Outrage Culture

mfc2006 · January 2019

cincybearcat said:

Take care of yourself. Wish you’d stay

I agree!

Ledbetterman10 · January 2019

I see where you're coming from, Hugh. But remember you can always just enter and leave conversations as you please. It's not like someone's going to PM you and be like "Hey you didn't reply to my reply to you about Trump's wall!" They'll just move on. I've had to step away myself a few times. One thing that I'm a bit guilty of (that Rogan mentions in your video) is being a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian. I voted for Hillary and I think Trump is awful and evil like most reasonable people do. But because some people around here so obsessed in their hatred for him, I can't help but try to play devil's advocate for Trump, the GOP, and conservatism in general. Just so things aren't so one-sided. There are times this board can feel like the breakroom at MSNBC studios.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2019

Ledbetterman10 said:

I see where you're coming from, Hugh. But remember you can always just enter and leave conversations as you please. It's not like someone's going to PM you and be like "Hey you didn't reply to my reply to you about Trump's wall!" They'll just move on. I've had to step away myself a few times. One thing that I'm a bit guilty of (that Rogan mentions in your video) is being a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian. I voted for Hillary and I think Trump is awful and evil like most reasonable people do. But because some people around here so obsessed in their hatred for him, I can't help but try to play devil's advocate for Trump, the GOP, and conservatism in general. Just so things aren't so one-sided. There are times this board can feel like the breakroom at MSNBC studios.

yes, of course, but i admittedly have a bit of an addictive/obsessive personality, so when i'm here, i'm full on, and here a lot. it's hard for me to just come here occasionally.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2019

mickeyrat said:

emotions need tempered. all too often on antisocial media , folks lead with their emotions on a given topic or event and all too often something is missed.

I think the more emotionally enraged/engaged on a subject it has the inverse effect of critical thinking lessening.

at first blush I was kinda offended at not being tagged (included in the group). But is it really that important in the grand scheme of things? I have decided that no it isnt. at all.

good vibes requested for a former member , i shit and i stink who lost his mother to cancer this morning.

i didn't want to leave anyone out. i honestly just threw down a bunch of handles that came off the top of my head. maybe i didn't think of yours because we haven't interacted a whole lot. or you've never pissed me off. lol

brianlux · January 2019

CM189191 said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

i guess i shouldn't have mentioned anything about my possible future posting status. i honestly did not want that to be the focal point of this thread. i watched the video last night, and i watched it again today. the point was the REASONS why some might get tired of engaging, whether it be online or in person.

i know a lot of people rag on joe rogan (interviewing, or giving a platform to, people like ted nugent, etc), but i honestly find him so balanced. he is able to actually have a discussion with those he may disagree with and not be a dick. and he is fine with being wrong or admitting he's ignorant. that's what's missing today. everyone thinks they are right. and they won't fucking listen to anything because of no other reason than their personal biases. it gets so tiring listening to the nonsense here and other places online that are so entrenched in their own views that nothing else is reality. yes, trump is a fucking asshole. but if he cured cancer, i'd give him credit. many here wouldn't. much like the many on the right would have been the same to obama. and they don't see it. or they do and believe the are justified in it.

it is just so exhausting with the constant barrage of "HE DID WRONG!!!' nonsense that is diluting all of the real issues.

they are absolutely right that the maga kid with the native american is NOT NEWS. @mcgruff10 was absolutely right that if the kid wasn't wearing the red hat, it never would have made it anywhere.

pjhawks, i tagged those on here who i respect. so no, we haven't had a bunch of interactions, but you have made an impression on me nonetheless. i wanted to get the honest opinions on this of those that i see around here often, from both sides, and you are one of them.

Counterpoint :

tRUmp hasn't cured cancer
and
That kid was wearing a MAGA hat

I mean, you're throwing around a couple pretty big ''IFs"

Let's say trump cured cancer. And that kid wore his maga hat down to the hospital. Went room to room making announcements like "good news everyone! Trump cured cancer! America is great again!"

But that's not what happened, is it?

