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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 18,951
    Bri to me it is very simple, don’t judge a book by its cover. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 27,250
    mcgruff10 said:
    Bri to me it is very simple, don’t judge a book by its cover. 
    So true, McG, so true.
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  • mcgruff10 said:
    Bri to me it is very simple, don’t judge a book by its cover. 
    If I walk around town wearing a 49ers hat and hoody... I’m advertising where my loyalties are.

    If I show up to a conservative rally wearing a MAGA hat on... I’m advertising where my values rest.
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  • mcgruff10 said:
    You are completely wrong Del.  Just because you have a MAGA hat doesn’t mean you support all of trump’s policies. I voted for Obama twice and had his election stickers on my truck. Does that automatically mean that I was for gun control?  Obviously the answer is no. Don’t paint everyone with a broad stroke because if you do then you are just like the president you despise. 
    Okay well tell me this then: what Trump policies does a MAGA hat wearing guy support that I can or should respect?

    I’m willing to retract my statement if there is something there of substance.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 18,951
    mcgruff10 said:
    Bri to me it is very simple, don’t judge a book by its cover. 
    If I walk around town wearing a 49ers hat and hoody... I’m advertising where my loyalties are.

    If I show up to a conservative rally wearing a MAGA hat on... I’m advertising where my values rest.
    Apples to oranges. You root for a team plain and simple. Politics are way more complex because of all the issues. 
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  • mcgruff10 said:
    You are completely wrong Del.  Just because you have a MAGA hat doesn’t mean you support all of trump’s policies. I voted for Obama twice and had his election stickers on my truck. Does that automatically mean that I was for gun control?  Obviously the answer is no. Don’t paint everyone with a broad stroke because if you do then you are just like the president you despise. 

    Okay so then seriously tell me this: which Trump policies would a MAGA hat wearing guy support that are respectable? What about Trump should a person like me take into consideration when judging a guy that endorses him with a hat or tattoo on his ass?

    What have I missed about McDonald that I should respect?
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  • brianlux said:
    If people cannot understand the symbolism of the MAGA hat then that is on them. It’s not a challenging item of information to misinterpret.

    It’s one thing to support McDonald and his dogshit mess in the hopes that maybe there’s method in the madness... it’s a whole other thing to proudly flaunt it.

    In my mind, one can safely be stereotyped wearing a MAGA hat. One cannot safely be stereotyped by the basis of their skin colour.
    I pretty much agree with everything you said her, Thirty.  But maybe a good question to ask is, What will more likely change the perspective of someone who wears a MAGA hat- ridiculing someone you don't know much about other than a quick glimpse on social media or educating them about the reality of the fact that Trump and his supporters are generally making America worse, not great? 

    Don't get me wrong, I have the save gut reaction to anyone wearing a MAGA hat- "You're an idiot!"  But telling them that might not be the best way to change their mind or reverse the tide of what many of us see as an ever worsening of America.  It's easy to do the former, damn hard to do the latter.  I'm sometimes guilty of making the wrong choice that way.

    Honestly Brian... I don't think there is any changing a MAGA guy. I think their character has been forged from day one and they are as set in their ways as anyone could be.

    I think the real question is how do you keep someone from becoming a MAGA guy before they become a MAGA guy (even if upbringing is somewhat damning)?
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    edited January 26
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Bri to me it is very simple, don’t judge a book by its cover. 
    If I walk around town wearing a 49ers hat and hoody... I’m advertising where my loyalties are.

    If I show up to a conservative rally wearing a MAGA hat on... I’m advertising where my values rest.
    Apples to oranges. You root for a team plain and simple. Politics are way more complex because of all the issues. 

    So what is a guy wearing a MAGA hat doing wearing it? Was it simply a random selection between that one, the John Deere one, or the Winchester one? There's maybe a few random selections out there, but for the majority of MAGA hat wearers... they're flaunting their value sets embodied by the orange one and his rhetoric.

    It's not apples to oranges. It's exactly the same thing. Unlike every other era... US politics is not that complicated at the moment.

