This thread has gone far enough. "Be kind." -Ilona Anne Coggswater

When people put up with abuse for decades then the consequences will be severe when they fight back.

So....no

No. Sexual predators ruin lives, destroy victims. Let the sun shine on it so it won't keep happening. It'll all become apparent from facts, and we can judge each case, one at a time.

I don't think the movement overall has gone too far per se; it still has a place in the fight for women's rights/safety. But I think in some instances it has definitely gone too far, where there is an unreasonable unwillingness to allow for redemption where appropriate, and where accusations that are groundless or even accusations of actions that are not wrong at all in the first place (like with Aziz Ansari) are negatively impacting people unfairly. I boil this down to plain old mass hysteria. It's what happens when public opinion becomes the judge, jury, and executioner. The masses are too dumb or too indifferent to distinguish specific circumstances, apparently, and also too unforgiving in some cases due to basic self-righteousness on a grand scale. It's very, very frustrating to me. So I think it's more like the #metoo movement is being violated by this, rather than the #metoo movement itself being the culprit.

PJ_Soul said:

I don't think the movement overall has gone too far per se; it still has a place in the fight for women's rights/safety. But I think in some instances it has definitely gone too far, where there is an unreasonable unwillingness to allow for redemption where appropriate, and where accusations that are groundless or even accusations of actions that are not wrong at all in the first place (like with Aziz Ansari) are negatively impacting people unfairly. I boil this down to plain old mass hysteria. It's what happens when public opinion becomes the judge, jury, and executioner. The masses are too dumb or too indifferent to distinguish specific circumstances, apparently, and also too unforgiving in some cases due to basic self-righteousness on a grand scale. It's very, very frustrating to me. So I think it's more like the #metoo movement is being violated by this, rather than the #metoo movement itself being the culprit.

Hit the nail on the head.

F Me In The Brain said:

It is going to take a long while to see things actually change -- and people will naturally overcompensate, but I think it is better than the alternative.  IMO, Not too far.

Yes, I agree what we've got going on is certainly better than nothing... I'm just hoping people can calm the hell down and get more rational about things. Hopefully it's just a learning curve. The media ain't helping either right now - I hope they also learn.

brianlux said:

My concern about #MeToo is that it is being co-opted in such a way that, at least in some cases, it is becoming less helpful to women's issues and harmful to some women and men (example of this are in the articles I posted).

Personally, I never understood how it got to this point in the first place.  How is it that so many men are sexual predators such that a movement was needed in the first place?  But then I feel the same way about wars, human induced animal extinction and climate change, and planned obsolescent.  We are a weird and often sick species.

men have been clubbing women and carrying them off to their caves to have their way since the inception of our species. it's no surprise this is still a rampant problem. 

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

My concern about #MeToo is that it is being co-opted in such a way that, at least in some cases, it is becoming less helpful to women's issues and harmful to some women and men (example of this are in the articles I posted).

Personally, I never understood how it got to this point in the first place.  How is it that so many men are sexual predators such that a movement was needed in the first place?  But then I feel the same way about wars, human induced animal extinction and climate change, and planned obsolescent.  We are a weird and often sick species.

men have been clubbing women and carrying them off to their caves to have their way since the inception of our species. it's no surprise this is still a rampant problem. 

So true.  But the thing is, we are supposedly this highly intelligent species capable of learning, growing and changing and understanding morals and appropriate behavior.  Perhaps our intelligence is over-rated?

I don't know much about evolution, but to me it seems like there are so many people in so many different places scattered across the globe, there's no way we are all evolving at the same rate. 

I think our emotional intelligence needs a tonne of work. 

humans are so easily corruptible by offerings of greed, sex, and now "likes", we are so weak emotionally it is incredible we have made it this far. I think the few have elevated the many, to the detriment of ourselves. 

look at how so many people behave where a natural disaster hits. or even if their team does/doesn't win the championship. looting, rape, mass property destruction; mob mentality. 

we are only as intelligent as our circumstances dictate. most of the time, things are grand, and everyone is fine. take us to our basest level of coping, and we are no better, or maybe even worse, than our primate cousins. 

I don't think it has gone too far.  Almost every day I ask myself if I live in crazytown after reading about all of these famous CEO's, newsman, politicians, and celebrities that outwardly look like respectable people, and then you read the shit they have done and it is almost uniformly so far across the line of decency that you think it can't be true (but it is).

No way heck the commander in chief is culprit numero 1 and he's leading the free world i'd say more needs to be done the fact of the matter NO means NO , but men who are power positions have always believed that NO doesn't pertain to them !