Canadian Politics Redux

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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    How's Tesla doing with their electric cars?  It's far easier to say than do, GM just axed the Volt.  The did not axe the volt because it was a money maker...

    They are closing a plant already tooled for electric vehicle production.
    going against big oil is a massive undertaking. changing global culture on this scale will take decades, unfortunately. people need to be motivated to buy electric, because it's costs more and is less convenient. what is the motivation? most people are selfish assholes who don't give a shit about the next generation and/or have convinced themselves it's not as dire as SCIENCE is saying. they think if they are the only ones on the block doing it, it won't make a difference so why bother. 

    there's too much money and power in oil, obviously, so not enough politicians who matter are getting behind renewables. there will outrage from the oil and auto sector because of all the jobs that will be lost. those politicians will be voted out because of short term economics. but we need to move forward. if we don't, we're fucking dead. 

    Your last statement is 100% correct and irrefutable (even though Donald feebly tries (spouting his nonsense while his moronic lemmings eagerly nod along and agree with it).

    But we'll exhaust this globe's oil supply before we ever abandon the resource to save ourselves. We're doomed my friend. Enjoy the ride.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Tesla has been around for 15 years.  They still don't make money, why?  If people can not afford electric vehicles they will never sell, oh and most of the world citizens are actually poor.  These people are not selfish, that is called living within your means.  How do you heat your home?  If you use gas, why do you not get it disconnected and get hydro heat installed?
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Meltdown99 said:
    Tesla has been around for 15 years.  They still don't make money, why?  If people can not afford electric vehicles they will never sell, oh and most of the world citizens are actually poor.  These people are not selfish, that is called living within your means.  How do you heat your home?  If you use gas, why do you not get it disconnected and get hydro heat installed?
    this is what I mean. unfortunately the government is going to have to intervene to nudge newer industries into the mainstream so they are affordable. 

    I posted this a few days ago, but I'll do it again:

    they aren't affordable because they are not currently mass produced. 
    they aren't mass produced yet because the demand is not yet there
    the demand is not yet there because they aren't affordable
    go back to the top, rinse, repeat. 

    the only reason the auto industry got to where it is today without government assistance is because cars were vastly superior to horse and buggies. electric cars, to my knowledge, are not vastly superior in noticeable performance (and possibly inferior in the "vroom vroom" category), just in responsibility. 

    I'm not talking about poor people. I'm talking about people who buy a monster truck for $70K because they "require" that type of power and towing/storage capacity. that is largely a north american phenomenon. go anywhere else in the world and you fit a family of 4 in a fucking clown car. in canada and the US, one person owns a 3 mile per gallon tank. it's ludicrous. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,675
    edited November 2018
    There are people with electric cars, and more all the time. I don't really get why you guys are talking as though that is going nowhere. Yes, of course, it's a slowly moving train. But it is moving. And just as soon as other nations REALLY pick up the market and get innovative, as Korea and China and some European countries are just starting to, we will see that change speed up considerably. I think we can count on that happening - on North America, the most car-obsessed part of the world by far, really starting a sea-change - within the next 20 years. Right now we're just seeing the beginning. Patience people.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Alberta will buy rail cars to move 120,000 barrels a day of stuck crude, Notley sayshttps://business.financialpost.com/commodities/energy/update-1-canadas-alberta-to-buy-rail-cars-expects-deal-within-weeks?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0EKMEpOOVm81Q6WnCKLlPiKpogK5wQaINM87QEH9Yyc97MLZ_07S0bu7Q#Echobox=1543428085

