14 years and counting...

my2hands

Halifax2TheMax said:

OMG! Free education? And two free meals a day too? How will the US, the greatest country in the world, ever go on? Absorb another 5,000 to 10,000? OMG! putin on the ritz is paying for it so he can collapse our civilization. Thats what it sounds like to me. We cant afford anymore charity and since no one else does it, why do we? 'Murica. For 'muricans. The supposed "christian" nation doesn't act too "christian" when addressing the less fortunate, regardless of where they come from.

Who suggested that be taken away? Is Canada not Christian? As Soul pointed out they just have common sense immigration laws, whats wrong with that? As Mace pointed out if we implemented Canada's rules people would scream the world was ending and that we are evil nazis who hate "the other"...HRC caught shit just for hesitating on the Drivers License issue, and you know that... maybe you just like jumping all over people you disagree with?

I just think its interesting how much more liberal the USA is when it comes to undocumented immigrants than most of our western allies who like to claim America is evil

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

OMG! Free education? And two free meals a day too? How will the US, the greatest country in the world, ever go on? Absorb another 5,000 to 10,000? OMG! putin on the ritz is paying for it so he can collapse our civilization. Thats what it sounds like to me. We cant afford anymore charity and since no one else does it, why do we? 'Murica. For 'muricans. The supposed "christian" nation doesn't act too "christian" when addressing the less fortunate, regardless of where they come from.

I never said any of that. I asked a simple question. HFD had a good response. I don't see where you addressed my question at all or where you got any of those comments from though. No one has said any of that on here.

You asked me to clarify and I did with, "it sounds like to me." Sorry you didn't like my answer.

my2hands

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

OMG! Free education? And two free meals a day too? How will the US, the greatest country in the world, ever go on? Absorb another 5,000 to 10,000? OMG! putin on the ritz is paying for it so he can collapse our civilization. Thats what it sounds like to me. We cant afford anymore charity and since no one else does it, why do we? 'Murica. For 'muricans. The supposed "christian" nation doesn't act too "christian" when addressing the less fortunate, regardless of where they come from.

I never said any of that. I asked a simple question. HFD had a good response. I don't see where you addressed my question at all or where you got any of those comments from though. No one has said any of that on here.

You asked me to clarify and I did with, "it sounds like to me." Sorry you didn't like my answer.

Its you, not me! Lol

Do you EVER try to find common ground and have a real conversation? Do you EVER admit when you're wrong dude? Like, ever?

josevolution

unsung said:

I am asking H2M to tell me what jobs the caravan people will be doing since I am continually told that they are coming here to work.

lol i guess you don't get out much here in NY for instance you can walk into any Pizza shop and you'd find not Geuseppie making pizza but Carlos or juan or Jose making the pizza , walk into any Restaurant here who do you see bussing the tables yep juan carlos or jose , not johnny or joey or timmy , go to your nearest car wash who's washing those Mercedes Bens yep Carlos , juan & jose we do it all ..Cut the lawns , hell next time take a look at who's tearing apart a roof ....

Halifax2TheMax

my2hands said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

OMG! Free education? And two free meals a day too? How will the US, the greatest country in the world, ever go on? Absorb another 5,000 to 10,000? OMG! putin on the ritz is paying for it so he can collapse our civilization. Thats what it sounds like to me. We cant afford anymore charity and since no one else does it, why do we? 'Murica. For 'muricans. The supposed "christian" nation doesn't act too "christian" when addressing the less fortunate, regardless of where they come from.

I never said any of that. I asked a simple question. HFD had a good response. I don't see where you addressed my question at all or where you got any of those comments from though. No one has said any of that on here.

You asked me to clarify and I did with, "it sounds like to me." Sorry you didn't like my answer.

Its you, not me! Lol

Do you EVER try to find common ground and have a real conversation? Do you EVER admit when you're wrong dude? Like, ever?

Sorry you didn’t like my answer either. Do you ever not personally attack someone for posting their opinion? I’ve stood corrected before, yes. How about you?

cincybearcat

Hahahahaha this is priceless! 

You 2 are too much!!!

unsung

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

my2hands said:

The only numbers I find about Hispanics in Canada is that only 1.5% of Canada is Latin American. No wonder they don't want to go there lol

Your food scene must be horrible... 1.5% lol

It's also considerably colder than where they are from.  Now, I live in farm country and greenhouse country, we have plenty of Mexican migrant workers.  The Mexican government even has an office in the area.

