OK. Here are the shows: Worcester 1 and 2 2013 (GA both nights), Hartford 2016 (Reserved), MSG 2016 (Reserved), Fenway 1 and 2 2016. For those shows the two that stood out to me were Fenway 2 and Hartford. I didn't see a major difference in energy from these shows versus the shows I'd attended before GA was introduced.
But I agree that energy is that weird thing. Once it starts to build its like a drug. You can't wait for the next show just in hopes of having that experience again. Why was Hartford 2016 so loud? GA? A Friday night? Being between Boston and New York? I don't think anyone can say for sure.
Hartford -- could be the weekend, could be the location. Hartford 2013 was the loudest show I've been to. The crowd drowned out Ed over and over again.
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OK. Here are the shows: Worcester 1 and 2 2013 (GA both nights), Hartford 2016 (Reserved), MSG 2016 (Reserved), Fenway 1 and 2 2016. For those shows the two that stood out to me were Fenway 2 and Hartford. I didn't see a major difference in energy from these shows versus the shows I'd attended before GA was introduced.
But I agree that energy is that weird thing. Once it starts to build its like a drug. You can't wait for the next show just in hopes of having that experience again. Why was Hartford 2016 so loud? GA? A Friday night? Being between Boston and New York? I don't think anyone can say for sure.
Hartford -- could be the weekend, could be the location. Hartford 2013 was the loudest show I've been to. The crowd drowned out Ed over and over again.
This sense of entitlement seems like it is happening more and more all over - I was just reading a day or two ago about how some fans at Phish concerts are putting down tarps on the floor to block out their 'space' and holding it for friends still outside. I mean, WTF?
I've always had a good time in GA (4 shows) but it just takes a few people who act like they own the place to ruin the experience for others.
I read about the tarps, too. Did that start at Red Rocks? I saw My Morning Jacket there a couple years ago - first and only time there. I was shocked to see people covering big parts of the benches with blankets to claim space. Some were even taping them down. Festivals are one thing, but arenas and amphitheaters with that?
I was under the impression that the infamous "running of the tarps" at Red Rocks was no longer allowed. Anyway here it is from a Widespread Panic show a few years ago....
Widespread Panic. Never listened to them but it appears they're aptly named.
Right?! That is insane! That music on the video made me laugh. I'm going to go listen to some Widespread Panic now, and see if that craziness has any justification, lol. (Edit: Actually not bad... at least a few library-worthy songs there)
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What I did NOT know until the show was over was, once he got to GA, and let's be clear, it was a ton of people who like every GA show some had waited all day (maybe even all night the night before) to be on the rail, as this guy came in the audience parted like the Red Sea when they realized he was behind them, and they let him all the way up to the rail on Mike's side! Then he got guitar picks, a tambourine, and just had the time of his life.
You didn't do anything wrong in my opinion. You saw an opportunity and grabbed it. In 2013 I was mad because people who weren't even in GA jumped over the barricades and ran in ahead of us during re-entry but really I was mostly mad at security more than anyone else for doing a bad job, I don't blame anyone for seizing an opportunity. They also let Stone's side in before Mike's side in 2013; I was Mike's side and lost my rail spot in 2013 after queuing up all day, but a nice man let me go in front of him because it didn't look like the spot on the rail was big enough for him so I got back on the rail, but a bit further to the side than I was initially. I felt really bad asking but I was also feeling very sorry for myself I was fully expecting him to say no and that would have been cool. It's a concert, hardly the end of the world if I ended up second row.
After clearing out GA, no one has the right to say "that was my spot", that's not how GA works. It sucks but that's just life. That's why I won't really invest a lot of time queuing up for outdoor concerts (and honestly I generally avoid outdoor concerts).
Wrigley 13 was my first and only GA experience (with PJ). Turned me off of it for a while for exactly what you said. Was so much more crowded after the delay, people were hopping the gates right in front of security and they didnt even care at that point. We were exhausted, it was after midnight and many of the people who jumped in were just annoying and over-excited for being in the pit, literally knockin gpeople down like it was a metal mosh pit. But after this round I think I'd be up for it again if they keep it up.
I’m with you!! If I do ever go GA again we’re going to get there hour early and not mess with the madness! The people were a lot cooler at our first spots too. Although there were a few cool dudes scattered and D-bags son was actually cool somehow too (sorry bout ur pops man) shout out to them! Plus the second lady that took my spot turned out to be cool too just not with her female neighbor
Have to say Seattle 1 was nice, not caring where I ended up in GA. Arrived an hour before the show picked a spot my wife and I liked and enjoyed the folks around us.
I had amazing experiences in GA at Wrigley 2 and Montana, getting in line basically as the doors opened and not fighting for position. Surrounded by good, fun people both nights. Ironically, my worst experience of my three shows this year was night 2 in Seattle. We had drunk jerks behind us pushing the chairs into our legs and trying to carry a conversation through the whole show, people on either side that didn’t seem into it at all and 6 empty seats in front of us. The show was obviously still amazing, but, for us, it lacked the usual energy that comes from your neighbors. I have a good TC number so I almost always get seats, but after this year I might start reconsidering and do the back of the pit thing more often.
back of the pit is where its at.
Unless you're short... in which case, anything more than 2 rows back looks the same whether it's 3 rows back or 30 rows back in the pit or the very back of the pit.
Only when pit's aren't full do you still have a shot of seeing at the back of the pit if you're short. But Seattle 2, the backs of the pit were as crowded as the fronts, so nope, would have been a total bummer for short l'il ole me.
I don't mind there being a pit, but as someone who always chooses reserved, once in awhile it would be nice ot have a shot (long shot that it is) at front couple of rows in the lottery.
