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Immigration reform? Yes, sorely needed. However, not without getting something back (DACA). A wall, that Mexico was paying for, does not an immigration policy reform make. I’d be willing to bet that Chuck and Nancy’s immigration reform ideas are in the annals of the Congressional Record and perhaps in the DACA bills that they allowed to hit the floor for votes, either as majority or minority leaders. If my memory serves, the repubs walked away when Obama was president and Team Trump Treason walked away from both sides of Congress when he had his precious $5BB included. Did you really expect Chuck and Nancy to express an immigration reform policy in an 8 minute rebuttal to the petulant child who offered no further details and no substance? Further, don’t you think illegal immigration is a broader problem than just the US’? Why are we going it alone? Right, because Team Trump Treason doesn’t believe in alliances or developing partnerships to address issues of mutual concern, being the master deal maker that he is.
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No they didn't. I was being sarcastic. A lot of my posts are sarcastic these days.tbergs said:
I didn't watch and can't tell if this is sarcasm or a real assessment of their rebuttal. Did they lie too?dignin said:
Yeah, they lied just as much as Trump. So awful.cincybearcat said:
Yeah I kept thinking of that during his awful speech.josevolution said:Idiot in chief is a disgrace , how many kids were killed in parkland? Where was his outrage back then ? I’d say mass shootings are national emergency
and I can’t bekieve how awful Nancy and Chuck were. They made trump look better.0 -
I guess they will? I mean yeah, I can't really see any other realistic option. The effects of this are already going way beyond the 800,000 federal employees who are fucked. It's going to do enormous harm to the economy, already it's causing major problems at airports, creating massive backlogs for all kinds of things where people have to submit applications for this and that, which of course has further reaching consequences across basically every sector in the country.... etc etc. Trump and friends literally had no clue what the actual consequences of a long shut down could be, and still don't seem to have the intellectual capacity to understand the details of them. It's so fucked up.HughFreakingDillon said:
my wife was asking about this yesterday, as she knows I follow this stuff, and she largely doesn't. if he lets this go much longer, it will be catastrophic, for his viability as a 2 term prez, and for the 800,000 families that are currently dealing without at least one of their incomes. he just doesn't give a fuck. did you see the video of the reporter asking what plans he has for a safety net for the workers not receiving pay? he said "the safety net would be the safety of a wall on the southern border". he has absolutely zero clue about what it's like to have a finite amount of money that runs out VERY quickly.PJ_Soul said:So Trump walked out of the talks at the WH with Dems about reopening government. When they wouldn't say they'd fund the wall, he ended it. So..... Now what? Trump obviously can't just keep the government shut down indefinitely, and the Dems have to stand strong against his demands, because anything less would be the same as caving to ransom demands. How long will it take Trump to admit the government can't stay shut down?? How long can America take the shut down without really dire long term harm? Maybe another few weeks at most?
his advisors are eventually going to force him to cave, Anne Coulter or no Anne Coulter.
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Just don't fly till this is over loljesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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Our Country is doing so well in so many ways. Great jobs numbers, with a record setting December. We are rebuilding our military. Vets finally have Choice & Accountability. Economy & GDP are strong. Tax & Reg cuts historic. Trade deals great. But we MUST fix our Southern Border!
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How about those 250K veterans not getting paid? So much winning!
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I wish this shutdown was over gun control. It’s maybe the only 1 issue I could support this for.
but of course, trump ignoring the 15,000+ people killed each year by guns and worried more about the hundreds murdered by illegal immigrants.