These walking embodiments of white privilege went to a march for life rally to mansplain to the women folk on what to do with their uteruses. And when they were done there, they proceeded to pick a fight with the nearest minority they could pick out.

Those if's were completely hypothetical and meant to make a point which, it appears, you missed.

Just curious, did you watch the entire video? If not, I would recommend doing so.

I thought it was good stuff about how we quickly react to brief sound/video bites on social media and how we are all prone to making knee-jerk reactions to them. I mean, seriously, who hasn't done that? I know I have. I'm glad to have this reminder to dig more deeply before making an assessment or judgement as well as to keep in mind what is really news and what is sensationalism.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2019

CM189191 said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

i guess i shouldn't have mentioned anything about my possible future posting status. i honestly did not want that to be the focal point of this thread. i watched the video last night, and i watched it again today. the point was the REASONS why some might get tired of engaging, whether it be online or in person.

i know a lot of people rag on joe rogan (interviewing, or giving a platform to, people like ted nugent, etc), but i honestly find him so balanced. he is able to actually have a discussion with those he may disagree with and not be a dick. and he is fine with being wrong or admitting he's ignorant. that's what's missing today. everyone thinks they are right. and they won't fucking listen to anything because of no other reason than their personal biases. it gets so tiring listening to the nonsense here and other places online that are so entrenched in their own views that nothing else is reality. yes, trump is a fucking asshole. but if he cured cancer, i'd give him credit. many here wouldn't. much like the many on the right would have been the same to obama. and they don't see it. or they do and believe the are justified in it.

it is just so exhausting with the constant barrage of "HE DID WRONG!!!' nonsense that is diluting all of the real issues.

they are absolutely right that the maga kid with the native american is NOT NEWS. @mcgruff10 was absolutely right that if the kid wasn't wearing the red hat, it never would have made it anywhere.

pjhawks, i tagged those on here who i respect. so no, we haven't had a bunch of interactions, but you have made an impression on me nonetheless. i wanted to get the honest opinions on this of those that i see around here often, from both sides, and you are one of them.

Counterpoint :

tRUmp hasn't cured cancer
and
That kid was wearing a MAGA hat

I mean, you're throwing around a couple pretty big ''IFs"

Let's say trump cured cancer. And that kid wore his maga hat down to the hospital. Went room to room making announcements like "good news everyone! Trump cured cancer! America is great again!"

But that's not what happened, is it?

These walking embodiments of white privilege went to a march for life rally to mansplain to the women folk on what to do with their uteruses. And when they were done there, they proceeded to pick a fight with the nearest minority they could pick out.

so fucking what? the entire point is that this incident shouldn't be news. because it's not. were the kids dicks? maybe. people are just scouring the earth for reasons to be outraged. and this incident and the subsequent reporting on it is absolute proof of that.

mcgruff10 · January 2019

HughFreakingDillon said:

CM189191 said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

i guess i shouldn't have mentioned anything about my possible future posting status. i honestly did not want that to be the focal point of this thread. i watched the video last night, and i watched it again today. the point was the REASONS why some might get tired of engaging, whether it be online or in person.

i know a lot of people rag on joe rogan (interviewing, or giving a platform to, people like ted nugent, etc), but i honestly find him so balanced. he is able to actually have a discussion with those he may disagree with and not be a dick. and he is fine with being wrong or admitting he's ignorant. that's what's missing today. everyone thinks they are right. and they won't fucking listen to anything because of no other reason than their personal biases. it gets so tiring listening to the nonsense here and other places online that are so entrenched in their own views that nothing else is reality. yes, trump is a fucking asshole. but if he cured cancer, i'd give him credit. many here wouldn't. much like the many on the right would have been the same to obama. and they don't see it. or they do and believe the are justified in it.

it is just so exhausting with the constant barrage of "HE DID WRONG!!!' nonsense that is diluting all of the real issues.

they are absolutely right that the maga kid with the native american is NOT NEWS. @mcgruff10 was absolutely right that if the kid wasn't wearing the red hat, it never would have made it anywhere.

pjhawks, i tagged those on here who i respect. so no, we haven't had a bunch of interactions, but you have made an impression on me nonetheless. i wanted to get the honest opinions on this of those that i see around here often, from both sides, and you are one of them.

