying. but honestly, watch this and tell me it's not inspiring. 

https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2019/feb/08/alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-brutal-take-down-of-us-political-finance-laws-video

I’ve already said I like her passion. My concern is having yet another person in Congress (or the President) that will not compromise. Lots of time left to see, but early on she seems to show she won’t compromise and Nancy is having to manage her. We will see what happens.

to be honest, I think this was more of a stunt than anything. she knows how to work the room and knows these types of things will end up online and most likely go viral, at least with the left, and possibly triggering the right while she's at it. she's looking for that reaction as the young upstart who is going to shake the place up. 

can you give an example as to what she hasn't compromised on? I know there was one bill she refused to sign because of one issue she had with it, but the details escape me at the moment. is there anything other than that one instance?

obviously, an uncompromising person is not what is ideal for getting stuff done, if it's across the board. I think I can agree with you there. but if there are issues that she is passionate about, platforms her constituents elected her on, then I see no issue, and could be argued it's her responsibility to stick to her guns on those issues. 

And on the issues...I mostly disagree. Our politicians aren’t suppose to be 1 issue voters. Heck look at where an unwillingness to compromise has gotten us with abortion, gun control, and even immigration.

I think it depends on which issue. if an elected official is digging in their heels about one issue, every single time, sure, I agree with you. But if it's one of her flagship causes, then yes, I say fight for it. 

Again, I don't know which issue she dug her heels in on, and if there was more than that one issue. 

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

oftenreading said:

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

Interesting that AOC turned down this appointment. Is it because it doesn't have legislative or subpoena power? Is it because Pelosi refused the "requirement" that no one on the committee may have taken energy contributions?  Ideological purity always makes me nervous.  Better to have a diamond with a flaw than a pebble without. 

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/428916-pelosi-names-dems-to-new-climate-panel-but-not-aoc

Hmmm is this what you get when you elect a lobbyist? 

She is not doing what I would hope a Congress person would do. Of course, the precedent was set by the republicans of not compromising on Obama agenda. But she seems to be following suit in the no compromise all or none bullshit line of thinking.

In what way is AOC a lobbyist?

She’s got an agenda and has been unwilling to compromise even in the early going. She seems like she has a lot to learn but it’s not trending in the right direction off the bat. Heck her own speaker continue to feel the need to smack her down. 

i can understand what you are saying. but honestly, watch this and tell me it's not inspiring. 

https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2019/feb/08/alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-brutal-take-down-of-us-political-finance-laws-video

I’ve already said I like her passion. My concern is having yet another person in Congress (or the President) that will not compromise. Lots of time left to see, but early on she seems to show she won’t compromise and Nancy is having to manage her. We will see what happens.

to be honest, I think this was more of a stunt than anything. she knows how to work the room and knows these types of things will end up online and most likely go viral, at least with the left, and possibly triggering the right while she's at it. she's looking for that reaction as the young upstart who is going to shake the place up. 

can you give an example as to what she hasn't compromised on? I know there was one bill she refused to sign because of one issue she had with it, but the details escape me at the moment. is there anything other than that one instance?

obviously, an uncompromising person is not what is ideal for getting stuff done, if it's across the board. I think I can agree with you there. but if there are issues that she is passionate about, platforms her constituents elected her on, then I see no issue, and could be argued it's her responsibility to stick to her guns on those issues. 

And on the issues...I mostly disagree. Our politicians aren’t suppose to be 1 issue voters. Heck look at where an unwillingness to compromise has gotten us with abortion, gun control, and even immigration.

AOC isn't a 1 issue politician though. One shouldn't expect a politician to always compromise. There are times with compromise is the wrong thing to do. I feel like AOC is actually setting a good example, not a bad one. Way too many politicians are way too willing to compromise the principles they were voted in for way too often.

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

oftenreading said:

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

Interesting that AOC turned down this appointment. Is it because it doesn't have legislative or subpoena power? Is it because Pelosi refused the "requirement" that no one on the committee may have taken energy contributions?  Ideological purity always makes me nervous.  Better to have a diamond with a flaw than a pebble without. 

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/428916-pelosi-names-dems-to-new-climate-panel-but-not-aoc

Hmmm is this what you get when you elect a lobbyist? 

She is not doing what I would hope a Congress person would do. Of course, the precedent was set by the republicans of not compromising on Obama agenda. But she seems to be following suit in the no compromise all or none bullshit line of thinking.

In what way is AOC a lobbyist?