Hispanics just spent the last month painting the outside of my apartment building. They did a good job.

FYI my2hands, that stat of yours doesn't include the many Latin Americans who come here to work. Only the permanent residents and citizens. 

But it is true, our Latin American food scene isn't great in terms of numbers ... Although what we have tends to be amazing. Of course, our Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Indian, and Middle Eastern food scene is huge and to die for.

Oh, and also, Canada has way smarter administrative systems when it comes to education and health care than America does, which is why illegal immigrants don't come flooding in. The way it's set up, you can't really access the health care system and education system when you're an illegal immigrant. I hear it's not really like that in the US. No wonder everyone wants to go there.

We are not allowed to ask a student their status. So ever child, legal or illegal, gets free education. Most get 2 free meals during the day too.
That's what I don;t get, why are so many so hard on US, when we do a lot for illegal immigrants? If we stopped offering free education I can promise there would be riots and we'd be called racist for doing what every country already does.

That’s the Christian spirit!

There it is.

Halifax2TheMax

unsung said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

my2hands said:

The only numbers I find about Hispanics in Canada is that only 1.5% of Canada is Latin American. No wonder they don't want to go there lol

Your food scene must be horrible... 1.5% lol

It's also considerably colder than where they are from.  Now, I live in farm country and greenhouse country, we have plenty of Mexican migrant workers.  The Mexican government even has an office in the area.

Hispanics just spent the last month painting the outside of my apartment building. They did a good job.

FYI my2hands, that stat of yours doesn't include the many Latin Americans who come here to work. Only the permanent residents and citizens. 

But it is true, our Latin American food scene isn't great in terms of numbers ... Although what we have tends to be amazing. Of course, our Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Indian, and Middle Eastern food scene is huge and to die for.

Oh, and also, Canada has way smarter administrative systems when it comes to education and health care than America does, which is why illegal immigrants don't come flooding in. The way it's set up, you can't really access the health care system and education system when you're an illegal immigrant. I hear it's not really like that in the US. No wonder everyone wants to go there.

We are not allowed to ask a student their status. So ever child, legal or illegal, gets free education. Most get 2 free meals during the day too.
That's what I don;t get, why are so many so hard on US, when we do a lot for illegal immigrants? If we stopped offering free education I can promise there would be riots and we'd be called racist for doing what every country already does.

That’s the Christian spirit!

There it is.

Whoop!

unsung

josevolution said:

unsung said:

I am asking H2M to tell me what jobs the caravan people will be doing since I am continually told that they are coming here to work.

lol i guess you don't get out much here in NY for instance you can walk into any Pizza shop and you'd find not Geuseppie making pizza but Carlos or juan or Jose making the pizza , walk into any Restaurant here who do you see bussing the tables yep juan carlos or jose , not johnny or joey or timmy , go to your nearest car wash who's washing those Mercedes Bens yep Carlos , juan & jose we do it all ..Cut the lawns , hell next time take a look at who's tearing apart a roof ....

Thanks for answering for him but I wanted to know what's in his head on this issue.  

my2hands

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

Would you allow undocumented immigrants access to healthcare and educational systems?

Shit, they can get a drivers license here 

No, you can't access our health care system without a health services card, and you can't enter a school without being documented either. And they certainly can't get a driver's license. You need official documentation to do stuff in Canada (that does include people in the process of applying for some level of legal status though). I don't know why Americans don't understand that people come to America because the US system makes it so much easier for them to do such things without being documented at all.

And still there is an etimated 50,000 to 200,000 undocumented immigrants in Canada, because, of course, some people hire them and pay them under the table, and it's not that hard to find landlord willing to rent to people without credit checks and shit.

And we get a bad name for how we treat undocumented immigrants? lol 

So if a family has a 10 year old child that chikd will not be able to go to school or access healthcare? 

Hillary got ROASTED in the 2008 primaries for hesitating whether she would support drivers licenses for undocumented workers... its become pretty obvious we are far more liberal and tolerant towards immigration than a lot of our western allies that like to do a lot of American shaming. Interesting.