Counterpoint :

tRUmp hasn't cured cancer
and
That kid was wearing a MAGA hat

I mean, you're throwing around a couple pretty big ''IFs"

Let's say trump cured cancer. And that kid wore his maga hat down to the hospital. Went room to room making announcements like "good news everyone! Trump cured cancer! America is great again!"

But that's not what happened, is it?

These walking embodiments of white privilege went to a march for life rally to mansplain to the women folk on what to do with their uteruses. And when they were done there, they proceeded to pick a fight with the nearest minority they could pick out.

so fucking what? the entire point is that this incident shouldn't be news. because it's not. were the kids dicks? maybe. people are just scouring the earth for reasons to be outraged. and this incident and the subsequent reporting on it is absolute proof of that.

To me these people who were outraged by the kid and his hat are no better than trump. What is the difference between all Mexicans are rapists and all people wearing MAGA hats are racists?
and the biggest irony to me is that all this went down on mlk weekend.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · January 2019

If people cannot understand the symbolism of the MAGA hat then that is on them. It’s not a challenging item of information to misinterpret.

It’s one thing to support McDonald and his dogshit mess in the hopes that maybe there’s method in the madness... it’s a whole other thing to proudly flaunt it.

In my mind, one can safely be stereotyped wearing a MAGA hat. One cannot safely be stereotyped by the basis of their skin colour.

mcgruff10 · January 2019

You are completely wrong Del. Just because you have a MAGA hat doesn’t mean you support all of trump’s policies. I voted for Obama twice and had his election stickers on my truck. Does that automatically mean that I was for gun control? Obviously the answer is no. Don’t paint everyone with a broad stroke because if you do then you are just like the president you despise.

brianlux · January 2019

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

If people cannot understand the symbolism of the MAGA hat then that is on them. It’s not a challenging item of information to misinterpret.

It’s one thing to support McDonald and his dogshit mess in the hopes that maybe there’s method in the madness... it’s a whole other thing to proudly flaunt it.

In my mind, one can safely be stereotyped wearing a MAGA hat. One cannot safely be stereotyped by the basis of their skin colour.

I pretty much agree with everything you said her, Thirty. But maybe a good question to ask is, What will more likely change the perspective of someone who wears a MAGA hat- ridiculing someone you don't know much about other than a quick glimpse on social media or educating them about the reality of the fact that Trump and his supporters are generally making America worse, not great?

Don't get me wrong, I have the save gut reaction to anyone wearing a MAGA hat- "You're an idiot!" But telling them that might not be the best way to change their mind or reverse the tide of what many of us see as an ever worsening of America. It's easy to do the former, damn hard to do the latter. I'm sometimes guilty of making the wrong choice that way.

mcgruff10 · January 2019

Bri to me it is very simple, don’t judge a book by its cover.

brianlux · January 2019

mcgruff10 said:

Bri to me it is very simple, don’t judge a book by its cover.

So true, McG, so true.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · January 2019

mcgruff10 said:

Bri to me it is very simple, don’t judge a book by its cover.

If I walk around town wearing a 49ers hat and hoody... I’m advertising where my loyalties are.

If I show up to a conservative rally wearing a MAGA hat on... I’m advertising where my values rest.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · January 2019

mcgruff10 said:

You are completely wrong Del. Just because you have a MAGA hat doesn’t mean you support all of trump’s policies. I voted for Obama twice and had his election stickers on my truck. Does that automatically mean that I was for gun control? Obviously the answer is no. Don’t paint everyone with a broad stroke because if you do then you are just like the president you despise.

Okay well tell me this then: what Trump policies does a MAGA hat wearing guy support that I can or should respect?

I’m willing to retract my statement if there is something there of substance.

mcgruff10 · January 2019

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bri to me it is very simple, don’t judge a book by its cover.

If I walk around town wearing a 49ers hat and hoody... I’m advertising where my loyalties are.

