Canadian Politics Redux

HughFreakingDillon said:

and if you want to go even further, I believe it is perfectly legal for someone 12 and up to have alchohol at a restaurant or lounge as long as they are having a meal and are accompanied by an adult. 

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

and if you want to go even further, I believe it is perfectly legal for someone 12 and up to have alchohol at a restaurant or lounge as long as they are having a meal and are accompanied by an adult. 

12?

Seriously?

fife said:

Meltdown99 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

and if you want to go even further, I believe it is perfectly legal for someone 12 and up to have alchohol at a restaurant or lounge as long as they are having a meal and are accompanied by an adult. 

That must be a Manitoba thing, Hugh.  I've never heard of that here in Ontario.  It may be, just never heard.  12 is a way to young for alcohol consumption.  I worked with a fellow from Portugal, he started drinking wine at supper with his family at an early age.

as a Portuguese person, I had my first glass of wine at 6 years old but it was mixed in with some ginger ale.  my first glass of win by itself was at 7.  while I know some children aid society workers who be worried about that i really do believe that its not a real bad thing.  it allowed me to see the effects of alcohol and it also killed the mystic around drinking.  

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

fife said:

Meltdown99 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

and if you want to go even further, I believe it is perfectly legal for someone 12 and up to have alchohol at a restaurant or lounge as long as they are having a meal and are accompanied by an adult. 

That must be a Manitoba thing, Hugh.  I've never heard of that here in Ontario.  It may be, just never heard.  12 is a way to young for alcohol consumption.  I worked with a fellow from Portugal, he started drinking wine at supper with his family at an early age.

as a Portuguese person, I had my first glass of wine at 6 years old but it was mixed in with some ginger ale.  my first glass of win by itself was at 7.  while I know some children aid society workers who be worried about that i really do believe that its not a real bad thing.  it allowed me to see the effects of alcohol and it also killed the mystic around drinking.  

You back up what he told me.  He said, "it made him a more responsible drinker".  He never did say what age he was served wine, just that it was before the drinking age...

It's a common perception that earlier introduction to drinking within the family leads to fewer problems with alcohol, but what evidence is available suggests that isn't true. I knew I had read this in the past so I looked up some articles this morning and, while there aren't a lot of good studies, what evidence there is does not support the idea that drinking earlier leads to more responsible drinking. Teens in European countries with laxer drinking laws seems to have more, not fewer, problems with alcohol abuse.

Alcohol related motor vehicle crashes by young drivers also declined when the drinking age was raised in the US, which is a good thing.

Also, some countries have pretty weird drinking laws. Apparently in England the youngest that children are allowed to drink in a private setting is 6. Pardon me? It says a lot about a country that some committee thought about this and said "yeah, 5 seems to young to get smashed, but at 6 they can really hold their liquor". 

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

fife said:

Meltdown99 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

and if you want to go even further, I believe it is perfectly legal for someone 12 and up to have alchohol at a restaurant or lounge as long as they are having a meal and are accompanied by an adult. 

That must be a Manitoba thing, Hugh.  I've never heard of that here in Ontario.  It may be, just never heard.  12 is a way to young for alcohol consumption.  I worked with a fellow from Portugal, he started drinking wine at supper with his family at an early age.

as a Portuguese person, I had my first glass of wine at 6 years old but it was mixed in with some ginger ale.  my first glass of win by itself was at 7.  while I know some children aid society workers who be worried about that i really do believe that its not a real bad thing.  it allowed me to see the effects of alcohol and it also killed the mystic around drinking.  

You back up what he told me.  He said, "it made him a more responsible drinker".  He never did say what age he was served wine, just that it was before the drinking age...

It's a common perception that earlier introduction to drinking within the family leads to fewer problems with alcohol, but what evidence is available suggests that isn't true. I knew I had read this in the past so I looked up some articles this morning and, while there aren't a lot of good studies, what evidence there is does not support the idea that drinking earlier leads to more responsible drinking. Teens in European countries with laxer drinking laws seems to have more, not fewer, problems with alcohol abuse.

Alcohol related motor vehicle crashes by young drivers also declined when the drinking age was raised in the US, which is a good thing.

Also, some countries have pretty weird drinking laws. Apparently in England the youngest that children are allowed to drink in a private setting is 6. Pardon me? It says a lot about a country that some committee thought about this and said "yeah, 5 seems to young to get smashed, but at 6 they can really hold their liquor". 

You raise excellent points.  6 is ridiculous... How drunk were those committee members?

“Please, sir, can I have some more beer?”

my2hands said:

Remember the guy that ate the guys face on the bus a few years ago?

Did you maniacs let that guy go yet? lol

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

my2hands said:

Remember the guy that ate the guys face on the bus a few years ago?

Did you maniacs let that guy go yet? lol

Of course we did!

In February 2017, Li received an absolute discharge and is now living independently in a Manitoba community. The province's Criminal Code Review Board ruled he is no longer required to attend annual reviews or abide by conditions. He later changed his name to Will Lee Baker.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/greyhound-beheading-10th-anniversary-1.4760074

What the fuck?  Why is your legal system so lenient?

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

my2hands said:

Remember the guy that ate the guys face on the bus a few years ago?

Did you maniacs let that guy go yet? lol

Of course we did!

In February 2017, Li received an absolute discharge and is now living independently in a Manitoba community. The province's Criminal Code Review Board ruled he is no longer required to attend annual reviews or abide by conditions. He later changed his name to Will Lee Baker.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/greyhound-beheading-10th-anniversary-1.4760074

What the fuck?  Why is your legal system so lenient?

It's got nothing to do with the legal system being lenient. He was found NCRMD (not criminally responsible by reason of mental disorder), the rough equivalent to the US NGRI (not guilty by reason of insanity). At that point it leaves the criminal justice system entirely, like your NGRI acquittees, and enters another system. He was treated and monitored under that system until his risk was low enough that it could be well managed in the community, and then discharged to the civil mental health system, where he is still being monitored and treated.

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

my2hands said:

Remember the guy that ate the guys face on the bus a few years ago?

Did you maniacs let that guy go yet? lol

Of course we did!

In February 2017, Li received an absolute discharge and is now living independently in a Manitoba community. The province's Criminal Code Review Board ruled he is no longer required to attend annual reviews or abide by conditions. He later changed his name to Will Lee Baker.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/greyhound-beheading-10th-anniversary-1.4760074

What the fuck?  Why is your legal system so lenient?

LOL.  Lenient might an understatement.  The city where my father lives had a triple murder in '92, the loser killed a teenager with a gun, then went back and stabbed to death the teenager's grandparents who answered the door and saw them together.  He is on day parole ...