    Edit: Not that complicated with regards to how people should view their president.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 20,173
    The thing about wearing a MAGA hat for me is that the wearer is endorsing a POTUS who lies 15 times a day on average, who’s policies are not grounded in reality and are based on lies, who has denigrated every aspect of our democratic republic, only cares about himself and who has colluded with a foreign power to undermine and steal an election, among many other transgressions (good people on both sides, etc.) There is no peeling away single issues, like gun control or tax policy, from what that hat represents. Furthermore, I highly doubt that facts, reasoning or any kind of attempt at trying to persuade them with reason is going to change their viewpoint. The only thing left is ridicule, scorn, contempt and shunning. They’re lost.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 14,859
    these kids come from an area thats fairly republican, growing up in households that are republican, go to a catholic high school that by definition is conservative(in spite of the jesus part) in DC  for a pro life march. AND they are teenage boys, which by most definitions make them assholes, born in a time where trolling is sport.

    we choose to make the focus on them and the native dude(one whos history has been sugarcpated a bit) but largely ignore the instigators here. 4 men, excersizing free speech. rude uncivilized speech, at the memorial site for the man who oversaw the ending of slavery on MLK weekend. spewing garbage at passers by, for seemingly no other purpose than they could.
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  • stuckinlinestuckinline Posts: 2,502
    edited January 26
    mickeyrat said:
    emotions need tempered. all too often on antisocial media , folks lead with their emotions on a given topic or event and all too often something is missed.

    I think the more emotionally enraged/engaged on a subject it has the inverse effect of critical thinking lessening.


    at first blush I was kinda offended at not being tagged (included in the group). But is it really that important in the grand scheme of things? I have decided that no it isnt. at all.

    good vibes requested for a former member , i shit and i stink who lost his mother to cancer this morning.
    mickeyrat, so sorry for his or her loss. 
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,118
    mcgruff10 said:
    You are completely wrong Del.  Just because you have a MAGA hat doesn’t mean you support all of trump’s policies. I voted for Obama twice and had his election stickers on my truck. Does that automatically mean that I was for gun control?  Obviously the answer is no. Don’t paint everyone with a broad stroke because if you do then you are just like the president you despise. 
    Excellent point
  • SmellymanSmellyman AsiaPosts: 3,693
    The thing about wearing a MAGA hat for me is that the wearer is endorsing a POTUS who lies 15 times a day on average, who’s policies are not grounded in reality and are based on lies, who has denigrated every aspect of our democratic republic, only cares about himself and who has colluded with a foreign power to undermine and steal an election, among many other transgressions (good people on both sides, etc.) There is no peeling away single issues, like gun control or tax policy, from what that hat represents. Furthermore, I highly doubt that facts, reasoning or any kind of attempt at trying to persuade them with reason is going to change their viewpoint. The only thing left is ridicule, scorn, contempt and shunning. They’re lost.

    Even excellenter post
  • mcgruff10 said:
    You are completely wrong Del.  Just because you have a MAGA hat doesn’t mean you support all of trump’s policies. I voted for Obama twice and had his election stickers on my truck. Does that automatically mean that I was for gun control?  Obviously the answer is no. Don’t paint everyone with a broad stroke because if you do then you are just like the president you despise. 

    Okay so then seriously tell me this: which Trump policies would a MAGA hat wearing guy support that are respectable? What about Trump should a person like me take into consideration when judging a guy that endorses him with a hat or tattoo on his ass?

    What have I missed about McDonald that I should respect?

    Anyone?

    Can anyone list two items of relative significance that we can credit Trump for so that I might be able to respect a MAGA hat wearer? Exactly what is the upside to this guy and why should I respect him and his followers?

    Halifax listed a bunch of items that lend credit to my initial assertion. Is there anything to the contrary (outside of Hillary) that speaks to the value of Trump? 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 18,951
    mcgruff10 said:
    You are completely wrong Del.  Just because you have a MAGA hat doesn’t mean you support all of trump’s policies. I voted for Obama twice and had his election stickers on my truck. Does that automatically mean that I was for gun control?  Obviously the answer is no. Don’t paint everyone with a broad stroke because if you do then you are just like the president you despise. 

    Okay so then seriously tell me this: which Trump policies would a MAGA hat wearing guy support that are respectable? What about Trump should a person like me take into consideration when judging a guy that endorses him with a hat or tattoo on his ass?

    What have I missed about McDonald that I should respect?

    Anyone?

    Can anyone list two items of relative significance that we can credit Trump for so that I might be able to respect a MAGA hat wearer? Exactly what is the upside to this guy and why should I respect him and his followers?

    Halifax listed a bunch of items that lend credit to my initial assertion. Is there anything to the contrary (outside of Hillary) that speaks to the value of Trump? 
    You obviously wouldn’t respect them because you are on the opposite end of the political spectrum. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 20,173
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    You are completely wrong Del.  Just because you have a MAGA hat doesn’t mean you support all of trump’s policies. I voted for Obama twice and had his election stickers on my truck. Does that automatically mean that I was for gun control?  Obviously the answer is no. Don’t paint everyone with a broad stroke because if you do then you are just like the president you despise. 

    Okay so then seriously tell me this: which Trump policies would a MAGA hat wearing guy support that are respectable? What about Trump should a person like me take into consideration when judging a guy that endorses him with a hat or tattoo on his ass?

