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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,231
    They oughta all walk off the job enmass.

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/immigrants-us-armed-forces

    I cant see how anyone serving would want to give their life for Team Trump Treason.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,958
    oftenreading said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    Would you allow undocumented immigrants access to healthcare and educational systems?

    Shit, they can get a drivers license here 
    No, you can't access our health care system without a health services card, and you can't enter a school without being documented either. And they certainly can't get a driver's license. You need official documentation to do stuff in Canada (that does include people in the process of applying for some level of legal status though). I don't know why Americans don't understand that people come to America because the US system makes it so much easier for them to do such things without being documented at all.
    And still there is an etimated 50,000 to 200,000 undocumented immigrants in Canada, because, of course, some people hire them and pay them under the table, and it's not that hard to find landlord willing to rent to people without credit checks and shit.
    And we get a bad name for how we treat undocumented immigrants? lol 

    So if a family has a 10 year old child that chikd will not be able to go to school or access healthcare? 

    Hillary got ROASTED in the 2008 primaries for hesitating whether she would support drivers licenses for undocumented workers... its become pretty obvious we are far more liberal and tolerant towards immigration than a lot of our western allies that like to do a lot of American shaming. Interesting.


    No, they will be allowed to go to school or access health care because their parents will be forced to enter the system one way or another. Also, it's not an anti-immigration tactic. It's simply a good administrative method for Canadians that doesn't happen to serve undocumented immigrants.
    I'm not too sure what your attitude is about lately, but suggesting that such a system is "treating undocumented immigrants badly" seems pretty off to me. I would say that people say that about America because they are treated like sub-humans by many Americans, and are subjected to amazing levels of racism and bigotry and anger, and the way the government acts when they do start proceedings against them, and the means they use to find them, is inhumane.
    Actually, any child in Canada, whether here legally or illegally, citizen or refugee, is eligible to go to school. Federal law prohibits schools from refusing to admit any child.

    Health care is another issue. All refugee claimants automatically get free health care while awaiting adjudication of their claims. Illegal immigrants typically don't, because typically the claims would be adjudicated quickly; however, because we are also getting a lot of illegal immigrants (walking over from the US), adjudication is taking longer, so those without status are also currently get temporary coverage. This is for more routine coverage; no one gets refused emergency coverage.
    Well that's good.... I actually was going off info suggesting that this was not a consistent thing, based on stuff like this:




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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    PJ_Soul said:
    oftenreading said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    Would you allow undocumented immigrants access to healthcare and educational systems?

    Shit, they can get a drivers license here 
    No, you can't access our health care system without a health services card, and you can't enter a school without being documented either. And they certainly can't get a driver's license. You need official documentation to do stuff in Canada (that does include people in the process of applying for some level of legal status though). I don't know why Americans don't understand that people come to America because the US system makes it so much easier for them to do such things without being documented at all.
    And still there is an etimated 50,000 to 200,000 undocumented immigrants in Canada, because, of course, some people hire them and pay them under the table, and it's not that hard to find landlord willing to rent to people without credit checks and shit.
    And we get a bad name for how we treat undocumented immigrants? lol 

    So if a family has a 10 year old child that chikd will not be able to go to school or access healthcare? 

    Hillary got ROASTED in the 2008 primaries for hesitating whether she would support drivers licenses for undocumented workers... its become pretty obvious we are far more liberal and tolerant towards immigration than a lot of our western allies that like to do a lot of American shaming. Interesting.


    No, they will be allowed to go to school or access health care because their parents will be forced to enter the system one way or another. Also, it's not an anti-immigration tactic. It's simply a good administrative method for Canadians that doesn't happen to serve undocumented immigrants.
    I'm not too sure what your attitude is about lately, but suggesting that such a system is "treating undocumented immigrants badly" seems pretty off to me. I would say that people say that about America because they are treated like sub-humans by many Americans, and are subjected to amazing levels of racism and bigotry and anger, and the way the government acts when they do start proceedings against them, and the means they use to find them, is inhumane.
    Actually, any child in Canada, whether here legally or illegally, citizen or refugee, is eligible to go to school. Federal law prohibits schools from refusing to admit any child.