Here is my take. I was lucky enough to land GA for both nights. First time ever having the opportunity. I've been a "nut job super fan" since day one but never post on here or anything. A friend and I got there early Saturday just to scope out where we were to line up and planned on walking around the vicinity until 8am and saw people were already lined up when we got there so we got in line. 60 people or so ahead of us. Not bad at all. Ended up 3rd row. Amazing show and experience. Monday morn same thing but a few people closer in line. Ended up 1.5 row dead center because everyone staggered so we could all see. I could reach out and touch rail. I was stoked. Waited damn near 30 years for that. Then of course the shitshow happened with the delay and ultimately ended up in the middle. My whole group i was with somehow ended pretty close to where we started. During conversations everyone offered for me to go closer since I stood in line so long to begin with and tried to get me back, which was awesome, but eventually it was just so packed and I wasn't gonna do that to people even though I was so disappointed. I didn't feel "entitled" in the sense of it was "my spot" but was just extremely disappointed to finally have that spot then all of the sudden I didn't.
What Im most pissed off about is that they let us go on the field in the first place since all of us watching the radar all day knew that storm was coming. They didn't let us on the field immediately anyway and kept us in the concourse for 45 min for that reason. They should have just kept GA where we were until it passed. They could have easily let everyone else in and kept us where we were in a single file line since we were vastly in a restricted acces part of the concourse. It was still a great show, it just sucks I wasn't with my friends and was stuck behind a woman who Facebook lived 80% of the show with her arms and phone raised so I couldn't see Mike or Jeff at all and got glimpses of Ed. There has to be a better way of doing it for the people who stand in line for a collective 30 plus hrs. Idk.
Here is my take. I was lucky enough to land GA for both nights. First time ever having the opportunity. I've been a "nut job super fan" since day one but never post on here or anything. A friend and I got there early Saturday just to scope out where we were to line up and planned on walking around the vicinity until 8am and saw people were already lined up when we got there so we got in line. 60 people or so ahead of us. Not bad at all. Ended up 3rd row. Amazing show and experience. Monday morn same thing but a few people closer in line. Ended up 1.5 row dead center because everyone staggered so we could all see. I could reach out and touch rail. I was stoked. Waited damn near 30 years for that. Then of course the shitshow happened with the delay and ultimately ended up in the middle. My whole group i was with somehow ended pretty close to where we started. During conversations everyone offered for me to go closer since I stood in line so long to begin with and tried to get me back, which was awesome, but eventually it was just so packed and I wasn't gonna do that to people even though I was so disappointed. I didn't feel "entitled" in the sense of it was "my spot" but was just extremely disappointed to finally have that spot then all of the sudden I didn't.
What Im most pissed off about is that they let us go on the field in the first place since all of us watching the radar all day knew that storm was coming. They didn't let us on the field immediately anyway and kept us in the concourse for 45 min for that reason. They should have just kept GA where we were until it passed. They could have easily let everyone else in and kept us where we were in a single file line since we were vastly in a restricted acces part of the concourse. It was still a great show, it just sucks I wasn't with my friends and was stuck behind a woman who Facebook lived 80% of the show with her arms and phone raised so I couldn't see Mike or Jeff at all and got glimpses of Ed. There has to be a better way of doing it for the people who stand in line for a collective 30 plus hrs. Idk.
I wondered that as well....seems like a big liability issue where someone could get injured in the sprint
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N2 seemed a lot more crowded than N1 to me. Could have been that I was a couple rows closer N2 though. But yes, they were crowded where I was.
Thought the same thing. Looked like lots more room night 1 and I was row 17 on the field both times, so I had a good view. Looked much more crowded night 2. My guess is during the mad dash there were lots who got to sneak in.
Did GA for Seattle 2. I don't care where I am in GA as any place is better than 95% of the rest venue. I walked in around 6, no line and got a spot center and leaning on the back rail. Easy come and go from there and great sound. Got a bit crowded, but nothing like up front. I figured we were 20 rows back at the most. Sometimes it could be a bit hard to see if someone tall got in the way, but for the most part it was fine. Was surrounded by awesome fans having a great time and didn't deal with any (or hardly any) BS.
Lol, i just laugh at how half you people would fair at a Metallica or Slayer GA show. If you want a guaranteed spot and noone to touch you get a reserved seat. I was actually kind of disappointed how mellow the Seattle pit was.
I have GA tix for Metallica and have no interest in getting close. Just want a good view
Did GA for Seattle 2. I don't care where I am in GA as any place is better than 95% of the rest venue. I walked in around 6, no line and got a spot center and leaning on the back rail. Easy come and go from there and great sound. Got a bit crowded, but nothing like up front. I figured we were 20 rows back at the most. Sometimes it could be a bit hard to see if someone tall got in the way, but for the most part it was fine. Was surrounded by awesome fans having a great time and didn't deal with any (or hardly any) BS.
Yeah I remember in LA 2013 I got to the GA line about an hour before doors opened and I got maybe 4 or 5 rows back and everyone around us were super nice! To me that is more pleasant than camping out and dealing with not only the big time commitment just standing in line not to mention dealing with the "rail" people - only to get 4 rows ahead of where I would have been anyways
Fuck that noise. You’re on the rail. Refuse to move. Throw hands if necessary. We’ve all been fans for 25 years, nobody’s more special than the other
Agree 100% if someone wants to fight over a spot on the rail or any other spot for that matter bring it.
Yeah, I agree with that too. Spots can't be reserved in GA, but when you're in a spot, it's yours. It's amazing to me how often people will literally try to displace you - like use their bodies to move you so they can stand where you're standing. I will never budge when someone does that, if possible. But yeah, it's different in a crazy pit of course - in those you really just have to submit to the mob. That's fine with me. I'm just talking PJ pits here, and other mellow GA scenes.
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Same. The GA thing is stupid. I don't get it. I watched the rush ensue on video live from a phone the other night and thought man someone is going to get badly hurt in this nonsense to get a "rail".