 I would say that people say that about America because they are treated like sub-humans by many Americans, and are subjected to amazing levels of racism and bigotry and anger, and the way the government acts when they do start proceedings against them, and the means they use to find them, is inhumane. 

Stereotype much? Much of what you said right there is hyperbolic bullshit

If its so evil and bad here, why do they keep coming here? 

I live in a fairly populated county, with a diverse population, been here for 40 years and have seen an influx of hispanic immigrants, and ive never really seen anything close to what you are claiming. Are there issues, obviously, but to hear you tell it we have concentration camps set up. At least we lets kids go to school and go to the hospital lol

My county is approximately 58% white, 26% black, and 10% hispanic... and we seem to be doing just fine.... 

Pretty sure California has maybe 35% white population... 8th largest economy? Progressive controlled... 

Considering humans have  feared and not trusted those that dont look the same i think my country is doing pretty fucking good considering our diversity on such a large scale. Work still needs to be done, but the picture you paint just isnt accurate.  

Are you denying that racism and inhumane treatment of migrants exists in America or what?? I'm not stereotyping. I didn't even mention a specific group, so how could I be? Surely you're aware of the terrible rhetoric being used against these migrants and other illegal immigrants by some people in the US, and by the current administration. And I know you're aware of the kids in cages, the ICE community raids, and the shady tactics used to arrest people for deportation. That is all the stuff I'm talking about. If you thought I meant every single American in the US is doing this or something, then I don't even know what to say.

And sorry, no, America doesn't seem to be "doing just fine." It is scary you think that, frankly. You seem to be in defensive mode here, turning what everyone says into black and white.

And dude, wow, you are fucking rough on here with everyone. Frankly, you seem like one of the angriest on the boards. It's a side of you that I've never seen before, and suddenly you are here with guns blazing. It's hard to know how to deal with it, lol.

Dont have the time or patience to get into too many deep points or a discussion so I'll keep it brief, or try at least lol

Of course there are issues... everywhere has issues... and uf you arecas diverse as America you're definitely going to have issues of all sorts

Let me make this point very clear. Donald Trump and the last 19 months do not define America,  it doesnt even represent a majority. Of course im aware of recent issues and disagree with most of it. But immigration is a real issue down here, and people that want to address it arent all racists. Honestly it mostly comes down to services and money. As you've pointed out America is being taking advantage of by some. This is Unsungs point, he isnt racist, he just wishes it was like your country where immigration was done legitimately, and if not the country and taxpayers wont pay for your social benefits, so you cant be taken advantage of. Some will argue that these drastic measures recently taken had to be deployed to make a point to try and stop undocumented immigrants from coming. They see it simply as a broken system being taken advantage of and felt a shock was needed to send the message. Not that i agree, but i can at least wrap my gead around it and try to understand it isnt racism or xenophobia, as i recently would label it myself. 

And yes, America is doing just fine... some things could be improved, absolutely... but we will survive the current circus and move on to the next circus... as the great melting pot and beacon of hope for many... we have racists, and we have black presidents from a single parent home... we have xenophobes, and latina supreme court justices... we have sexists, and women getting 3 million more votes for POTUS... we have David Duke, and we have black female billionaires... we have Ted Nugent, we have Beyonce, and we have Pitbull.... we are a work in progress, but we are a beautiful work in progress.... the arc of history is long, but it bends towards justice

Screw Vancouver, I think someone should take you out for coffee in America, and show you what they don't on the news

And im DEFINITELY not angry, at all.  I just like slapping my boy Watson around. He likely hates me, but I still love the TTT maniac lol

PJ_Soul

America really isn't doing just fine. You will never convince me of that.

I have been to America countless times (I was just there once again in fact) - I definitely know what it's like! And I like it a lot for many reasons. It's just not doing fine IMO. Not at all. That doesn't mean I think it's worse than a 3rd world country or anything. For a first world nation, it's not doing fine.

josevolution

We all have different opinions on the issue of Immigration I believe most here would like to see our elected officials actually work on reform , maybe come up with a working solution but the bickering here is starting to take the focus off the real problem ! There’s still kids in captivity more to follow I’m sure ...

my2hands

PJ_Soul said:

America really isn't doing just fine. You will never convince me of that.