She’s got an agenda and has been unwilling to compromise even in the early going. She seems like she has a lot to learn but it’s not trending in the right direction off the bat. Heck her own speaker continue to feel the need to smack her down. 

i can understand what you are saying. but honestly, watch this and tell me it's not inspiring. 

https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2019/feb/08/alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-brutal-take-down-of-us-political-finance-laws-video

I’ve already said I like her passion. My concern is having yet another person in Congress (or the President) that will not compromise. Lots of time left to see, but early on she seems to show she won’t compromise and Nancy is having to manage her. We will see what happens.

to be honest, I think this was more of a stunt than anything. she knows how to work the room and knows these types of things will end up online and most likely go viral, at least with the left, and possibly triggering the right while she's at it. she's looking for that reaction as the young upstart who is going to shake the place up. 

can you give an example as to what she hasn't compromised on? I know there was one bill she refused to sign because of one issue she had with it, but the details escape me at the moment. is there anything other than that one instance?

obviously, an uncompromising person is not what is ideal for getting stuff done, if it's across the board. I think I can agree with you there. but if there are issues that she is passionate about, platforms her constituents elected her on, then I see no issue, and could be argued it's her responsibility to stick to her guns on those issues. 

And on the issues...I mostly disagree. Our politicians aren’t suppose to be 1 issue voters. Heck look at where an unwillingness to compromise has gotten us with abortion, gun control, and even immigration.

AOC isn't a 1 issue politician though. One shouldn't expect a politician to always compromise. There are times with compromise is the wrong thing to do. I feel like AOC is actually setting a good example, not a bad one. Way too many politicians are way too willing to compromise the principles they were voted in for way too often.

Yeah I mean they don’t compromise even if only 1 issue they don’t agree with.

look, it’s way to early to tell with AOC. But that’s my concern for her and politicians like her. 

Nice. No shit. I’ll just stay home. Thanks AOC!

PJPOWER said:

So this “New Green Deal” really includes providing economic security for those “unwilling to work”???  Sign me up for some of those “unwilling to work” benefits, lol. For real though...
https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5729035-Green-New-Deal-FAQ

She seriously can't mean "unwilling to work," can she? Because that is about the dumbest thing I've heard in politics. Even including everything our current president has said.

And may be a dumb question, but what does 100% renewable energy mean? Does that mean no gas engine cars?

mace1229 said:

PJPOWER said:

So this “New Green Deal” really includes providing economic security for those “unwilling to work”???  Sign me up for some of those “unwilling to work” benefits, lol. For real though...
https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5729035-Green-New-Deal-FAQ

She seriously can't mean "unwilling to work," can she? Because that is about the dumbest thing I've heard in politics. Even including everything our current president has said.

And may be a dumb question, but what does 100% renewable energy mean? Does that mean no gas engine cars?

Yes no gas engine. No fossil fuels.

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

oftenreading said:

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

Interesting that AOC turned down this appointment. Is it because it doesn't have legislative or subpoena power? Is it because Pelosi refused the "requirement" that no one on the committee may have taken energy contributions?  Ideological purity always makes me nervous.  Better to have a diamond with a flaw than a pebble without. 

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/428916-pelosi-names-dems-to-new-climate-panel-but-not-aoc

Hmmm is this what you get when you elect a lobbyist? 

She is not doing what I would hope a Congress person would do. Of course, the precedent was set by the republicans of not compromising on Obama agenda. But she seems to be following suit in the no compromise all or none bullshit line of thinking.

In what way is AOC a lobbyist?

She’s got an agenda and has been unwilling to compromise even in the early going. She seems like she has a lot to learn but it’s not trending in the right direction off the bat. Heck her own speaker continue to feel the need to smack her down. 

i can understand what you are saying. but honestly, watch this and tell me it's not inspiring. 

https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2019/feb/08/alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-brutal-take-down-of-us-political-finance-laws-video

I’ve already said I like her passion. My concern is having yet another person in Congress (or the President) that will not compromise. Lots of time left to see, but early on she seems to show she won’t compromise and Nancy is having to manage her. We will see what happens.

to be honest, I think this was more of a stunt than anything. she knows how to work the room and knows these types of things will end up online and most likely go viral, at least with the left, and possibly triggering the right while she's at it. she's looking for that reaction as the young upstart who is going to shake the place up. 

can you give an example as to what she hasn't compromised on? I know there was one bill she refused to sign because of one issue she had with it, but the details escape me at the moment. is there anything other than that one instance?

obviously, an uncompromising person is not what is ideal for getting stuff done, if it's across the board. I think I can agree with you there. but if there are issues that she is passionate about, platforms her constituents elected her on, then I see no issue, and could be argued it's her responsibility to stick to her guns on those issues. 

And on the issues...I mostly disagree. Our politicians aren’t suppose to be 1 issue voters. Heck look at where an unwillingness to compromise has gotten us with abortion, gun control, and even immigration.

I think it depends on which issue. if an elected official is digging in their heels about one issue, every single time, sure, I agree with you. But if it's one of her flagship causes, then yes, I say fight for it. 

Again, I don't know which issue she dug her heels in on, and if there was more than that one issue. 

So far?

1) funding ICE
2) Joining environmental committee with other Dems and repubs (cause she’s not interested in a committee compromise)

shes only had 2 opportunities 

Everyone is forgetting about the power plays she tried at the beginning of the Congress.  They failed.