That video is glorious and everyone should hum yakety-sax to themselves while watching it
Here is my take. I was lucky enough to land GA for both nights. First time ever having the opportunity. I've been a "nut job super fan" since day one but never post on here or anything. A friend and I got there early Saturday just to scope out where we were to line up and planned on walking around the vicinity until 8am and saw people were already lined up when we got there so we got in line. 60 people or so ahead of us. Not bad at all. Ended up 3rd row. Amazing show and experience. Monday morn same thing but a few people closer in line. Ended up 1.5 row dead center because everyone staggered so we could all see. I could reach out and touch rail. I was stoked. Waited damn near 30 years for that. Then of course the shitshow happened with the delay and ultimately ended up in the middle. My whole group i was with somehow ended pretty close to where we started. During conversations everyone offered for me to go closer since I stood in line so long to begin with and tried to get me back, which was awesome, but eventually it was just so packed and I wasn't gonna do that to people even though I was so disappointed. I didn't feel "entitled" in the sense of it was "my spot" but was just extremely disappointed to finally have that spot then all of the sudden I didn't.
What Im most pissed off about is that they let us go on the field in the first place since all of us watching the radar all day knew that storm was coming. They didn't let us on the field immediately anyway and kept us in the concourse for 45 min for that reason. They should have just kept GA where we were until it passed. They could have easily let everyone else in and kept us where we were in a single file line since we were vastly in a restricted acces part of the concourse. It was still a great show, it just sucks I wasn't with my friends and was stuck behind a woman who Facebook lived 80% of the show with her arms and phone raised so I couldn't see Mike or Jeff at all and got glimpses of Ed. There has to be a better way of doing it for the people who stand in line for a collective 30 plus hrs. Idk.
I wondered that as well....seems like a big liability issue where someone could get injured in the sprint
I was in the GA on Saturday night. Found a good spot center stage like 50' back, which is where I usually go.
I am like 5'8". Some guy that was easily 6'2" or 6'3" walks right....RIGHT....in front of me and just parks it there.
I tap him on the shoulder and ask him to please move a little to the side, or just swap positions with me, and all he does is look down and say "No."
I'm not a violent person and I am certainly not about to get kicked out of the pit before a PJ show, but I was very close to leaning back and punching him in the fucking face.
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I’ll take this opportunity to give my side of a story that occurred in the the GA line for the Monday show with information going back to the Saturday show.
As I have never been on the rail before, our party of 4 decided to try and make that happen. Prior to the first Wrigley show, we were aware of the 8:00 am lineup rule and checked the line several times throughout the night to see if anyone had begun to line up or if everyone was adhering to that rule. It was at 6:20 am on Saturday when we found that a line had been started and we entered that line. Clearly not everyone adhered to the 8:00 am rule.
Moving forward to Sunday night and knowing that the 8:00 am rule was not going to be followed, we stood at the designated area, off of Cubs property, the same exact spot that the line began for the previous show. If not everyone was going to follow the rules, then I see it as fair game.
Now, it becomes apparent that there is a group of Ten Club members with apparent Australian accents and a very cult like bearded leader that appear on the rail at just about show, including the Wrigley 1 show where they were at the front of the line as usual. You don’t have to search too hard to find or recognize this “fan”. I would be happy to provide a picture to anyone that asks. After sitting for about 3 hours, a member of their group which, at this time, appears to number in the range of 30-40 people, approaches us and inquired as to what we are doing. We said we are waiting. We were then told that what we were doing was not good and they offered to let us in to their group where we could be added to their list. When we reminded this person that, as per TC rules, there are not to be any lists, we were told that the outcome of this would not work out well for us. There would be an additional 4 people that work come over from their group and do the exact thing over the next several hours, even telling us what number we would be on that list. We declined every time to join there list citing the Ten Club rules on lists and numbering systems. Several times we were even told that Ten Club and Ten Club Security approved of their system and authorized them to continue to do it that way. When we asked to be shown this document nothing was ever shown. We were told that we were “cutting in their line”, when in fact, we had started the line. At any time they could have lined up behind us.
Moving forward to 4:00 am on Monday morning, it became very apparent that 4:00 am was the time given to others to arrive as no less than 8 vehicles arrived and dropped off people that went straight to the group that had assembled in front of Murphy’s on the southeast corner of Waveland and and Sheffield. Sometime about 5:30 am or so every person in that group ran at the same time across Waveland Ave and line up on Cubs property where the official line would be moved to at 8:00. Once there, they were put into order from a list carried by one of the female Australians that travels with this group. Not long after, they were removed from that property, by security I assume, and moved behind where we were lined up. It was at this time that the now 5 of us ahead of them would be verbally abused and attempts to intimidate us were made. This would be a constant stream until 8:00 am, when we were all moved to the start of the official line on Cubs property. Again, we were at the front of the line having not been intimidated from their constant stream of attempted bullying and verbal abuse. Members of there group began to take pictures and video of us, with which they proceeded to post on various Ten Club and PJ Facebook groups, lying about how we cut into the line, and calling us names. Many comments were made by others, some suggested violence against us and others laced with profanity towards us. Can someone explain to me how a group of 5 could cut in front of a group of roughly 70 and not physically removed? Really? This group got people to believe that our group of 5 just walked in front of their group of 70 and muscled them out of the way and they let it happen? We became a group of 4 at this time, as one member of our group decided to leave due to the circumstances. Again, we did not “cut” into the line, we started the line. They had every right to start the line at the designated spot as they did for the previous show and they chose not too. They somehow thought that their list was law, even though Ten Club prohibits lists. We chose to not be intimidated and stand out ground.
Soon after we moved, in order, to the offical line at 8:00, security became involved and a discussion began. Their group of 70 all began to lie about what happened, saying they had no list and we cut to the front. I then showed the security personnel the Ten Club rules on unofficial lists and numbering systems and how they are prohibited. Security then decided to bring in event staff to further assist. Again their group shouted and screamed and I asked the event staff to read the same Ten Club rules. After discussion, event staff decided that we would stay at they front of the line and that any further issues of intimidation or threats would result in that person behind removed from the GA line.
For the the next 8 hours we endured a continuous stream of subtle intimidation and even had people come up to us from the street to call us names and make faces. One of these people made a video andnposted to several Facebook groups in which he told us that we would have beer dumped on us all night for what we did. We had several people come to us in the front of the line asking us if this is where they receive their number. It was obvious that some people were told by the group to stop by the front of the line to find your number, as they would be in the front of the line. A pretty telling detail.