Which is the national emergency?hippiemom = goodness0 -
Who cares, he's a piece of shit just for saying it... this is the leader of our country ffsmrussel1 said:
Read what he said... "I ordered them not send money IF THEY DON"T GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER". I'm paraphrasing, but you get the gist. What does it mean to get your act together? Who decides that? What are those metrics? It's bullshit. He's not going to do that.PJ_Soul said:
So should we assume that it's not actually true that he has ordered FEMA to send no more money unless (whatever) happens? Should we assume he didn't even speak to anyone with FEMA at all? It's hard to guess what he has and hasn't said. I'm tempted to believe literally nothing he says ever, but sometimes there is at least some half truths in there....Meltdown99 said:
My effort was a bad attempt at sarcasm. But I agree, he's trolling. Maybe even a little deflection to take some of the focus off a government shutdown.mrussel1 said:
I think everyone is overreacting to this CA thing. He's trolling.Meltdown99 said:
He could at least send them some rakes...Tiki said:
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What gun issue do you speak of as far as the GOP & NRA there is no gun issue , haven't you seen the hundreds of thousands pouring into our country this emergency makes the caravan look like a school parade ! i'm telling you better get soem fencing done to your yard make at least 11 feet to keep all these immigrants from taking over our neighborhoods ...cincybearcat said:I wish this shutdown was over gun control. It’s maybe the only 1 issue I could support this for.
but of course, trump ignoring the 15,000+ people killed each year by guns and worried more about the hundreds murdered by illegal immigrants.
Which is the national emergency?jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
Unfortunately, many people don't have too much of a choice, especially not when it comes to business travel.josevolution said:Just don't fly till this is over lol
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Yeah. I’m all for holding people accountable for $, but this is just the worst possible way.my2hands said:
Who cares, he's a piece of shit just for saying it... this is the leader of our country ffsmrussel1 said:
Read what he said... "I ordered them not send money IF THEY DON"T GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER". I'm paraphrasing, but you get the gist. What does it mean to get your act together? Who decides that? What are those metrics? It's bullshit. He's not going to do that.PJ_Soul said:
So should we assume that it's not actually true that he has ordered FEMA to send no more money unless (whatever) happens? Should we assume he didn't even speak to anyone with FEMA at all? It's hard to guess what he has and hasn't said. I'm tempted to believe literally nothing he says ever, but sometimes there is at least some half truths in there....Meltdown99 said:
My effort was a bad attempt at sarcasm. But I agree, he's trolling. Maybe even a little deflection to take some of the focus off a government shutdown.mrussel1 said:
I think everyone is overreacting to this CA thing. He's trolling.Meltdown99 said:
He could at least send them some rakes...Tiki said:
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Halifax2TheMax said:Fuck is Team Trump Treason a moron. And its all Chuck and Nancy's fault.
— not including the significant costs and legal resources required for land acquisition.
Peters’ spokesman Jacob Peters said the congressman used the $21.6 billion estimate because it "comes from the internal report done by the Department of Homeland Security."
"This estimate falls somewhere in the middle of the range of cost estimates," the spokesman added. "Because this report was commissioned by (Department of Homeland Security) Secretary Kelly, and is based on the Trump administration’s own planning process to build walls and fences to cover almost the entirety of the border that is not already fenced, it is the best current estimate for what President Trump is likely to ask Congress to appropriate to build his border wall."
We also used the $21.6 billion as our estimate.
Aircraft carrier cost
Finding the cost of the latest U.S. aircraft carrier is a bit easier. Peters’ spokesman pointed to a Congressional Research Service report from April 2017 that places the cost of each new "Navy Ford Class Aircraft Carrier" at approximately $12.9 billion.
That’s up from the $8.5 billion cost of carriers in the Navy’s most-recent Nimitz class, according to a Navy fact sheet.
The first carrier in the new class, the USS Gerald R. Ford, is expected to be commissioned later in 2017. It’s been described as "the most expensive and most advanced warship ever built."
Still, when we do the math, it appears Peters slightly underestimated his comparison: Building a $21.6 billion border wall would cost about 1.67 times the price of these new warships.
We asked Lynn Reaser, chief economist at Point Loma Nazarene University in San Diego to examine the cost figures.
Reaser told us the number "does appear to check out."
Our ruling
Democratic Congressman Scott Peters recently claimed the estimated price of President Trump’s border wall is the same as the cost of "one and a half aircraft carriers."
Peters used a $21.6 billion estimate, citing a leaked report from the Trump Administration’s Department of Homeland Security. That figure is within the $15 billion to $25 billion range produced by a private research firm.