I have been to America countless times (I was just there once again in fact) - I definitely know what it's like! And I like it a lot for many reasons. It's just not doing fine IMO. Not at all. That doesn't mean I think it's worse than a 3rd world country or anything. For a first world nation, it's not doing fine.

How is it not?

my2hands

Speaking of American immigration... our friend Jose is a great example of the American dream... came here many years ago looking hoping for a better life... stayed... has a great family... grows his own lol... speaks out when he feels he should... he was here before Trump, will be here afterwards hopefully... he helps me believe in my country and what is beautiful about it

PJ_Soul

my2hands said:

PJ_Soul said:

America really isn't doing just fine. You will never convince me of that.

I have been to America countless times (I was just there once again in fact) - I definitely know what it's like! And I like it a lot for many reasons. It's just not doing fine IMO. Not at all. That doesn't mean I think it's worse than a 3rd world country or anything. For a first world nation, it's not doing fine.

How is it not?

I figure I have probably thousands of posts here explaining why not. I just don't have the energy to write all those again!

Halifax2TheMax

my2hands said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

Would you allow undocumented immigrants access to healthcare and educational systems?

Shit, they can get a drivers license here 

No, you can't access our health care system without a health services card, and you can't enter a school without being documented either. And they certainly can't get a driver's license. You need official documentation to do stuff in Canada (that does include people in the process of applying for some level of legal status though). I don't know why Americans don't understand that people come to America because the US system makes it so much easier for them to do such things without being documented at all.

And still there is an etimated 50,000 to 200,000 undocumented immigrants in Canada, because, of course, some people hire them and pay them under the table, and it's not that hard to find landlord willing to rent to people without credit checks and shit.

And we get a bad name for how we treat undocumented immigrants? lol 

So if a family has a 10 year old child that chikd will not be able to go to school or access healthcare? 

Hillary got ROASTED in the 2008 primaries for hesitating whether she would support drivers licenses for undocumented workers... its become pretty obvious we are far more liberal and tolerant towards immigration than a lot of our western allies that like to do a lot of American shaming. Interesting.

 I would say that people say that about America because they are treated like sub-humans by many Americans, and are subjected to amazing levels of racism and bigotry and anger, and the way the government acts when they do start proceedings against them, and the means they use to find them, is inhumane. 

Stereotype much? Much of what you said right there is hyperbolic bullshit

If its so evil and bad here, why do they keep coming here? 

I live in a fairly populated county, with a diverse population, been here for 40 years and have seen an influx of hispanic immigrants, and ive never really seen anything close to what you are claiming. Are there issues, obviously, but to hear you tell it we have concentration camps set up. At least we lets kids go to school and go to the hospital lol

My county is approximately 58% white, 26% black, and 10% hispanic... and we seem to be doing just fine.... 

Pretty sure California has maybe 35% white population... 8th largest economy? Progressive controlled... 

Considering humans have  feared and not trusted those that dont look the same i think my country is doing pretty fucking good considering our diversity on such a large scale. Work still needs to be done, but the picture you paint just isnt accurate.  

Are you denying that racism and inhumane treatment of migrants exists in America or what?? I'm not stereotyping. I didn't even mention a specific group, so how could I be? Surely you're aware of the terrible rhetoric being used against these migrants and other illegal immigrants by some people in the US, and by the current administration. And I know you're aware of the kids in cages, the ICE community raids, and the shady tactics used to arrest people for deportation. That is all the stuff I'm talking about. If you thought I meant every single American in the US is doing this or something, then I don't even know what to say.

And sorry, no, America doesn't seem to be "doing just fine." It is scary you think that, frankly. You seem to be in defensive mode here, turning what everyone says into black and white.

And dude, wow, you are fucking rough on here with everyone. Frankly, you seem like one of the angriest on the boards. It's a side of you that I've never seen before, and suddenly you are here with guns blazing. It's hard to know how to deal with it, lol.