Eventually, we enterered through security and into Wrigley Field, where there were still members of that group trying to intimidate us. We all know the rain that followed and we chose not to enter the melee that followed to get back into GA after the storm, instead watching from the back.
This group, that contains many Australians, is on the rail at what may very well be every opportunity to do so. How can that be? Every time? They all win GA tickets and are lucky enough to be at the front of the GA line every show? The odds on this happening randomly would be huge. Only it’s not happening randomly. Their system is in place and they intimidate anyone that might get in the way of them being first. It is very much like a cult. The tactics that they used, the mode by which they organized, the intimidation they attempted. When we didn’t break or give in to them, they turned to social media to spread lies, trying to make themselves, this group that far outnumbered the 4 of us, look like victims. We had no way to get our side of the story to those same people, so we must be in the wrong. It’s sad, but we stood up for ourselves and I would do it again the exact same way if I had to. The clear leaders of this group appear to be all Australians. Their tactics need to be stopped. Everyone that is a member of Ten Club and purchases their GA tickets should have the same opportunities to experience a show from the rail if that’s what they choose. They shouldn’t have to abide by the rules and lies of a group who have decided to claim the rail every show and that if you don’t join their group, you will never have a chance to experience a show from the rail.
I know this was a crazy crazy long post, but there is no other way to get the story across. There are certainly details that haven’t been added that I would gladly discuss with anyone that would care to hear them. I also have many pictures to support my claims if anyone is interested and feels like they need additional proof. I could have put those pictures all over Facebook groups as well, but I chose not too. Anyone is certainly free to make their own decision as to whom they thought were right or wrong. I just ask that you make an educated decision based on as much factual information as possible and not just base your decision based on who can yell and scream the loudest. Thanks for reading.
Same. The GA thing is stupid. I don't get it. I watched the rush ensue on video live from a phone the other night and thought man someone is going to get badly hurt in this nonsense to get a "rail".
That video is glorious and everyone should hum yakety-sax to themselves while watching it
Damn, that video looks pretty mild compared to how it felt being down there that night. I watched people literally doing flips over the barricade to bypass the entrance openings to the pit and a group of about 8-10 people about trample the poor guy at the gate as he tried to move it to let people in....the look on his face was like WTF man. I felt bad for him, just doing his job. It was ridiculous.
Like a word misplaced...nothing said...what a waste
I’ll take this opportunity to give my side of a story that occurred in the the GA line for the Monday show with information going back to the Saturday show.
As I have never been on the rail before, our party of 4 decided to try and make that happen. Prior to the first Wrigley show, we were aware of the 8:00 am lineup rule and checked the line several times throughout the night to see if anyone had begun to line up or if everyone was adhering to that rule. It was at 6:20 am on Saturday when we found that a line had been started and we entered that line. Clearly not everyone adhered to the 8:00 am rule.
Moving forward to Sunday night and knowing that the 8:00 am rule was not going to be followed, we stood at the designated area, off of Cubs property, the same exact spot that the line began for the previous show. If not everyone was going to follow the rules, then I see it as fair game.
Now, it becomes apparent that there is a group of Ten Club members with apparent Australian accents and a very cult like bearded leader that appear on the rail at just about show, including the Wrigley 1 show where they were at the front of the line as usual. You don’t have to search too hard to find or recognize this “fan”. I would be happy to provide a picture to anyone that asks. After sitting for about 3 hours, a member of their group which, at this time, appears to number in the range of 30-40 people, approaches us and inquired as to what we are doing. We said we are waiting. We were then told that what we were doing was not good and they offered to let us in to their group where we could be added to their list. When we reminded this person that, as per TC rules, there are not to be any lists, we were told that the outcome of this would not work out well for us. There would be an additional 4 people that work come over from their group and do the exact thing over the next several hours, even telling us what number we would be on that list. We declined every time to join there list citing the Ten Club rules on lists and numbering systems. Several times we were even told that Ten Club and Ten Club Security approved of their system and authorized them to continue to do it that way. When we asked to be shown this document nothing was ever shown. We were told that we were “cutting in their line”, when in fact, we had started the line. At any time they could have lined up behind us.
Moving forward to 4:00 am on Monday morning, it became very apparent that 4:00 am was the time given to others to arrive as no less than 8 vehicles arrived and dropped off people that went straight to the group that had assembled in front of Murphy’s on the southeast corner of Waveland and and Sheffield. Sometime about 5:30 am or so every person in that group ran at the same time across Waveland Ave and line up on Cubs property where the official line would be moved to at 8:00. Once there, they were put into order from a list carried by one of the female Australians that travels with this group. Not long after, they were removed from that property, by security I assume, and moved behind where we were lined up. It was at this time that the now 5 of us ahead of them would be verbally abused and attempts to intimidate us were made. This would be a constant stream until 8:00 am, when we were all moved to the start of the official line on Cubs property. Again, we were at the front of the line having not been intimidated from their constant stream of attempted bullying and verbal abuse. Members of there group began to take pictures and video of us, with which they proceeded to post on various Ten Club and PJ Facebook groups, lying about how we cut into the line, and calling us names. Many comments were made by others, some suggested violence against us and others laced with profanity towards us. Can someone explain to me how a group of 5 could cut in front of a group of roughly 70 and not physically removed? Really? This group got people to believe that our group of 5 just walked in front of their group of 70 and muscled them out of the way and they let it happen? We became a group of 4 at this time, as one member of our group decided to leave due to the circumstances. Again, we did not “cut” into the line, we started the line. They had every right to start the line at the designated spot as they did for the previous show and they chose not too. They somehow thought that their list was law, even though Ten Club prohibits lists. We chose to not be intimidated and stand out ground.
Soon after we moved, in order, to the offical line at 8:00, security became involved and a discussion began. Their group of 70 all began to lie about what happened, saying they had no list and we cut to the front. I then showed the security personnel the Ten Club rules on unofficial lists and numbering systems and how they are prohibited. Security then decided to bring in event staff to further assist. Again their group shouted and screamed and I asked the event staff to read the same Ten Club rules. After discussion, event staff decided that we would stay at they front of the line and that any further issues of intimidation or threats would result in that person behind removed from the GA line.