    Health care is another issue. All refugee claimants automatically get free health care while awaiting adjudication of their claims. Illegal immigrants typically don't, because typically the claims would be adjudicated quickly; however, because we are also getting a lot of illegal immigrants (walking over from the US), adjudication is taking longer, so those without status are also currently get temporary coverage. This is for more routine coverage; no one gets refused emergency coverage.
    Well that's good.... I actually was going off info suggesting that this was not a consistent thing, based on stuff like this:




    Huh. It’s true that the article I read was from an Ontario source, but it was worded in such a way that it suggested it was federal law. Maybe I misunderstood. That sucks. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,958
    oftenreading said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    oftenreading said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    Would you allow undocumented immigrants access to healthcare and educational systems?

    Shit, they can get a drivers license here 
    No, you can't access our health care system without a health services card, and you can't enter a school without being documented either. And they certainly can't get a driver's license. You need official documentation to do stuff in Canada (that does include people in the process of applying for some level of legal status though). I don't know why Americans don't understand that people come to America because the US system makes it so much easier for them to do such things without being documented at all.
    And still there is an etimated 50,000 to 200,000 undocumented immigrants in Canada, because, of course, some people hire them and pay them under the table, and it's not that hard to find landlord willing to rent to people without credit checks and shit.
    And we get a bad name for how we treat undocumented immigrants? lol 

    So if a family has a 10 year old child that chikd will not be able to go to school or access healthcare? 

    Hillary got ROASTED in the 2008 primaries for hesitating whether she would support drivers licenses for undocumented workers... its become pretty obvious we are far more liberal and tolerant towards immigration than a lot of our western allies that like to do a lot of American shaming. Interesting.


    No, they will be allowed to go to school or access health care because their parents will be forced to enter the system one way or another. Also, it's not an anti-immigration tactic. It's simply a good administrative method for Canadians that doesn't happen to serve undocumented immigrants.
    I'm not too sure what your attitude is about lately, but suggesting that such a system is "treating undocumented immigrants badly" seems pretty off to me. I would say that people say that about America because they are treated like sub-humans by many Americans, and are subjected to amazing levels of racism and bigotry and anger, and the way the government acts when they do start proceedings against them, and the means they use to find them, is inhumane.
    Actually, any child in Canada, whether here legally or illegally, citizen or refugee, is eligible to go to school. Federal law prohibits schools from refusing to admit any child.

    Health care is another issue. All refugee claimants automatically get free health care while awaiting adjudication of their claims. Illegal immigrants typically don't, because typically the claims would be adjudicated quickly; however, because we are also getting a lot of illegal immigrants (walking over from the US), adjudication is taking longer, so those without status are also currently get temporary coverage. This is for more routine coverage; no one gets refused emergency coverage.
    Well that's good.... I actually was going off info suggesting that this was not a consistent thing, based on stuff like this:




    Huh. It’s true that the article I read was from an Ontario source, but it was worded in such a way that it suggested it was federal law. Maybe I misunderstood. That sucks. 
    No, I looked further when you said that, and it does seem like there is a national rule about this... but I'm now kind of thinking that this rule isn't necessarily followed the way it's supposed to be by some provinces...
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,102
    tempo_n_groove said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    America really isn't doing just fine. You will never convince me of that.

    I have been to America countless times (I was just there once again in fact) - I definitely know what it's like! And I like it a lot for many reasons. It's just not doing fine IMO. Not at all. That doesn't mean I think it's worse than a 3rd world country or anything. For a first world nation, it's not doing fine.
    How is it not?
    neo-nazi rallies excused by the PRESIDENT for just ONE. 
    Everybody forgets that he did denounce them.  This always seems to elude people.
    yeah, after saying some of them were good people. it didn't elude me. I just think it's BS. (I have given him credit where it has been due, there just hasn't been due). 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,231
    From the White House:

    “The so-called migrant caravan that's slowly making its way to the U.S. from Central America is many things to many people. But one thing seems pretty certain: it's not about seeking ‘asylum,’ or ‘refugee status.’ It's about getting to the United States at all costs,” the Investor’s Business Daily editorial board writes. “It's time we take our border seriously, or we'll end up like those countries in Europe and the Mideast who find their nations no longer governable.”