Dont have the time or patience to get into too many deep points or a discussion so I'll keep it brief, or try at least lol

Of course there are issues... everywhere has issues... and uf you arecas diverse as America you're definitely going to have issues of all sorts

Let me make this point very clear. Donald Trump and the last 19 months do not define America,  it doesnt even represent a majority. Of course im aware of recent issues and disagree with most of it. But immigration is a real issue down here, and people that want to address it arent all racists. Honestly it mostly comes down to services and money. As you've pointed out America is being taking advantage of by some. This is Unsungs point, he isnt racist, he just wishes it was like your country where immigration was done legitimately, and if not the country and taxpayers wont pay for your social benefits, so you cant be taken advantage of. Some will argue that these drastic measures recently taken had to be deployed to make a point to try and stop undocumented immigrants from coming. They see it simply as a broken system being taken advantage of and felt a shock was needed to send the message. Not that i agree, but i can at least wrap my gead around it and try to understand it isnt racism or xenophobia, as i recently would label it myself. 

And yes, America is doing just fine... some things could be improved, absolutely... but we will survive the current circus and move on to the next circus... as the great melting pot and beacon of hope for many... we have racists, and we have black presidents from a single parent home... we have xenophobes, and latina supreme court justices... we have sexists, and women getting 3 million more votes for POTUS... we have David Duke, and we have black female billionaires... we have Ted Nugent, we have Beyonce, and we have Pitbull.... we are a work in progress, but we are a beautiful work in progress.... the arc of history is long, but it bends towards justice

Screw Vancouver, I think someone should take you out for coffee in America, and show you what they don't on the news

And im DEFINITELY not angry, at all.  I just like slapping my boy Watson around. He likely hates me, but I still love the TTT maniac lol

From the Cato Institute, one Unsung should be able to get behind. Seems native born are the real problem when it comes to abusing the benefits. But Team Trump Treason doesn’t want to criticize his base. Illegals aren’t eligible for most benefits. But you know, invasion.

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/dont-blame-immigrants-bloated-welfare-state

josevolution

There’s so many quotes on top of quotes I’m lost lol 

my2hands

Halifax2TheMax said:

my2hands said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

Would you allow undocumented immigrants access to healthcare and educational systems?

Shit, they can get a drivers license here 

No, you can't access our health care system without a health services card, and you can't enter a school without being documented either. And they certainly can't get a driver's license. You need official documentation to do stuff in Canada (that does include people in the process of applying for some level of legal status though). I don't know why Americans don't understand that people come to America because the US system makes it so much easier for them to do such things without being documented at all.

And still there is an etimated 50,000 to 200,000 undocumented immigrants in Canada, because, of course, some people hire them and pay them under the table, and it's not that hard to find landlord willing to rent to people without credit checks and shit.

And we get a bad name for how we treat undocumented immigrants? lol 

So if a family has a 10 year old child that chikd will not be able to go to school or access healthcare? 

Hillary got ROASTED in the 2008 primaries for hesitating whether she would support drivers licenses for undocumented workers... its become pretty obvious we are far more liberal and tolerant towards immigration than a lot of our western allies that like to do a lot of American shaming. Interesting.

 I would say that people say that about America because they are treated like sub-humans by many Americans, and are subjected to amazing levels of racism and bigotry and anger, and the way the government acts when they do start proceedings against them, and the means they use to find them, is inhumane. 

Stereotype much? Much of what you said right there is hyperbolic bullshit

If its so evil and bad here, why do they keep coming here? 

I live in a fairly populated county, with a diverse population, been here for 40 years and have seen an influx of hispanic immigrants, and ive never really seen anything close to what you are claiming. Are there issues, obviously, but to hear you tell it we have concentration camps set up. At least we lets kids go to school and go to the hospital lol

My county is approximately 58% white, 26% black, and 10% hispanic... and we seem to be doing just fine.... 

Pretty sure California has maybe 35% white population... 8th largest economy? Progressive controlled... 

Considering humans have  feared and not trusted those that dont look the same i think my country is doing pretty fucking good considering our diversity on such a large scale. Work still needs to be done, but the picture you paint just isnt accurate.  

Are you denying that racism and inhumane treatment of migrants exists in America or what?? I'm not stereotyping. I didn't even mention a specific group, so how could I be? Surely you're aware of the terrible rhetoric being used against these migrants and other illegal immigrants by some people in the US, and by the current administration. And I know you're aware of the kids in cages, the ICE community raids, and the shady tactics used to arrest people for deportation. That is all the stuff I'm talking about. If you thought I meant every single American in the US is doing this or something, then I don't even know what to say.

And sorry, no, America doesn't seem to be "doing just fine." It is scary you think that, frankly. You seem to be in defensive mode here, turning what everyone says into black and white.

