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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,269
    mcgruff10 said:
    I think they acted like typical asshole teenagers with bad adult supervision.  Like I said, take away the MAGA hat and this story isn't written.
    Here's a real good article I just read about the event:
    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/3-groups-many-videos-many-interpretations-dc-encounter-220353292.html
    I can hardly believe you're saying this Scruffy. It's feels like a parallel to "grab 'em by the pussy" being standard locker room talk.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,650
    PJ_Soul said:
    I can hardly believe you're saying this Scruffy. It's feels like a parallel to "grab 'em by the pussy" being standard locker room talk.
    I think that is a huge stretch. 
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,269
    edited January 2019
    I think that is a huge stretch. 
    How so? My point is that both claims seriously underestimate the seriousness of the behavior.
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  • jeffbr said:
    Sure, but rather than get into a boy's face and beat his drum, why didn't he take his dudes and confront the Black Hebrew Israelites instead, to shut them up? They appear to have been the main instigators. Instead he walked right into the kid's space, put the drum right in his face, and banged away. Seemed like a bit of a taunt to me. I don't necessarily have a problem with the non-violent way he acted, but think the energy would have been better spent on the loudest, most obnoxious and inflammatory group there. He picked the easy target, I guess. But that has also led to people questioning his motives, which likely wouldn't have happened had he targeted the more deserving shitbags.
    Maybe he identifies more with the black Israelites than the white privileged? I dunno.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,650
    PJ_Soul said:
    How so? My point is that both claims seriously underestimate the seriousness of the behavior.
    An adult male talking about grabbing a women by her pussy vs what the kids did in that video are equal to you?  

    I dint think so. Donald wasn’t mocked for his religion, berated for his color, and called numerous derogatory names, including calling his friend the n-word before he said what he said. These are kids. I already stated what I thought in regards to who failed here, and the kids certainly ended up not living up to the standard they should. But sheesh this is no where close to what you are talking about.


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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,650
    Maybe he identifies more with the black Israelites than the white privileged? I dunno.
    He is a grown man that decided to march into a group of kids and beat a drum and chant. They don’t know his chant. It was stupid move regardless of intention. He has his share of the blame for this situation...although again, not the root cause.


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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Social media and the social media mobs suck and are a stain on modern society... people ready to find outrage with anything and everything, even just a picture or 10 second video clip... what a joke

  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,269
    edited January 2019
    An adult male talking about grabbing a women by her pussy vs what the kids did in that video are equal to you?  

    I dint think so. Donald wasn’t mocked for his religion, berated for his color, and called numerous derogatory names, including calling his friend the n-word before he said what he said. These are kids. I already stated what I thought in regards to who failed here, and the kids certainly ended up not living up to the standard they should. But sheesh this is no where close to what you are talking about.


    No, I did not at all say that they are equal to me. I said they're comparable because both underestimate the seriousness of bad behaviour. I already spelled that out for you.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,829
    An adult male talking about grabbing a women by her pussy vs what the kids did in that video are equal to you?  

    I dint think so. Donald wasn’t mocked for his religion, berated for his color, and called numerous derogatory names, including calling his friend the n-word before he said what he said. These are kids. I already stated what I thought in regards to who failed here, and the kids certainly ended up not living up to the standard they should. But sheesh this is no where close to what you are talking about.


    she's not comparing one act to another. she's comparing the excuses/explanation made/given for each as it relates to that relative act. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,269
    she's not comparing one act to another. she's comparing the excuses/explanation made/given for each as it relates to that relative act. 
    Yes, thank you. Cincy's response is a reminder of why some people flip out when people draw parallels between Trump's behaviour and tactics and Hitler's. For some reason their brains don't seem capable of acknowledging the difference between certain drawn parallels and saying two things are exactly the same. It's annoying.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,650
    PJ_Soul said:
    No, I did not at all say that they are equal to me. I said they're comparable because both underestimate the seriousness of bad behaviour. I already spelled that out for you.
    You already spelled it out? Ok then. What a shitty response.  i should Ms known better than to try and have a conversation with you, so that’s my fault.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,650
    PJ_Soul said:
    Yes, thank you. Cincy's response is a reminder of why some people flip out when people draw parallels between Trump's behaviour and tactics and Hitler's. For some reason their brains don't seem capable of acknowledging the difference between certain drawn parallels and saying two things are exactly the same. It's annoying.
    Oh fuck off
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  • Oh fuck off
    Take that shit to the toxic masculinity thread.
     
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,829
    PJ_Soul said:
    Yes, thank you. Cincy's response is a reminder of why some people flip out when people draw parallels between Trump's behaviour and tactics and Hitler's. For some reason their brains don't seem capable of acknowledging the difference between certain drawn parallels and saying two things are exactly the same. It's annoying.
    in fairness, there have been times where I have been you and you have been cincy. I know there have been times where I've been cincy. it's a simple misunderstanding of the point being made. It certainly doesn't call for the comment I bolded. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,650
    Why so sexist?
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,269
    in fairness, there have been times where I have been you and you have been cincy. I know there have been times where I've been cincy. it's a simple misunderstanding of the point being made. It certainly doesn't call for the comment I bolded. 
    I disagree. Please post evidence where I've not been able to grasp this concept and I'll believe you. But I think I never have an issue understanding it.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,269
    Oh fuck off
    Ooooo. You're so touchy today! :lol:
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  • Because there isn’t a “toxic femininity” thread.
     
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  • my2hands said:
    Social media and the social media mobs suck and are a stain on modern society... people ready to find outrage with anything and everything, even just a picture or 10 second video clip... what a joke

    I think many of the people passed off would have been pissed off had they been there too.

    What do you want from people? Cold indifference?