If I show up to a conservative rally wearing a MAGA hat on... I’m advertising where my values rest.

Apples to oranges. You root for a team plain and simple. Politics are way more complex because of all the issues.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · January 2019

mcgruff10 said:

You are completely wrong Del. Just because you have a MAGA hat doesn’t mean you support all of trump’s policies. I voted for Obama twice and had his election stickers on my truck. Does that automatically mean that I was for gun control? Obviously the answer is no. Don’t paint everyone with a broad stroke because if you do then you are just like the president you despise.

Okay so then seriously tell me this: which Trump policies would a MAGA hat wearing guy support that are respectable? What about Trump should a person like me take into consideration when judging a guy that endorses him with a hat or tattoo on his ass?

What have I missed about McDonald that I should respect?

Thirty Bills Unpaid · January 2019

brianlux said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

If people cannot understand the symbolism of the MAGA hat then that is on them. It’s not a challenging item of information to misinterpret.

It’s one thing to support McDonald and his dogshit mess in the hopes that maybe there’s method in the madness... it’s a whole other thing to proudly flaunt it.

In my mind, one can safely be stereotyped wearing a MAGA hat. One cannot safely be stereotyped by the basis of their skin colour.

I pretty much agree with everything you said her, Thirty. But maybe a good question to ask is, What will more likely change the perspective of someone who wears a MAGA hat- ridiculing someone you don't know much about other than a quick glimpse on social media or educating them about the reality of the fact that Trump and his supporters are generally making America worse, not great?

Don't get me wrong, I have the save gut reaction to anyone wearing a MAGA hat- "You're an idiot!" But telling them that might not be the best way to change their mind or reverse the tide of what many of us see as an ever worsening of America. It's easy to do the former, damn hard to do the latter. I'm sometimes guilty of making the wrong choice that way.

Honestly Brian... I don't think there is any changing a MAGA guy. I think their character has been forged from day one and they are as set in their ways as anyone could be.

I think the real question is how do you keep someone from becoming a MAGA guy before they become a MAGA guy (even if upbringing is somewhat damning)?

Thirty Bills Unpaid · January 2019

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bri to me it is very simple, don’t judge a book by its cover.

If I walk around town wearing a 49ers hat and hoody... I’m advertising where my loyalties are.

If I show up to a conservative rally wearing a MAGA hat on... I’m advertising where my values rest.

Apples to oranges. You root for a team plain and simple. Politics are way more complex because of all the issues.

So what is a guy wearing a MAGA hat doing wearing it? Was it simply a random selection between that one, the John Deere one, or the Winchester one? There's maybe a few random selections out there, but for the majority of MAGA hat wearers... they're flaunting their value sets embodied by the orange one and his rhetoric.

It's not apples to oranges. It's exactly the same thing. Unlike every other era... US politics is not that complicated at the moment.

Edit: Not that complicated with regards to how people should view their president.

Halifax2TheMax · January 2019

The thing about wearing a MAGA hat for me is that the wearer is endorsing a POTUS who lies 15 times a day on average, who’s policies are not grounded in reality and are based on lies, who has denigrated every aspect of our democratic republic, only cares about himself and who has colluded with a foreign power to undermine and steal an election, among many other transgressions (good people on both sides, etc.) There is no peeling away single issues, like gun control or tax policy, from what that hat represents. Furthermore, I highly doubt that facts, reasoning or any kind of attempt at trying to persuade them with reason is going to change their viewpoint. The only thing left is ridicule, scorn, contempt and shunning. They’re lost.

mickeyrat · January 2019

these kids come from an area thats fairly republican, growing up in households that are republican, go to a catholic high school that by definition is conservative(in spite of the jesus part) in DC for a pro life march. AND they are teenage boys, which by most definitions make them assholes, born in a time where trolling is sport.

we choose to make the focus on them and the native dude(one whos history has been sugarcpated a bit) but largely ignore the instigators here. 4 men, excersizing free speech. rude uncivilized speech, at the memorial site for the man who oversaw the ending of slavery on MLK weekend. spewing garbage at passers by, for seemingly no other purpose than they could.

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