    LOL.  The feds own a pipeline that they bought, now Alberta is buying rail cars...
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    PJ_Soul said:
    There are people with electric cars, and more all the time. I don't really get why you guys are talking as though that is going nowhere. Yes, of course, it's a slowly moving train. But it is moving. And just as soon as other nations REALLY pick up the market and get innovative, as Korea and China and some European countries are just starting to, we will see that change speed up considerably. I think we can count on that happening - on North America, the most car-obsessed part of the world by far, really starting a sea-change - within the next 20 years. Right now we're just seeing the beginning. Patience people.
    it's been moving at a snail's pace. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,675
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    There are people with electric cars, and more all the time. I don't really get why you guys are talking as though that is going nowhere. Yes, of course, it's a slowly moving train. But it is moving. And just as soon as other nations REALLY pick up the market and get innovative, as Korea and China and some European countries are just starting to, we will see that change speed up considerably. I think we can count on that happening - on North America, the most car-obsessed part of the world by far, really starting a sea-change - within the next 20 years. Right now we're just seeing the beginning. Patience people.
    it's been moving at a snail's pace. 
    Yes. But it's still going to happen. For sure, without a doubt, and it will pick up quickly. The technology needed for it to is just now starting to make it truly viable.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    There are people with electric cars, and more all the time. I don't really get why you guys are talking as though that is going nowhere. Yes, of course, it's a slowly moving train. But it is moving. And just as soon as other nations REALLY pick up the market and get innovative, as Korea and China and some European countries are just starting to, we will see that change speed up considerably. I think we can count on that happening - on North America, the most car-obsessed part of the world by far, really starting a sea-change - within the next 20 years. Right now we're just seeing the beginning. Patience people.
    it's been moving at a snail's pace. 
    Yes. But it's still going to happen. For sure, without a doubt, and it will pick up quickly. The technology needed for it to is just now starting to make it truly viable.
    of course it's still going to happen, but I don't think it's going to be the norm soon enough. I mean, with the dire predictions by the UN on climate change, making gasoline cars illegal by 2050 could be too late. people are buying new gasoline cars all the time, and that's not going to slow down without regulation and/or deincentivization. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,675
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    There are people with electric cars, and more all the time. I don't really get why you guys are talking as though that is going nowhere. Yes, of course, it's a slowly moving train. But it is moving. And just as soon as other nations REALLY pick up the market and get innovative, as Korea and China and some European countries are just starting to, we will see that change speed up considerably. I think we can count on that happening - on North America, the most car-obsessed part of the world by far, really starting a sea-change - within the next 20 years. Right now we're just seeing the beginning. Patience people.
    it's been moving at a snail's pace. 
    Yes. But it's still going to happen. For sure, without a doubt, and it will pick up quickly. The technology needed for it to is just now starting to make it truly viable.
    of course it's still going to happen, but I don't think it's going to be the norm soon enough. I mean, with the dire predictions by the UN on climate change, making gasoline cars illegal by 2050 could be too late. people are buying new gasoline cars all the time, and that's not going to slow down without regulation and/or deincentivization. 
    Oh, I already think it's too late, lol. I think people should just stop having kids, because if they do, they'll just be subjecting them to a failing world. But I do think that electric cars will be very common long before 2050.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    They just had an auto analyst and she stated that it is trucks and SUV's that are selling and that they are the profit makers...not cars.  People who buy trucks and SUV's are not going to buy electric cars...where I live truck's and SUV's occupying people's driveways is increasing not decreasing...
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Meltdown99 said:
    They just had an auto analyst and she stated that it is trucks and SUV's that are selling and that they are the profit makers...not cars.  People who buy trucks and SUV's are not going to buy electric cars...where I live truck's and SUV's occupying people's driveways is increasing not decreasing...
    I agree. if the amount of truck vs car commercials are any indication, it's not even close. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,675
    edited November 2018
    Meltdown99 said:
    They just had an auto analyst and she stated that it is trucks and SUV's that are selling and that they are the profit makers...not cars.  People who buy trucks and SUV's are not going to buy electric cars...where I live truck's and SUV's occupying people's driveways is increasing not decreasing...
    They are going to buy them just as soon as the technology is there to make them powerful enough, and that isn't going to take all that long. Dude, your mind seems to be stuck in the present. (FYI, when I say "electric cars" I mean "electric vehicles"... and when I say "electric vehicles" I actually mean vehicles that don't need gas, lol. I'm also excited about fuel cell technology!)
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Ballot returns have improved in the last two weeks, but still below 40% at this point, though that number doesn't include ballots received by Canada Post and not yet turned over.

    I'm curious to see the vote breakdown. 

    https://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/voter-turnout-surges-in-b-c-referendum-with-island-leading-the-way-1.23515916
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,675
    oftenreading said:
    Ballot returns have improved in the last two weeks, but still below 40% at this point, though that number doesn't include ballots received by Canada Post and not yet turned over.

    I'm curious to see the vote breakdown. 

    https://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/voter-turnout-surges-in-b-c-referendum-with-island-leading-the-way-1.23515916
    Pathetic. The general populace never disappoints when it comes to being disappointing, lol.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    David St. Jacques in orbit, joining to crew at the ISS

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/canada-saint-jacques-launch-soyuz-1.4929760
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,675
    oftenreading said:
    David St. Jacques in orbit, joining to crew at the ISS

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/canada-saint-jacques-launch-soyuz-1.4929760
    Awesome.
    I love all things related to space exploration/space science so much, and am always glad when Canada is involved in it.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    When do? the results of your electoral reform come out?
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,675
    Meltdown99 said:
    When do? the results of your electoral reform come out?
    Well all ballots must be in by Dec 7th. I'm not really sure how long it's supposed to take to count them.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited December 2018
    I feel like fucking with some Canadians  :)
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    PJ_Soul said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    When do? the results of your electoral reform come out?
    Well all ballots must be in by Dec 7th. I'm not really sure how long it's supposed to take to count them.
    Keep us posted.  I'm curious as to the results.  Does the yes side figure they will win?
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