    What have I missed about McDonald that I should respect?

    Anyone?

    Can anyone list two items of relative significance that we can credit Trump for so that I might be able to respect a MAGA hat wearer? Exactly what is the upside to this guy and why should I respect him and his followers?

    Halifax listed a bunch of items that lend credit to my initial assertion. Is there anything to the contrary (outside of Hillary) that speaks to the value of Trump? 
    You obviously wouldn’t respect them because you are on the opposite end of the political spectrum. 
    Give us a try. Put out one or two of Team Trump Treason’s policy positions and the reasons why a non-MAGA hat wearer should respect the MAGA hat.
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  • mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    You are completely wrong Del.  Just because you have a MAGA hat doesn’t mean you support all of trump’s policies. I voted for Obama twice and had his election stickers on my truck. Does that automatically mean that I was for gun control?  Obviously the answer is no. Don’t paint everyone with a broad stroke because if you do then you are just like the president you despise. 

    Okay so then seriously tell me this: which Trump policies would a MAGA hat wearing guy support that are respectable? What about Trump should a person like me take into consideration when judging a guy that endorses him with a hat or tattoo on his ass?

    What have I missed about McDonald that I should respect?

    Anyone?

    Can anyone list two items of relative significance that we can credit Trump for so that I might be able to respect a MAGA hat wearer? Exactly what is the upside to this guy and why should I respect him and his followers?

    Halifax listed a bunch of items that lend credit to my initial assertion. Is there anything to the contrary (outside of Hillary) that speaks to the value of Trump? 
    You obviously wouldn’t respect them because you are on the opposite end of the political spectrum. 

    Try me on for size. I'm not on the other end of the spectrum and you know this. 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,723
    edited January 27
    I am with him on the prison reform bill he signed.  This isn’t enough to make me think he isn’t horrible, but I am with him.

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  • OnWis97 said:
    I am with him on the prison reform bill he signed.  This isn’t enough to make me think he isn’t horrible, but I am with him.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/2373992002

    Looks like both sides worked together here.

    I'll accept this as one. It's significant.

    How about another?
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 27,250
    brianlux said:
    If people cannot understand the symbolism of the MAGA hat then that is on them. It’s not a challenging item of information to misinterpret.

    It’s one thing to support McDonald and his dogshit mess in the hopes that maybe there’s method in the madness... it’s a whole other thing to proudly flaunt it.

    In my mind, one can safely be stereotyped wearing a MAGA hat. One cannot safely be stereotyped by the basis of their skin colour.
    I pretty much agree with everything you said her, Thirty.  But maybe a good question to ask is, What will more likely change the perspective of someone who wears a MAGA hat- ridiculing someone you don't know much about other than a quick glimpse on social media or educating them about the reality of the fact that Trump and his supporters are generally making America worse, not great? 

    Don't get me wrong, I have the save gut reaction to anyone wearing a MAGA hat- "You're an idiot!"  But telling them that might not be the best way to change their mind or reverse the tide of what many of us see as an ever worsening of America.  It's easy to do the former, damn hard to do the latter.  I'm sometimes guilty of making the wrong choice that way.

    Honestly Brian... I don't think there is any changing a MAGA guy. I think their character has been forged from day one and they are as set in their ways as anyone could be.

    I think the real question is how do you keep someone from becoming a MAGA guy before they become a MAGA guy (even if upbringing is somewhat damning)?
    That makes excellent sense.  Good point, well taken.
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  • SmellymanSmellyman AsiaPosts: 3,693
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    If people cannot understand the symbolism of the MAGA hat then that is on them. It’s not a challenging item of information to misinterpret.

    It’s one thing to support McDonald and his dogshit mess in the hopes that maybe there’s method in the madness... it’s a whole other thing to proudly flaunt it.

    In my mind, one can safely be stereotyped wearing a MAGA hat. One cannot safely be stereotyped by the basis of their skin colour.
    I pretty much agree with everything you said her, Thirty.  But maybe a good question to ask is, What will more likely change the perspective of someone who wears a MAGA hat- ridiculing someone you don't know much about other than a quick glimpse on social media or educating them about the reality of the fact that Trump and his supporters are generally making America worse, not great? 

    Don't get me wrong, I have the save gut reaction to anyone wearing a MAGA hat- "You're an idiot!"  But telling them that might not be the best way to change their mind or reverse the tide of what many of us see as an ever worsening of America.  It's easy to do the former, damn hard to do the latter.  I'm sometimes guilty of making the wrong choice that way.

    Honestly Brian... I don't think there is any changing a MAGA guy. I think their character has been forged from day one and they are as set in their ways as anyone could be.