Peters referenced the $12.9 billion price tag on the Navy’s newest class of aircraft carriers from a Congressional Research Service report.
At this early stage, no one knows how much Trump’s wall will really cost. Partisan sources have it all over the map. And delays and cost-overruns are common for large government projects: Just take a look at California’s massive high-speed railinitiative.
But Peters selected what appears to be the best initial estimate from Trump’s own homeland security analysts.
If anything, Peters slightly underestimates the 1.67 aircraft carriers the U.S. could build for the cost of Trump’s border wall.
We rate Congressman Peters' claim True.
I heard Peter King, Independent senator from Maine, describe it most simple, if the governor of Maine came beofre the legislature requesting money for a new school but they didn't say where it was going to go, how much it was going to cost, when it would be completed or how large it would be, they would be laughed out of the state. Team Trump Treason has not submitted any detailed plan to Congress on how the money would be used, that Mexico was going to provide. Idiocy. Madness.
I got a bit confused at the end there. That would be Angus King of Maine, as Peter King is just down the road a bit, here on Lawn Guy Land...place of the birth of the "Jam."0 -
Oops! My bad.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Fuck is Team Trump Treason a moron. And its all Chuck and Nancy's fault.— not including the significant costs and legal resources required for land acquisition.
Peters’ spokesman Jacob Peters said the congressman used the $21.6 billion estimate because it "comes from the internal report done by the Department of Homeland Security."
"This estimate falls somewhere in the middle of the range of cost estimates," the spokesman added. "Because this report was commissioned by (Department of Homeland Security) Secretary Kelly, and is based on the Trump administration’s own planning process to build walls and fences to cover almost the entirety of the border that is not already fenced, it is the best current estimate for what President Trump is likely to ask Congress to appropriate to build his border wall."
We also used the $21.6 billion as our estimate.
Aircraft carrier cost
Finding the cost of the latest U.S. aircraft carrier is a bit easier. Peters’ spokesman pointed to a Congressional Research Service report from April 2017 that places the cost of each new "Navy Ford Class Aircraft Carrier" at approximately $12.9 billion.
That’s up from the $8.5 billion cost of carriers in the Navy’s most-recent Nimitz class, according to a Navy fact sheet.
The first carrier in the new class, the USS Gerald R. Ford, is expected to be commissioned later in 2017. It’s been described as "the most expensive and most advanced warship ever built."
Still, when we do the math, it appears Peters slightly underestimated his comparison: Building a $21.6 billion border wall would cost about 1.67 times the price of these new warships.
We asked Lynn Reaser, chief economist at Point Loma Nazarene University in San Diego to examine the cost figures.
Reaser told us the number "does appear to check out."
Our ruling
Democratic Congressman Scott Peters recently claimed the estimated price of President Trump’s border wall is the same as the cost of "one and a half aircraft carriers."
Peters used a $21.6 billion estimate, citing a leaked report from the Trump Administration’s Department of Homeland Security. That figure is within the $15 billion to $25 billion range produced by a private research firm.
Peters referenced the $12.9 billion price tag on the Navy’s newest class of aircraft carriers from a Congressional Research Service report.
At this early stage, no one knows how much Trump’s wall will really cost. Partisan sources have it all over the map. And delays and cost-overruns are common for large government projects: Just take a look at California’s massive high-speed railinitiative.
But Peters selected what appears to be the best initial estimate from Trump’s own homeland security analysts.
If anything, Peters slightly underestimates the 1.67 aircraft carriers the U.S. could build for the cost of Trump’s border wall.
We rate Congressman Peters' claim True.
I heard Peter King, Independent senator from Maine, describe it most simple, if the governor of Maine came beofre the legislature requesting money for a new school but they didn't say where it was going to go, how much it was going to cost, when it would be completed or how large it would be, they would be laughed out of the state. Team Trump Treason has not submitted any detailed plan to Congress on how the money would be used, that Mexico was going to provide. Idiocy. Madness.