For the the next 8 hours we endured a continuous stream of subtle intimidation and even had people come up to us from the street to call us names and make faces. One of these people made a video andnposted to several Facebook groups in which he told us that we would have beer dumped on us all night for what we did. We had several people come to us in the front of the line asking us if this is where they receive their number. It was obvious that some people were told by the group to stop by the front of the line to find your number, as they would be in the front of the line. A pretty telling detail.
Eventually, we enterered through security and into Wrigley Field, where there were still members of that group trying to intimidate us. We all know the rain that followed and we chose not to enter the melee that followed to get back into GA after the storm, instead watching from the back.
This group, that contains many Australians, is on the rail at what may very well be every opportunity to do so. How can that be? Every time? They all win GA tickets and are lucky enough to be at the front of the GA line every show? The odds on this happening randomly would be huge. Only it’s not happening randomly. Their system is in place and they intimidate anyone that might get in the way of them being first. It is very much like a cult. The tactics that they used, the mode by which they organized, the intimidation they attempted. When we didn’t break or give in to them, they turned to social media to spread lies, trying to make themselves, this group that far outnumbered the 4 of us, look like victims. We had no way to get our side of the story to those same people, so we must be in the wrong. It’s sad, but we stood up for ourselves and I would do it again the exact same way if I had to. The clear leaders of this group appear to be all Australians. Their tactics need to be stopped. Everyone that is a member of Ten Club and purchases their GA tickets should have the same opportunities to experience a show from the rail if that’s what they choose. They shouldn’t have to abide by the rules and lies of a group who have decided to claim the rail every show and that if you don’t join their group, you will never have a chance to experience a show from the rail.
I know this was a crazy crazy long post, but there is no other way to get the story across. There are certainly details that haven’t been added that I would gladly discuss with anyone that would care to hear them. I also have many pictures to support my claims if anyone is interested and feels like they need additional proof. I could have put those pictures all over Facebook groups as well, but I chose not too. Anyone is certainly free to make their own decision as to whom they thought were right or wrong. I just ask that you make an educated decision based on as much factual information as possible and not just base your decision based on who can yell and scream the loudest. Thanks for reading.
I’ll take this opportunity to give my side of a story that occurred in the the GA line for the Monday show with information going back to the Saturday show.
As I have never been on the rail before, our party of 4 decided to try and make that happen. Prior to the first Wrigley show, we were aware of the 8:00 am lineup rule and checked the line several times throughout the night to see if anyone had begun to line up or if everyone was adhering to that rule. It was at 6:20 am on Saturday when we found that a line had been started and we entered that line. Clearly not everyone adhered to the 8:00 am rule.
Moving forward to Sunday night and knowing that the 8:00 am rule was not going to be followed, we stood at the designated area, off of Cubs property, the same exact spot that the line began for the previous show. If not everyone was going to follow the rules, then I see it as fair game.
Now, it becomes apparent that there is a group of Ten Club members with apparent Australian accents and a very cult like bearded leader that appear on the rail at just about show, including the Wrigley 1 show where they were at the front of the line as usual. You don’t have to search too hard to find or recognize this “fan”. I would be happy to provide a picture to anyone that asks. After sitting for about 3 hours, a member of their group which, at this time, appears to number in the range of 30-40 people, approaches us and inquired as to what we are doing. We said we are waiting. We were then told that what we were doing was not good and they offered to let us in to their group where we could be added to their list. When we reminded this person that, as per TC rules, there are not to be any lists, we were told that the outcome of this would not work out well for us. There would be an additional 4 people that work come over from their group and do the exact thing over the next several hours, even telling us what number we would be on that list. We declined every time to join there list citing the Ten Club rules on lists and numbering systems. Several times we were even told that Ten Club and Ten Club Security approved of their system and authorized them to continue to do it that way. When we asked to be shown this document nothing was ever shown. We were told that we were “cutting in their line”, when in fact, we had started the line. At any time they could have lined up behind us.
Moving forward to 4:00 am on Monday morning, it became very apparent that 4:00 am was the time given to others to arrive as no less than 8 vehicles arrived and dropped off people that went straight to the group that had assembled in front of Murphy’s on the southeast corner of Waveland and and Sheffield. Sometime about 5:30 am or so every person in that group ran at the same time across Waveland Ave and line up on Cubs property where the official line would be moved to at 8:00. Once there, they were put into order from a list carried by one of the female Australians that travels with this group. Not long after, they were removed from that property, by security I assume, and moved behind where we were lined up. It was at this time that the now 5 of us ahead of them would be verbally abused and attempts to intimidate us were made. This would be a constant stream until 8:00 am, when we were all moved to the start of the official line on Cubs property. Again, we were at the front of the line having not been intimidated from their constant stream of attempted bullying and verbal abuse. Members of there group began to take pictures and video of us, with which they proceeded to post on various Ten Club and PJ Facebook groups, lying about how we cut into the line, and calling us names. Many comments were made by others, some suggested violence against us and others laced with profanity towards us. Can someone explain to me how a group of 5 could cut in front of a group of roughly 70 and not physically removed? Really? This group got people to believe that our group of 5 just walked in front of their group of 70 and muscled them out of the way and they let it happen? We became a group of 4 at this time, as one member of our group decided to leave due to the circumstances. Again, we did not “cut” into the line, we started the line. They had every right to start the line at the designated spot as they did for the previous show and they chose not too. They somehow thought that their list was law, even though Ten Club prohibits lists. We chose to not be intimidated and stand out ground.
Soon after we moved, in order, to the offical line at 8:00, security became involved and a discussion began. Their group of 70 all began to lie about what happened, saying they had no list and we cut to the front. I then showed the security personnel the Ten Club rules on unofficial lists and numbering systems and how they are prohibited. Security then decided to bring in event staff to further assist. Again their group shouted and screamed and I asked the event staff to read the same Ten Club rules. After discussion, event staff decided that we would stay at they front of the line and that any further issues of intimidation or threats would result in that person behind removed from the GA line.