    You should feel good that people get pissed off when a bunch of shit kids act like assholes. If it generated no voiced displeasure... what would that say about society?
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,829
    PJ_Soul said:
    I disagree. Please post evidence where I've not been able to grasp this concept and I'll believe you. But I think I never have an issue understanding it.
    oh jesus. I had a feeling you'd say this, but I was hoping you wouldn't. it is absolutely ludicrous to assert you have understood every single time anyone's ever made a comment based on this concept. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,269
    edited January 2019
    oh jesus. I had a feeling you'd say this, but I was hoping you wouldn't. it is absolutely ludicrous to assert you have understood every single time anyone's ever made a comment based on this concept. 
    Hey, I'm just asking for proof. That seems pretty reasonable to me, and no, it's not ludicrous to assert that I've understood the concept when confronted with it, but to ask for evidence in case I'm mistaken. It's ludicrous to suggest that it's impossible, lol.
    Wtf happened here on the AMT in the past month? Everybody is so fucking on edge!
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  • PJ_Soul said:
    Hey, I'm just asking for proof. That seems pretty reasonable to me, and no, it's not ludicrous to assert that I've understood the concept when confronted with it, but to ask for evidence in case I'm mistaken. It's ludicrous to suggest that it's impossible, lol.
    Wtf happened here on the AMT in the past month? Everybody is so fucking on edge!
    I prefer “sensitive.”
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,829
    PJ_Soul said:
    Hey, I'm just asking for proof. That seems pretty reasonable to me, and no, it's not ludicrous to assert that I've understood the concept when confronted with it, but to ask for evidence in case I'm mistaken. It's ludicrous to suggest that it's impossible, lol.
    Wtf happened here on the AMT in the past month? Everybody is so fucking on edge!
    and there you go again. the "sensitivity" nonsense. I'm not on edge. I'm just saying it's so ridiculous to assert what you are asserting. I even stated "I'm sure I've been cincy" in other conversations. 

    no one is "on edge", it just sometimes gets exasperating having conversations with people who are never, have never, and probably never will be wrong in their own eyes. and if they are wrong, it's the fault of the person they are speaking to for not explaining their point properly. 

    it's exhausting. 
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,650
    PJ_Soul said:
    Hey, I'm just asking for proof. That seems pretty reasonable to me, and no, it's not ludicrous to assert that I've understood the concept when confronted with it, but to ask for evidence in case I'm mistaken. It's ludicrous to suggest that it's impossible, lol.
    Wtf happened here on the AMT in the past month? Everybody is so fucking on edge!

    Just wow....you make a post that someone's brain can't comprehend ....then you make a post where you understand everything all the time....

    I think for me I'm on edge cause generally I dislike your posts.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,269
    and there you go again. the "sensitivity" nonsense. I'm not on edge. I'm just saying it's so ridiculous to assert what you are asserting. I even stated "I'm sure I've been cincy" in other conversations. 

    no one is "on edge", it just sometimes gets exasperating having conversations with people who are never, have never, and probably never will be wrong in their own eyes. and if they are wrong, it's the fault of the person they are speaking to for not explaining their point properly. 

    it's exhausting. 
    I'm not sure who in the world you're describing, but I'm not one of those people who is never wrong. I admit when I'm wrong all the time. I just don't think I've done what you said in this case. And I'm open to being proven wrong - that why I asked for examples.

    But seriously, yeah, some people have been SUPER sensitive around here lately (Halifax's word, not mine, lol!). Is seasonal affective disorder setting in for you folks or what?
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,269

    Just wow....you make a post that someone's brain can't comprehend ....then you make a post where you understand everything all the time....

    I think for me I'm on edge cause generally I dislike your posts.
    No, I didn't say I understand everything all the time. I said I understand this particular concept.
    But just wow... I am now impressed with myself for making posts that have such power over your mood, lol.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    I think many of the people passed off would have been pissed off had they been there too.

    What do you want from people? Cold indifference?

    You should feel good that people get pissed off when a bunch of shit kids act like assholes. If it generated no voiced displeasure... what would that say about society?
    I'm not just talking about this latest bs... but you think what happened there is national news? People are ready to string those kids up like nazi's over nothing... what did they even do? People see those red hats and are ready to jump, plain and simple

    And MOST of the people acting pissed off, acted like assholes a few times when they were kids, likely in worse ways, now have forgotten and think their shit doesnt stink. I'm not fucking buying it
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,650
    PJ_Soul said:
    No, I didn't say I understand everything all the time. I said I understand this particular concept.
    But just wow... I am now impressed with myself for making posts that have such power over your mood, lol.
    Don't be too impressed.  The company you keep is not the company you want.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,650
    my2hands said:
    I'm not just talking about this latest bs... but you think what happened there is national news? People are ready to string those kids up like nazi's over nothing... what did they even do? People see those red hats and are ready to jump, plain and simple

    And MOST of the people acting pissed off, acted like assholes a few times when they were kids, likely in worse ways, now have forgotten and think their shit doesnt stink. I'm not fucking buying it
    There is a reason high school kids have chaperones and adults don't.  Well there should be.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,845
    my2hands said:
    I'm not just talking about this latest bs... but you think what happened there is national news? People are ready to string those kids up like nazi's over nothing... what did they even do? People see those red hats and are ready to jump, plain and simple

    And MOST of the people acting pissed off, acted like assholes a few times when they were kids, likely in worse ways, now have forgotten and think their shit doesnt stink. I'm not fucking buying it
    Agree.  This kid's life could potentially be ruined because he wore a MAGA hat and smirked at a 70 year old playing a drum in his face?  Like I said before, the kids were typical asshole teenagers with really bad supervision.  Give the kid a Saturday detention or suspend him from future trips.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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