Inuk father faces online backlash after sharing photo of beluga harvest

Meltdown99 said:

rgambs said:

Meltdown99 said:

Inuk father faces online backlash after sharing photo of beluga harvest

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/inuk-father-faces-online-backlash-after-sharing-photo-of-beluga-harvest-1.4047872

People are just ignorant ... this is their way of life...

People are ignorant, that's for sure.
On the other hand, I wonder how long after becoming a social media user do you get to keep using your heritage as a reason to engage in behaviours that society frowns on. 
Like, what's the half-life on killing highly intelligent mammals for "food security" in a modern society where you live under a functioning capitalism and use social media to justify it.
I mean, you are complaining about the price of dried mangos??  A fruit from the tropics being expensive in the Arctic isn't a justification for killing a whale, it ain't justification for anything lol
It's common sense and the irony of it is thick.
Still, no reason for people to be shitty.

So what if they use social media?  Once again the Inuit do not need your permission, especially the permission of governments installed by their European conquerers.  Oh dear lord, have you heard, the Inuit can access the internet and post on social media ... quick ban their hunting and their traditional ways ... would this surprise you, some Inuit no longer use dog sleds, they have snow machines....yes, I know, how dare they use modern machinery ... LMFAO ....

So when they live in high rise condos and wear a suit and tie to work, will they still get to claim their ancestry to kill intelligent and sensitive animals that are going extinct?

brianlux said:

I cannot put it any better than this:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/sep/21/sea-shepherd-paul-watson-whales

Do you see any situation where it's okay to hunt a whale, say Indigenous people who have for centuries been living off whale meat and blubber?

You know, everything has changed because we have a population of seven billion people on the planet right now, and the oceans are dying. The oceans have been so severely diminished that there's a good chance we could kill them. And if the oceans die, we die. In light of that prospect I find it very difficult to be sympathetic to any cultural needs in order to destroy endangered species. Yeah, sure, it isn't the Inuit's fault that the whales have been diminished, but they can finish the job. When you get right down to it, it's all about human beings. I don't divide them into groups – the human species has been an extremely destructive species and has the potential to destroy the life support system for humanity. So this traditional stuff really gets to me – anything that involves killing an endangered species or destroying a habitat, if that involves tradition, I say ecology comes before tradition. I'd rather be ecologically correct than politically correct.

And it's not just ecologic correctness, it's the hypocrisy of leaving behind massive chunks of your culture for modern global comfort and convenience, but clinging to the bloodiest rituals with an iron grip.

Everyone not being vegetarian/vegan in the year of the lord 2018 should have gotten backlash if we were in a sane timeline.

Also continuing a great tradition of freezing their nuts off in the wild north while forgoing Papa John's and aeroplane moving trips to places in the Bahamas.  At least they can play Fortnight online now if they choose to.  

The Future!

I imagine any life form that had higher intelligence than humans would treat us in the same manner

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

I'm not against hunting and fishing, both are part of my own heritage and I still engage in both from time to time.
Whales though...those fuckers might be just as smart as us and they are certainly as loving as us.  I don't like the idea of killing whales and dolphins, it's just not groovy.

Killing any animal - when it is not needed - is not groovy. Shouldn't need tiers on how loving or intelligent they are.

That thar be a slippery slope!
What about the insects that are deliberately murdered on your veggie crops? 

Not a fan of it.

Meltdown99 said:

In some Inuit communities they have advanced to running water and indoor plumbing, they even heat with oil, the nerve ... oh dear.  Now that they've adopted some western ways, they must give up their treaty rights to appease those who are lucky enough to live near affordable food...

Your sarcasm isn't as effective as a legitimate rebuttal would be.
Answer me this question:
If the Inuit move into modern society fully and leave all their traditions behind except for spearing whales, will it still be legitimate in your eyes?  Is there no point at which the line is drawn?

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

I'm not against hunting and fishing, both are part of my own heritage and I still engage in both from time to time.
Whales though...those fuckers might be just as smart as us and they are certainly as loving as us.  I don't like the idea of killing whales and dolphins, it's just not groovy.

Killing any animal - when it is not needed - is not groovy. Shouldn't need tiers on how loving or intelligent they are.

That thar be a slippery slope!
What about the insects that are deliberately murdered on your veggie crops? 

Not a fan of it.

But you accept it.  Why?

In what way do you mean I accept it?

I try to not harm insects either, if  I can help it. I try to by ecologically (maybe you call i organically though?) farmed things as much as possible. 

And in a philosophical sense, I'd say we should try to not harm any other life - if we can help it.

But choosing a vegetarian option for you tomorrow for lunch instead of the slaughtered an murdered cow, or chicken, or fish is a very easy option to make. It's even SUPER EASY. It should be the only sane choice to make in 2018. Any other, shows a severe lack of empathy and thought.

What I mean is that thousands upon thousands of insects die for you to eat vegetables, whether grown organically or not, and you accept it and continue to eat the vegetables.  If no distinction is to be made based on the intelligence and emotional depth of the living creature, then how do you draw the line.  Shouldn't eating plants even be a problem under that ideology?

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

I'm not against hunting and fishing, both are part of my own heritage and I still engage in both from time to time.
Whales though...those fuckers might be just as smart as us and they are certainly as loving as us.  I don't like the idea of killing whales and dolphins, it's just not groovy.

Killing any animal - when it is not needed - is not groovy. Shouldn't need tiers on how loving or intelligent they are.

That thar be a slippery slope!
What about the insects that are deliberately murdered on your veggie crops? 

Not a fan of it.

But you accept it.  Why?

In what way do you mean I accept it?

I try to not harm insects either, if  I can help it. I try to by ecologically (maybe you call i organically though?) farmed things as much as possible. 

And in a philosophical sense, I'd say we should try to not harm any other life - if we can help it.

But choosing a vegetarian option for you tomorrow for lunch instead of the slaughtered an murdered cow, or chicken, or fish is a very easy option to make. It's even SUPER EASY. It should be the only sane choice to make in 2018. Any other, shows a severe lack of empathy and thought.

What I mean is that thousands upon thousands of insects die for you to eat vegetables, whether grown organically or not, and you accept it and continue to eat the vegetables.  If no distinction is to be made based on the intelligence and emotional depth of the living creature, then how do you draw the line.  Shouldn't eating plants even be a problem under that ideology?

What do you think?

I think the distinction is relevant.  We are animals too.  Smart ones, sure, but animals nonetheless.
We evolved to consume a large variety of living creatures and I don't think that can be cast aside easily.
On the other hand, we really don't NEED to eat beef for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.  I think that starting with the smartest and most emotional animals as "off-limits" is a good way to push societies towards eating less meat over time.  Guilt trips will only entrench the staunch carnivores, they won't make progress.

I also think veganism is silly.  If you really care so much about your food then you should produce your own.  There's nothing wrong with eggs, milk, and cheese if the animals aren't abused.