    What countries in Europe and the Middle East find themselves "no longer governable?"
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,958
    edited October 2018
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    From the White House:

    “The so-called migrant caravan that's slowly making its way to the U.S. from Central America is many things to many people. But one thing seems pretty certain: it's not about seeking ‘asylum,’ or ‘refugee status.’ It's about getting to the United States at all costs,” the Investor’s Business Daily editorial board writes. “It's time we take our border seriously, or we'll end up like those countries in Europe and the Mideast who find their nations no longer governable.”

    What countries in Europe and the Middle East find themselves "no longer governable?"
    I don't understand why they think these two things are mutually exclusive. Or, I should say, I don't understand why they think enough Americans are stupid enough to believe those things are mutually exclusive... Oh wait... Trump voters. Right.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,102
    PJ_Soul said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    From the White House:

    “The so-called migrant caravan that's slowly making its way to the U.S. from Central America is many things to many people. But one thing seems pretty certain: it's not about seeking ‘asylum,’ or ‘refugee status.’ It's about getting to the United States at all costs,” the Investor’s Business Daily editorial board writes. “It's time we take our border seriously, or we'll end up like those countries in Europe and the Mideast who find their nations no longer governable.”

    What countries in Europe and the Middle East find themselves "no longer governable?"
    I don't understand why they think these two things are mutually exclusive. Or, I should say, I don't understand why they think enough Americans are stupid enough to believe those things are mutually exclusive... Oh wait... Trump voters. Right.
    Fear works very well, on stupid people on non-stupid alike. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,958
    edited October 2018
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    From the White House:

    “The so-called migrant caravan that's slowly making its way to the U.S. from Central America is many things to many people. But one thing seems pretty certain: it's not about seeking ‘asylum,’ or ‘refugee status.’ It's about getting to the United States at all costs,” the Investor’s Business Daily editorial board writes. “It's time we take our border seriously, or we'll end up like those countries in Europe and the Mideast who find their nations no longer governable.”

    What countries in Europe and the Middle East find themselves "no longer governable?"
    I don't understand why they think these two things are mutually exclusive. Or, I should say, I don't understand why they think enough Americans are stupid enough to believe those things are mutually exclusive... Oh wait... Trump voters. Right.
    Fear works very well, on stupid people on non-stupid alike. 
    The Mideast reference is one huge dog whistle too. I can't fucking believe they are mixing Islamophobia into this issue.
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,512
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    From the White House:

    “The so-called migrant caravan that's slowly making its way to the U.S. from Central America is many things to many people. But one thing seems pretty certain: it's not about seeking ‘asylum,’ or ‘refugee status.’ It's about getting to the United States at all costs,” the Investor’s Business Daily editorial board writes. “It's time we take our border seriously, or we'll end up like those countries in Europe and the Mideast who find their nations no longer governable.”

    What countries in Europe and the Middle East find themselves "no longer governable?"
    I don't understand why they think these two things are mutually exclusive. Or, I should say, I don't understand why they think enough Americans are stupid enough to believe those things are mutually exclusive... Oh wait... Trump voters. Right.
    Fear works very well, on stupid people on non-stupid alike. 
    The Mideast reference is one huge dog whistle too. I can't fucking believe they are mixing Islamophobia into this issue.
    Exactly and I wonder who helped destabilize some of those middle east countries' governments they are referring to...
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    America really isn't doing just fine. You will never convince me of that.

    I have been to America countless times (I was just there once again in fact) - I definitely know what it's like! And I like it a lot for many reasons. It's just not doing fine IMO. Not at all. That doesn't mean I think it's worse than a 3rd world country or anything. For a first world nation, it's not doing fine.
    How is it not?
    neo-nazi rallies excused by the PRESIDENT for just ONE. 
    Everybody forgets that he did denounce them.  This always seems to elude people.
    shhhhh, don’t tell the secret
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    josevolution said:
    https://apple.news/AOzUozkjiQXSBDWMxLx8Cdw
    Let me get this straight Baffoon states that he will sign an EO and his advisors say the 14th amendment can be interpreted to match these times yet when talking about the 2nd A this can never be interpreted different...
    Long overdue but an EO is not the way to do it.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,102
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    From the White House:

    “The so-called migrant caravan that's slowly making its way to the U.S. from Central America is many things to many people. But one thing seems pretty certain: it's not about seeking ‘asylum,’ or ‘refugee status.’ It's about getting to the United States at all costs,” the Investor’s Business Daily editorial board writes. “It's time we take our border seriously, or we'll end up like those countries in Europe and the Mideast who find their nations no longer governable.”