    I think the real question is how do you keep someone from becoming a MAGA guy before they become a MAGA guy (even if upbringing is somewhat damning)?
    That makes excellent sense.  Good point, well taken.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 20,173
    OnWis97 said:
    I am with him on the prison reform bill he signed.  This isn’t enough to make me think he isn’t horrible, but I am with him.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/2373992002
    Were you with the prison sentencing reform bill during the crack epidemic? And why now? Because a whole slew of white folk in suburbia are opioid addicts, like Rushbo? Ever wonder why the African American population percentage has been static during your life time? Of course not.
     
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,723
    edited January 27
    OnWis97 said:
    I am with him on the prison reform bill he signed.  This isn’t enough to make me think he isn’t horrible, but I am with him.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/2373992002
    Were you with the prison sentencing reform bill during the crack epidemic? And why now? Because a whole slew of white folk in suburbia are opioid addicts, like Rushbo? Ever wonder why the African American population percentage has been static during your life time? Of course not.
     
    Yes.  Mandatory sentences for crack (way higher than powder coke) were obviously racist.  But that’s not the point.  The point is that I’ll give Trump credit on those rare occasions it’s due.  But it doesn’t make him a great (or even adequate) president or person.  It’s in response to the “if he cured cancer” stuff.  And if he did, he’d still be a terrible president.

    But my gosh, there’s some truth to the theme.  I gave Trump about the only nod I could think of and you essentially called me a racist.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 20,173
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I am with him on the prison reform bill he signed.  This isn’t enough to make me think he isn’t horrible, but I am with him.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/2373992002
    Were you with the prison sentencing reform bill during the crack epidemic? And why now? Because a whole slew of white folk in suburbia are opioid addicts, like Rushbo? Ever wonder why the African American population percentage has been static during your life time? Of course not.
     
    Yes.  Mandatory sentences for crack (way higher than powder coke) were obviously racist.  But that’s not the point.  The point is that I’ll give Trump credit on those rare occasions it’s due.  But it doesn’t make him a great (or even adequate) president or person.  It’s in response to the “if he cured cancer” stuff.  And if he did, he’d still be a terrible president.

    But my gosh, there’s some truth to the theme.  I gave Trump about the only nod I could think of and you essentially called me a racist.
    But for a repub congress during 8 years of Obama and Jared Dear Boy’s dad being locked up, as well as some very close Team Trump Treason associates about to be locked up and voila, you have prison sentencing reform. I don’t think you’re racist as much as giving too much credit to Team Trump Treason. Without Jared Dear Boy he’d still be playing fireman. It’ll be interesting who gets to take advantage of said change in the law.
     
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 12,079
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,723
    I’m not really giving him lots of credit.  All he really did was sign a rare bipartisan bill.  The only other positive thing I can think of is his cameo on the Fresh Prince of Bel Air.

    Again the point is you can give him credit and still be horrified by the whole treasonous circus.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 20,173
    OnWis97 said:
    I’m not really giving him lots of credit.  All he really did was sign a rare bipartisan bill.  The only other positive thing I can think of is his cameo on the Fresh Prince of Bel Air.

    Again the point is you can give him credit and still be horrified by the whole treasonous circus.
    I hear what you’re saying but the criminal justice reform bill already had massive bi/partisan support. All Team Trump Treason did was sign it. It’s not like he brought two opposing sides together, cajoled members of both parties to see his way and then built a consensus to get a bill passed. And if you asked him today what the bill does, he’d spout off about the wall.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 9,991
    edited January 27
    OnWis97 said:
    I am with him on the prison reform bill he signed.  This isn’t enough to make me think he isn’t horrible, but I am with him.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/2373992002
    I can agree that prison reform is sorely needed. I haven’t read this whole bill so I can’t comment on specifics, but if it is as portrayed its a good thing. 

    I wonder if even a single MAGA hat wearing individual would list “prison reform” as feature of Trump’s platform that they like, though. 
     
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  • OnWis97 said:
    I am with him on the prison reform bill he signed.  This isn’t enough to make me think he isn’t horrible, but I am with him.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/2373992002
    I can agree that prison reform is sorely needed. I haven’t read this whole bill so I can’t comment on specifics, but if it is as portrayed its a good thing. 

    I wonder if even a single MAGA hat wearing individual would list “prison reform” as feature of Trump’s platform that they like, though. 
     
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    edited January 27
    Still waiting on another. It won’t be coming. I think the point has been made: you can make some pretty safe assumptions about MAGAs.

    To clarify... I don’t think it would be fair to say one can safely stereotype any Trump supporter- just the really enthusiastic ones that wear the team gear.

    On to the next topic.
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