For the the next 8 hours we endured a continuous stream of subtle intimidation and even had people come up to us from the street to call us names and make faces. One of these people made a video andnposted to several Facebook groups in which he told us that we would have beer dumped on us all night for what we did. We had several people come to us in the front of the line asking us if this is where they receive their number. It was obvious that some people were told by the group to stop by the front of the line to find your number, as they would be in the front of the line. A pretty telling detail.
Eventually, we enterered through security and into Wrigley Field, where there were still members of that group trying to intimidate us. We all know the rain that followed and we chose not to enter the melee that followed to get back into GA after the storm, instead watching from the back.
I know this was a crazy crazy long post, but there is no other way to get the story across. There are certainly details that haven’t been added that I would gladly discuss with anyone that would care to hear them. I also have many pictures to support my claims if anyone is interested and feels like they need additional proof. I could have put those pictures all over Facebook groups as well, but I chose not too. Anyone is certainly free to make their own decision as to whom they thought were right or wrong. I just ask that you make an educated decision based on as much factual information as possible and not just base your decision based on who can yell and scream the loudest. Thanks for reading.
OH man I feel so sorry for you, that totally sucks. What the fuck is going on inside of some people's heads? Do people fail to realize that this is a rock n' roll band? Being on the rail doesn't mean you are going to be asked to join the band or go on tour with them and be their personal roadie. Eddie isn't going to look into you eyes, realize that he is totally in love with you and divorce his wife in order to be with you. So weird to me. These same fans that did this to you should really reread the lyrics to corduroy.
I’ll take this opportunity to give my side of a story that occurred in the the GA line for the Monday show with information going back to the Saturday show.
As I have never been on the rail before, our party of 4 decided to try and make that happen. Prior to the first Wrigley show, we were aware of the 8:00 am lineup rule and checked the line several times throughout the night to see if anyone had begun to line up or if everyone was adhering to that rule. It was at 6:20 am on Saturday when we found that a line had been started and we entered that line. Clearly not everyone adhered to the 8:00 am rule.
Moving forward to Sunday night and knowing that the 8:00 am rule was not going to be followed, we stood at the designated area, off of Cubs property, the same exact spot that the line began for the previous show. If not everyone was going to follow the rules, then I see it as fair game.
Now, it becomes apparent that there is a group of Ten Club members with apparent Australian accents and a very cult like bearded leader that appear on the rail at just about show, including the Wrigley 1 show where they were at the front of the line as usual. You don’t have to search too hard to find or recognize this “fan”. I would be happy to provide a picture to anyone that asks. After sitting for about 3 hours, a member of their group which, at this time, appears to number in the range of 30-40 people, approaches us and inquired as to what we are doing. We said we are waiting. We were then told that what we were doing was not good and they offered to let us in to their group where we could be added to their list. When we reminded this person that, as per TC rules, there are not to be any lists, we were told that the outcome of this would not work out well for us. There would be an additional 4 people that work come over from their group and do the exact thing over the next several hours, even telling us what number we would be on that list. We declined every time to join there list citing the Ten Club rules on lists and numbering systems. Several times we were even told that Ten Club and Ten Club Security approved of their system and authorized them to continue to do it that way. When we asked to be shown this document nothing was ever shown. We were told that we were “cutting in their line”, when in fact, we had started the line. At any time they could have lined up behind us.
Moving forward to 4:00 am on Monday morning, it became very apparent that 4:00 am was the time given to others to arrive as no less than 8 vehicles arrived and dropped off people that went straight to the group that had assembled in front of Murphy’s on the southeast corner of Waveland and and Sheffield. Sometime about 5:30 am or so every person in that group ran at the same time across Waveland Ave and line up on Cubs property where the official line would be moved to at 8:00. Once there, they were put into order from a list carried by one of the female Australians that travels with this group. Not long after, they were removed from that property, by security I assume, and moved behind where we were lined up. It was at this time that the now 5 of us ahead of them would be verbally abused and attempts to intimidate us were made. This would be a constant stream until 8:00 am, when we were all moved to the start of the official line on Cubs property. Again, we were at the front of the line having not been intimidated from their constant stream of attempted bullying and verbal abuse. Members of there group began to take pictures and video of us, with which they proceeded to post on various Ten Club and PJ Facebook groups, lying about how we cut into the line, and calling us names. Many comments were made by others, some suggested violence against us and others laced with profanity towards us. Can someone explain to me how a group of 5 could cut in front of a group of roughly 70 and not physically removed? Really? This group got people to believe that our group of 5 just walked in front of their group of 70 and muscled them out of the way and they let it happen? We became a group of 4 at this time, as one member of our group decided to leave due to the circumstances. Again, we did not “cut” into the line, we started the line. They had every right to start the line at the designated spot as they did for the previous show and they chose not too. They somehow thought that their list was law, even though Ten Club prohibits lists. We chose to not be intimidated and stand out ground.
Soon after we moved, in order, to the offical line at 8:00, security became involved and a discussion began. Their group of 70 all began to lie about what happened, saying they had no list and we cut to the front. I then showed the security personnel the Ten Club rules on unofficial lists and numbering systems and how they are prohibited. Security then decided to bring in event staff to further assist. Again their group shouted and screamed and I asked the event staff to read the same Ten Club rules. After discussion, event staff decided that we would stay at they front of the line and that any further issues of intimidation or threats would result in that person behind removed from the GA line.
For the the next 8 hours we endured a continuous stream of subtle intimidation and even had people come up to us from the street to call us names and make faces. One of these people made a video andnposted to several Facebook groups in which he told us that we would have beer dumped on us all night for what we did. We had several people come to us in the front of the line asking us if this is where they receive their number. It was obvious that some people were told by the group to stop by the front of the line to find your number, as they would be in the front of the line. A pretty telling detail.
Eventually, we enterered through security and into Wrigley Field, where there were still members of that group trying to intimidate us. We all know the rain that followed and we chose not to enter the melee that followed to get back into GA after the storm, instead watching from the back.