    What countries in Europe and the Middle East find themselves "no longer governable?"
    I don't understand why they think these two things are mutually exclusive. Or, I should say, I don't understand why they think enough Americans are stupid enough to believe those things are mutually exclusive... Oh wait... Trump voters. Right.
    Fear works very well, on stupid people on non-stupid alike. 
    The Mideast reference is one huge dog whistle too. I can't fucking believe they are mixing Islamophobia into this issue.
    well they planted that seed last week with him announcing "there's no way there aren't some middle easterners in the caravan". 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,958
    Trump's suggested EO will result in a lot of injustice for people who will actually be an asset to America. It's an idea that will eventually make us think about the Dreamer situation. It's a terrible idea (like most of Trump's ideas).
    I do, however, see birth tourism as a problem... Governments could create laws that make that kind of thing much harder or impossible, by applying guidelines for the parents in relation to the circumstances of the birth of their children or something. Canada needs to do that too. It's becoming a real problem with the Chinese. It's really just a big scam. Of course, that is not were Trump's motivation lies at all - two separate issues.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,958
    edited October 2018

    House Speaker Paul Ryan rejects President Trump’s idea of ending birthright citizenship by executive order



    The dude's actually talking sense for once.
    Not that I would support totally ending birthright citizenship anyhow, by EO or not, for the reason already stated.



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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,971
    PJ_Soul said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    From the White House:

    “The so-called migrant caravan that's slowly making its way to the U.S. from Central America is many things to many people. But one thing seems pretty certain: it's not about seeking ‘asylum,’ or ‘refugee status.’ It's about getting to the United States at all costs,” the Investor’s Business Daily editorial board writes. “It's time we take our border seriously, or we'll end up like those countries in Europe and the Mideast who find their nations no longer governable.”

    What countries in Europe and the Middle East find themselves "no longer governable?"
    I don't understand why they think these two things are mutually exclusive. Or, I should say, I don't understand why they think enough Americans are stupid enough to believe those things are mutually exclusive... Oh wait... Trump voters. Right.
    I may not be reading your statement right, but there are specific definitions for refugee and asylum. And financial gain is not one of them.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,958
    edited October 2018
    cincybearcat said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    From the White House:

    “The so-called migrant caravan that's slowly making its way to the U.S. from Central America is many things to many people. But one thing seems pretty certain: it's not about seeking ‘asylum,’ or ‘refugee status.’ It's about getting to the United States at all costs,” the Investor’s Business Daily editorial board writes. “It's time we take our border seriously, or we'll end up like those countries in Europe and the Mideast who find their nations no longer governable.”

    What countries in Europe and the Middle East find themselves "no longer governable?"
    I don't understand why they think these two things are mutually exclusive. Or, I should say, I don't understand why they think enough Americans are stupid enough to believe those things are mutually exclusive... Oh wait... Trump voters. Right.
    I may not be reading your statement right, but there are specific definitions for refugee and asylum. And financial gain is not one of them.
    Who said anything about financial gain?
    But if you think of it in terms of "seeking a better, safe life", that necessarily involves trying to reach financial stability, right?
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    unsung said:
    josevolution said:
    https://apple.news/AOzUozkjiQXSBDWMxLx8Cdw
    Let me get this straight Baffoon states that he will sign an EO and his advisors say the 14th amendment can be interpreted to match these times yet when talking about the 2nd A this can never be interpreted different...
    Long overdue but an EO is not the way to do it.
    So, you agree that the constitution can be changed?
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  • unsung
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    So they won’t be receiving any welfare?  I guess they won’t need it with all of the jobs that are going to fill according to H2M, just not sure what jobs.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,958
    oftenreading said:
    unsung said:
    josevolution said:
    https://apple.news/AOzUozkjiQXSBDWMxLx8Cdw
    Let me get this straight Baffoon states that he will sign an EO and his advisors say the 14th amendment can be interpreted to match these times yet when talking about the 2nd A this can never be interpreted different...
    Long overdue but an EO is not the way to do it.
    So, you agree that the constitution can be changed?
    And should be, no less. :pensive:
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