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I flew this week already. TSA pre was closed at 4pm. Two more trips this month upcoming.PJ_Soul said:
Unfortunately, many people don't have too much of a choice, especially not when it comes to business travel.josevolution said:Just don't fly till this is over lol0 -
I only have so much anger in a day. I'll save it for something real. These are all multi pronged distractions.my2hands said:
Who cares, he's a piece of shit just for saying it... this is the leader of our country ffsmrussel1 said:
Read what he said... "I ordered them not send money IF THEY DON"T GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER". I'm paraphrasing, but you get the gist. What does it mean to get your act together? Who decides that? What are those metrics? It's bullshit. He's not going to do that.PJ_Soul said:
So should we assume that it's not actually true that he has ordered FEMA to send no more money unless (whatever) happens? Should we assume he didn't even speak to anyone with FEMA at all? It's hard to guess what he has and hasn't said. I'm tempted to believe literally nothing he says ever, but sometimes there is at least some half truths in there....Meltdown99 said:
My effort was a bad attempt at sarcasm. But I agree, he's trolling. Maybe even a little deflection to take some of the focus off a government shutdown.mrussel1 said:
I think everyone is overreacting to this CA thing. He's trolling.Meltdown99 said:
He could at least send them some rakes...Tiki said:0 -
I haven't had to fly to or in the states in years...but of course I fly to Nashville next week. I have great timing.
Oh well, I will be traveling with a bunch of friends so no matter what happens we will make a good time of it.
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Fucking with and threatening fellow Americans dealing with a disaster is a line crossing that gets my full attention... people lost everything, and this fake tough guy wants to play politics? Fuck thatmrussel1 said:
I only have so much anger in a day. I'leverything l save it for something real. These are all multi pronged distractions.my2hands said:
Who cares, he's a piece of shit just for saying it... this is the leader of our country ffsmrussel1 said:
Read what he said... "I ordered them not send money IF THEY DON"T GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER". I'm paraphrasing, but you get the gist. What does it mean to get your act together? Who decides that? What are those metrics? It's bullshit. He's not going to do that.PJ_Soul said:
So should we assume that it's not actually true that he has ordered FEMA to send no more money unless (whatever) happens? Should we assume he didn't even speak to anyone with FEMA at all? It's hard to guess what he has and hasn't said. I'm tempted to believe literally nothing he says ever, but sometimes there is at least some half truths in there....Meltdown99 said:
My effort was a bad attempt at sarcasm. But I agree, he's trolling. Maybe even a little deflection to take some of the focus off a government shutdown.mrussel1 said:
I think everyone is overreacting to this CA thing. He's trolling.Meltdown99 said:
He could at least send them some rakes...Tiki said:0 -
Except he wont' do it. And that's the trap. This takes the discussion off the wall, which takes the disucssion off Mueller. One distraction after another.my2hands said:
Fucking with and threatening fellow Americans dealing with a disaster is a line crossing that gets my full attention... people lost everything, and this fake tough guy wants to play politics? Fuck thatmrussel1 said:
I only have so much anger in a day. I'leverything l save it for something real. These are all multi pronged distractions.my2hands said:
Who cares, he's a piece of shit just for saying it... this is the leader of our country ffsmrussel1 said:
Read what he said... "I ordered them not send money IF THEY DON"T GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER". I'm paraphrasing, but you get the gist. What does it mean to get your act together? Who decides that? What are those metrics? It's bullshit. He's not going to do that.PJ_Soul said:
So should we assume that it's not actually true that he has ordered FEMA to send no more money unless (whatever) happens? Should we assume he didn't even speak to anyone with FEMA at all? It's hard to guess what he has and hasn't said. I'm tempted to believe literally nothing he says ever, but sometimes there is at least some half truths in there....Meltdown99 said:
My effort was a bad attempt at sarcasm. But I agree, he's trolling. Maybe even a little deflection to take some of the focus off a government shutdown.mrussel1 said:
I think everyone is overreacting to this CA thing. He's trolling.Meltdown99 said:
He could at least send them some rakes...Tiki said:0 -
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