I know this was a crazy crazy long post, but there is no other way to get the story across. There are certainly details that haven’t been added that I would gladly discuss with anyone that would care to hear them. I also have many pictures to support my claims if anyone is interested and feels like they need additional proof. I could have put those pictures all over Facebook groups as well, but I chose not too. Anyone is certainly free to make their own decision as to whom they thought were right or wrong. I just ask that you make an educated decision based on as much factual information as possible and not just base your decision based on who can yell and scream the loudest. Thanks for reading.
OH man I feel so sorry for you, that totally sucks. What the fuck is going on inside of some people's heads? Do people fail to realize that this is a rock n' roll band? Being on the rail doesn't mean you are going to be asked to join the band or go on tour with them and be their personal roadie. Eddie isn't going to look into you eyes, realize that he is totally in love with you and divorce his wife in order to be with you. So weird to me. These same fans that did this to you should really reread the lyrics to corduroy.
I was in the GA on Saturday night. Found a good spot center stage like 50' back, which is where I usually go.
I am like 5'8". Some guy that was easily 6'2" or 6'3" walks right....RIGHT....in front of me and just parks it there.
I tap him on the shoulder and ask him to please move a little to the side, or just swap positions with me, and all he does is look down and say "No."
I'm not a violent person and I am certainly not about to get kicked out of the pit before a PJ show, but I was very close to leaning back and punching him in the fucking face.
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Couldn't you move a little to the side yourself? I'm not saying he was being reasonable, but you know... seems like an easy solution for you there. As for swapping with shorter people... I get why tall people will say no to that. I am tall myself (for a woman), and I have let short people behind me go in front of me before quite happily, but where does it end? One person is no big deal... but then the next person can ask, and the next... and suddenly someone who lets shorter people go in front of them has moved way back in the pit, lol. I think I can understand if some people, especially guys who would be experiencing these kinds of requests a lot, would just stop doing it altogether. Sucks to be shorter in the pit I'm sure - I've had crazy tall guys standing right in front of me lots of times, and it blows - but I don't see why tall people should actually be expected to sacrifice anything if they don't want to. When someone really tall is in front of me I just move somewhere else.
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Same. The GA thing is stupid. I don't get it. I watched the rush ensue on video live from a phone the other night and thought man someone is going to get badly hurt in this nonsense to get a "rail".
GA brings more energy to the show - that's why PJ isn't going to drop it. The older their main fanbase gets, the more they need to try and keep the energy in front of the stage up, because it keeps them in it too. Yes, I know people can name all reserved shows that had energy, but that's the exception, not the norm, and as people age, that would become more and more rare - soon enough most of the old fogies up front will be sitting for half the show, lol. Also, they sell more tickets with a pit, which is pretty important I'm sure. Finally, having all reserved seating based on seniority, besides 4 lottery rows, is very off-putting to newer members. If they want to keep attracting new 10C members, then all reserved seating isn't the best method. GA is better business, basically.
I personally love GA because it's fucking fun, and yes, it definitely brings more energy to the show. I just hang back 6 deep and avoid all these fuckers on the rail as much as possible. I feel like getting rid of GA isn't even really fair - as it is, those who prefer reserved seats get reserved seats, and those who prefer GA get GA.... Without GA, there is only one option, and that sucks for a whole group of people.
All things I've thought to myself before. I would prefer reserve, but thats because I have a low number and know I'd still have good seats. If I were new i'd be trying for GA. Even at Wrigley this year I found myself wishing I had GA and just hung in the back. I didnt like the mess that can come with it, but hanging in the back is still going to be a great view without any of those people fighting you for a better view. In my experience it wasn't just the rail, anyone within the first 6-8 seemed to be constanatly fighting people trying to wedge their way up, and if you arent willing to fight to keep your spot, you can start about 6 people deep and end up 12 or 15. I'd rather enjoy the show than worry about keeping my spot.
GA at Wrigley at least is more packed than you think
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I'm going to go listen to some Widespread Panic now, and see if that craziness has any justification, lol. (Edit: Actually not bad... at least a few library-worthy songs there)
But after this round I think I'd be up for it again if they keep it up.
With that said, I am all for Reserved Seating.
Only when pit's aren't full do you still have a shot of seeing at the back of the pit if you're short. But Seattle 2, the backs of the pit were as crowded as the fronts, so nope, would have been a total bummer for short l'il ole me.
I don't mind there being a pit, but as someone who always chooses reserved, once in awhile it would be nice ot have a shot (long shot that it is) at front couple of rows in the lottery.
What Im most pissed off about is that they let us go on the field in the first place since all of us watching the radar all day knew that storm was coming. They didn't let us on the field immediately anyway and kept us in the concourse for 45 min for that reason. They should have just kept GA where we were until it passed. They could have easily let everyone else in and kept us where we were in a single file line since we were vastly in a restricted acces part of the concourse. It was still a great show, it just sucks I wasn't with my friends and was stuck behind a woman who Facebook lived 80% of the show with her arms and phone raised so I couldn't see Mike or Jeff at all and got glimpses of Ed. There has to be a better way of doing it for the people who stand in line for a collective 30 plus hrs. Idk.
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I am like 5'8". Some guy that was easily 6'2" or 6'3" walks right....RIGHT....in front of me and just parks it there.
I tap him on the shoulder and ask him to please move a little to the side, or just swap positions with me, and all he does is look down and say "No."
I'm not a violent person and I am certainly not about to get kicked out of the pit before a PJ show, but I was very close to leaning back and punching him in the fucking face.
95% of the PJ community are amazing people, but man, that other 5% can seriously choke on [crude comment removed by Admin]
As I have never been on the rail before, our party of 4 decided to try and make that happen. Prior to the first Wrigley show, we were aware of the 8:00 am lineup rule and checked the line several times throughout the night to see if anyone had begun to line up or if everyone was adhering to that rule. It was at 6:20 am on Saturday when we found that a line had been started and we entered that line. Clearly not everyone adhered to the 8:00 am rule.