And dude, wow, you are fucking rough on here with everyone. Frankly, you seem like one of the angriest on the boards. It's a side of you that I've never seen before, and suddenly you are here with guns blazing. It's hard to know how to deal with it, lol.

Dont have the time or patience to get into too many deep points or a discussion so I'll keep it brief, or try at least lol

Of course there are issues... everywhere has issues... and uf you arecas diverse as America you're definitely going to have issues of all sorts

Let me make this point very clear. Donald Trump and the last 19 months do not define America,  it doesnt even represent a majority. Of course im aware of recent issues and disagree with most of it. But immigration is a real issue down here, and people that want to address it arent all racists. Honestly it mostly comes down to services and money. As you've pointed out America is being taking advantage of by some. This is Unsungs point, he isnt racist, he just wishes it was like your country where immigration was done legitimately, and if not the country and taxpayers wont pay for your social benefits, so you cant be taken advantage of. Some will argue that these drastic measures recently taken had to be deployed to make a point to try and stop undocumented immigrants from coming. They see it simply as a broken system being taken advantage of and felt a shock was needed to send the message. Not that i agree, but i can at least wrap my gead around it and try to understand it isnt racism or xenophobia, as i recently would label it myself. 

And yes, America is doing just fine... some things could be improved, absolutely... but we will survive the current circus and move on to the next circus... as the great melting pot and beacon of hope for many... we have racists, and we have black presidents from a single parent home... we have xenophobes, and latina supreme court justices... we have sexists, and women getting 3 million more votes for POTUS... we have David Duke, and we have black female billionaires... we have Ted Nugent, we have Beyonce, and we have Pitbull.... we are a work in progress, but we are a beautiful work in progress.... the arc of history is long, but it bends towards justice

Screw Vancouver, I think someone should take you out for coffee in America, and show you what they don't on the news

And im DEFINITELY not angry, at all.  I just like slapping my boy Watson around. He likely hates me, but I still love the TTT maniac lol

From the Cato Institute, one Unsung should be able to get behind. Seems native born are the real problem when it comes to abusing the benefits. But Team Trump Treason doesn’t want to criticize his base. Illegals aren’t eligible for most benefits. But you know, invasion.

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/dont-blame-immigrants-bloated-welfare-state

And im sure the response by most would be no problem, we dont want to pay for them either so boot them off social services, no sweat. Whats that tactic of deflection people say the right uses all the time??? Its slipping my mind??????? Ah, yes, whataboutism.

Halifax2TheMax

my2hands said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

my2hands said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

Would you allow undocumented immigrants access to healthcare and educational systems?

Shit, they can get a drivers license here 

No, you can't access our health care system without a health services card, and you can't enter a school without being documented either. And they certainly can't get a driver's license. You need official documentation to do stuff in Canada (that does include people in the process of applying for some level of legal status though). I don't know why Americans don't understand that people come to America because the US system makes it so much easier for them to do such things without being documented at all.

And still there is an etimated 50,000 to 200,000 undocumented immigrants in Canada, because, of course, some people hire them and pay them under the table, and it's not that hard to find landlord willing to rent to people without credit checks and shit.

And we get a bad name for how we treat undocumented immigrants? lol 

So if a family has a 10 year old child that chikd will not be able to go to school or access healthcare? 

Hillary got ROASTED in the 2008 primaries for hesitating whether she would support drivers licenses for undocumented workers... its become pretty obvious we are far more liberal and tolerant towards immigration than a lot of our western allies that like to do a lot of American shaming. Interesting.

 I would say that people say that about America because they are treated like sub-humans by many Americans, and are subjected to amazing levels of racism and bigotry and anger, and the way the government acts when they do start proceedings against them, and the means they use to find them, is inhumane. 

Stereotype much? Much of what you said right there is hyperbolic bullshit

If its so evil and bad here, why do they keep coming here? 

I live in a fairly populated county, with a diverse population, been here for 40 years and have seen an influx of hispanic immigrants, and ive never really seen anything close to what you are claiming. Are there issues, obviously, but to hear you tell it we have concentration camps set up. At least we lets kids go to school and go to the hospital lol

My county is approximately 58% white, 26% black, and 10% hispanic... and we seem to be doing just fine.... 