Moving forward to Sunday night and knowing that the 8:00 am rule was not going to be followed, we stood at the designated area, off of Cubs property, the same exact spot that the line began for the previous show. If not everyone was going to follow the rules, then I see it as fair game.
Now, it becomes apparent that there is a group of Ten Club members with apparent Australian accents and a very cult like bearded leader that appear on the rail at just about show, including the Wrigley 1 show where they were at the front of the line as usual. You don’t have to search too hard to find or recognize this “fan”. I would be happy to provide a picture to anyone that asks. After sitting for about 3 hours, a member of their group which, at this time, appears to number in the range of 30-40 people, approaches us and inquired as to what we are doing. We said we are waiting. We were then told that what we were doing was not good and they offered to let us in to their group where we could be added to their list. When we reminded this person that, as per TC rules, there are not to be any lists, we were told that the outcome of this would not work out well for us. There would be an additional 4 people that work come over from their group and do the exact thing over the next several hours, even telling us what number we would be on that list. We declined every time to join there list citing the Ten Club rules on lists and numbering systems. Several times we were even told that Ten Club and Ten Club Security approved of their system and authorized them to continue to do it that way. When we asked to be shown this document nothing was ever shown. We were told that we were “cutting in their line”, when in fact, we had started the line. At any time they could have lined up behind us.
Moving forward to 4:00 am on Monday morning, it became very apparent that 4:00 am was the time given to others to arrive as no less than 8 vehicles arrived and dropped off people that went straight to the group that had assembled in front of Murphy’s on the southeast corner of Waveland and and Sheffield. Sometime about 5:30 am or so every person in that group ran at the same time across Waveland Ave and line up on Cubs property where the official line would be moved to at 8:00. Once there, they were put into order from a list carried by one of the female Australians that travels with this group. Not long after, they were removed from that property, by security I assume, and moved behind where we were lined up. It was at this time that the now 5 of us ahead of them would be verbally abused and attempts to intimidate us were made. This would be a constant stream until 8:00 am, when we were all moved to the start of the official line on Cubs property. Again, we were at the front of the line having not been intimidated from their constant stream of attempted bullying and verbal abuse. Members of there group began to take pictures and video of us, with which they proceeded to post on various Ten Club and PJ Facebook groups, lying about how we cut into the line, and calling us names. Many comments were made by others, some suggested violence against us and others laced with profanity towards us. Can someone explain to me how a group of 5 could cut in front of a group of roughly 70 and not physically removed? Really? This group got people to believe that our group of 5 just walked in front of their group of 70 and muscled them out of the way and they let it happen? We became a group of 4 at this time, as one member of our group decided to leave due to the circumstances. Again, we did not “cut” into the line, we started the line. They had every right to start the line at the designated spot as they did for the previous show and they chose not too. They somehow thought that their list was law, even though Ten Club prohibits lists. We chose to not be intimidated and stand out ground.
Soon after we moved, in order, to the offical line at 8:00, security became involved and a discussion began. Their group of 70 all began to lie about what happened, saying they had no list and we cut to the front. I then showed the security personnel the Ten Club rules on unofficial lists and numbering systems and how they are prohibited. Security then decided to bring in event staff to further assist. Again their group shouted and screamed and I asked the event staff to read the same Ten Club rules. After discussion, event staff decided that we would stay at they front of the line and that any further issues of intimidation or threats would result in that person behind removed from the GA line.
For the the next 8 hours we endured a continuous stream of subtle intimidation and even had people come up to us from the street to call us names and make faces. One of these people made a video andnposted to several Facebook groups in which he told us that we would have beer dumped on us all night for what we did. We had several people come to us in the front of the line asking us if this is where they receive their number. It was obvious that some people were told by the group to stop by the front of the line to find your number, as they would be in the front of the line. A pretty telling detail.
Eventually, we enterered through security and into Wrigley Field, where there were still members of that group trying to intimidate us. We all know the rain that followed and we chose not to enter the melee that followed to get back into GA after the storm, instead watching from the back.
This group, that contains many Australians, is on the rail at what may very well be every opportunity to do so. How can that be? Every time? They all win GA tickets and are lucky enough to be at the front of the GA line every show? The odds on this happening randomly would be huge. Only it’s not happening randomly. Their system is in place and they intimidate anyone that might get in the way of them being first. It is very much like a
cult. The tactics that they used, the mode by which they organized, the intimidation they attempted. When we didn’t break or give in to them, they turned to social media to spread lies, trying to make themselves, this group that far outnumbered the 4 of us, look like victims. We had no way to get our side of the story to those same people, so we must be in the wrong. It’s sad, but we stood up for ourselves and I would do it again the exact same way if I had to. The clear leaders of this group appear to be all Australians. Their tactics need to be stopped. Everyone that is a member of Ten Club and purchases their GA tickets should have the same opportunities to experience a show from the rail if that’s what they choose. They shouldn’t have to abide by the rules and lies of a group who have decided to claim the rail every show and that if you don’t join their group, you will never have a chance to experience a show from the rail.
I know this was a crazy crazy long post, but there is no other way to get the story across. There are certainly details that haven’t been added that I would gladly discuss with anyone that would care to hear them. I also have many pictures to support my claims if anyone is interested and feels like they need additional proof. I could have put those pictures all over Facebook groups as well, but I chose not too. Anyone is certainly free to make their own decision as to whom they thought were right or wrong. I just ask that you make an educated decision based on as much factual information as possible and not just base your decision based on who can yell and scream the loudest. Thanks for reading.
As for swapping with shorter people... I get why tall people will say no to that. I am tall myself (for a woman), and I have let short people behind me go in front of me before quite happily, but where does it end? One person is no big deal... but then the next person can ask, and the next... and suddenly someone who lets shorter people go in front of them has moved way back in the pit, lol. I think I can understand if some people, especially guys who would be experiencing these kinds of requests a lot, would just stop doing it altogether. Sucks to be shorter in the pit I'm sure - I've had crazy tall guys standing right in front of me lots of times, and it blows - but I don't see why tall people should actually be expected to sacrifice anything if they don't want to. When someone really tall is in front of me I just move somewhere else.