Pretty sure California has maybe 35% white population... 8th largest economy? Progressive controlled... 

Considering humans have  feared and not trusted those that dont look the same i think my country is doing pretty fucking good considering our diversity on such a large scale. Work still needs to be done, but the picture you paint just isnt accurate.  

Are you denying that racism and inhumane treatment of migrants exists in America or what?? I'm not stereotyping. I didn't even mention a specific group, so how could I be? Surely you're aware of the terrible rhetoric being used against these migrants and other illegal immigrants by some people in the US, and by the current administration. And I know you're aware of the kids in cages, the ICE community raids, and the shady tactics used to arrest people for deportation. That is all the stuff I'm talking about. If you thought I meant every single American in the US is doing this or something, then I don't even know what to say.

And sorry, no, America doesn't seem to be "doing just fine." It is scary you think that, frankly. You seem to be in defensive mode here, turning what everyone says into black and white.

And dude, wow, you are fucking rough on here with everyone. Frankly, you seem like one of the angriest on the boards. It's a side of you that I've never seen before, and suddenly you are here with guns blazing. It's hard to know how to deal with it, lol.

Dont have the time or patience to get into too many deep points or a discussion so I'll keep it brief, or try at least lol

Of course there are issues... everywhere has issues... and uf you arecas diverse as America you're definitely going to have issues of all sorts

Let me make this point very clear. Donald Trump and the last 19 months do not define America,  it doesnt even represent a majority. Of course im aware of recent issues and disagree with most of it. But immigration is a real issue down here, and people that want to address it arent all racists. Honestly it mostly comes down to services and money. As you've pointed out America is being taking advantage of by some. This is Unsungs point, he isnt racist, he just wishes it was like your country where immigration was done legitimately, and if not the country and taxpayers wont pay for your social benefits, so you cant be taken advantage of. Some will argue that these drastic measures recently taken had to be deployed to make a point to try and stop undocumented immigrants from coming. They see it simply as a broken system being taken advantage of and felt a shock was needed to send the message. Not that i agree, but i can at least wrap my gead around it and try to understand it isnt racism or xenophobia, as i recently would label it myself. 

And yes, America is doing just fine... some things could be improved, absolutely... but we will survive the current circus and move on to the next circus... as the great melting pot and beacon of hope for many... we have racists, and we have black presidents from a single parent home... we have xenophobes, and latina supreme court justices... we have sexists, and women getting 3 million more votes for POTUS... we have David Duke, and we have black female billionaires... we have Ted Nugent, we have Beyonce, and we have Pitbull.... we are a work in progress, but we are a beautiful work in progress.... the arc of history is long, but it bends towards justice

Screw Vancouver, I think someone should take you out for coffee in America, and show you what they don't on the news

And im DEFINITELY not angry, at all.  I just like slapping my boy Watson around. He likely hates me, but I still love the TTT maniac lol

From the Cato Institute, one Unsung should be able to get behind. Seems native born are the real problem when it comes to abusing the benefits. But Team Trump Treason doesn’t want to criticize his base. Illegals aren’t eligible for most benefits. But you know, invasion.

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/dont-blame-immigrants-bloated-welfare-state

And im sure the response by most would be no problem, we dont want to pay for them either so boot them off social services, no sweat. Whats that tactic of deflection people say the right uses all the time??? Its slipping my mind??????? Ah, yes, whataboutism.

Maybe you meant scapegoating?

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unsung said:

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

I think we do.  Our system is abused. 

That why I call out those that keep saying that the group is seeking asylum, no they are not, they are seeking American handouts.

Then why can undocumented immigrants get driver's licenses, access the health care system and send their children to school?

But yes, a very large number of those people are seeking asylum, but I came to the conclusion that you are devoid of empathy for refugees a long time ago, so it doesn't matter what you think about their circumstances.

A refugee exits his homeland and takes up safety in the first place that offers it, like Mexico has just done.  These aren't refugees anymore than what happened to Europe.  They aren't seeking refuge, they are seeking resources.

Maybe Treadeau has sent the planes down to Mexico though, I haven't watched much news the last few days.

Mexico is not considered a Safe Third Country under law, but in addition to that, any reasonable person would not view Mexico as a safe option for refugees, given record high numbers of homicides.