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None of the people on these forums will likely be alive when/IF driverless car technology ever reach the masses. No, government will not ban people from driving ... and ANYONE who wants a ban on people driving can move to China. Quit giving so much control to government.Give Peas A Chance…0
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If driving is deemed dangerous in a driverless system, the government absolutely will ban it. Public safety trumps individual rights every time. It does now and it will continue to do so. It's simply about transportation technology and infrastructure combined with public safety, just like it works now. This really doesn't have any impact at all on the level of the government's control. There are plenty of vehicles that you can't legally drive on our roads now.Meltdown99 said:None of the people on these forums will likely be alive when/IF driverless car technology ever reach the masses. No, government will not ban people from driving ... and ANYONE who wants a ban on people driving can move to China. Quit giving so much control to government.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
I can't imagine a society where we have banned people from driving but 2A is still be used to advocate for every last person's right to own a gun. That Braveheart line would need a re-working..."They may take away our cars, but they'll never take our guns!"PJ_Soul said:
If driving is deemed dangerous in a driverless system, the government absolutely will ban it. Public safety trumps individual rights every time. It does now and it will continue to do so. It's simply about transportation technology and infrastructure combined with public safety, just like it works now. This really doesn't have any impact at all on the level of the government's control. There are plenty of vehicles that you can't legally drive on our roads now.Meltdown99 said:None of the people on these forums will likely be alive when/IF driverless car technology ever reach the masses. No, government will not ban people from driving ... and ANYONE who wants a ban on people driving can move to China. Quit giving so much control to government.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
Watch that kids movie Wall.EMeltdown99 said:None of the people on these forums will likely be alive when/IF driverless car technology ever reach the masses. No, government will not ban people from driving ... and ANYONE who wants a ban on people driving can move to China. Quit giving so much control to government.
That is what the world will become eventually.0 -
My brother and I had this debate the last few times we saw each other.PJ_Soul said:
If driving is deemed dangerous in a driverless system, the government absolutely will ban it. Public safety trumps individual rights every time. It does now and it will continue to do so. It's simply about transportation technology and infrastructure combined with public safety, just like it works now. This really doesn't have any impact at all on the level of the government's control. There are plenty of vehicles that you can't legally drive on our roads now.Meltdown99 said:None of the people on these forums will likely be alive when/IF driverless car technology ever reach the masses. No, government will not ban people from driving ... and ANYONE who wants a ban on people driving can move to China. Quit giving so much control to government.
What you said is true only to some extent. Safety will trump individual rights, but slowly and within reason. What I mean is if they came out with a driverless car today that was 100% safe, zero chance for any accident, and even cured cancer while you drive, there would still be driver cars for decades.
The reason is not everyone can go out and buy one, and the government knows that. The people who buy a 1985 Honda for $300 and drive it until it does because that’s all they can afford won’t have the option to go driverless.
The people who just invested 80k into a new top of the model family car won’t accept a ban on their new car.
There may be a point where driver cars are banned, but it won’t be in my lifetime.0 -
Of course such a change won't happen quickly, as I specifically stated in my other post.mace1229 said:
My brother and I had this debate the last few times we saw each other.PJ_Soul said:
If driving is deemed dangerous in a driverless system, the government absolutely will ban it. Public safety trumps individual rights every time. It does now and it will continue to do so. It's simply about transportation technology and infrastructure combined with public safety, just like it works now. This really doesn't have any impact at all on the level of the government's control. There are plenty of vehicles that you can't legally drive on our roads now.Meltdown99 said:None of the people on these forums will likely be alive when/IF driverless car technology ever reach the masses. No, government will not ban people from driving ... and ANYONE who wants a ban on people driving can move to China. Quit giving so much control to government.
What you said is true only to some extent. Safety will trump individual rights, but slowly and within reason. What I mean is if they came out with a driverless car today that was 100% safe, zero chance for any accident, and even cured cancer while you drive, there would still be driver cars for decades.
The reason is not everyone can go out and buy one, and the government knows that. The people who buy a 1985 Honda for $300 and drive it until it does because that’s all they can afford won’t have the option to go driverless.
The people who just invested 80k into a new top of the model family car won’t accept a ban on their new car.
There may be a point where driver cars are banned, but it won’t be in my lifetime.
But it will happen, barring a huge slide backwards for civilization in general of course. If Western civilization takes a huge tumble due to natural or man-made catastrophe(s), then the game changes, obviously, and we'll be lucky to find a gallon of gas to put in a scavenged 1981 Honda Civic while we keep trying to outrun the cannibal hordes, lol.
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Quit giving governnment control over your life...PJ_Soul said:
If driving is deemed dangerous in a driverless system, the government absolutely will ban it. Public safety trumps individual rights every time. It does now and it will continue to do so. It's simply about transportation technology and infrastructure combined with public safety, just like it works now. This really doesn't have any impact at all on the level of the government's control. There are plenty of vehicles that you can't legally drive on our roads now.Meltdown99 said:None of the people on these forums will likely be alive when/IF driverless car technology ever reach the masses. No, government will not ban people from driving ... and ANYONE who wants a ban on people driving can move to China. Quit giving so much control to government.
I will not give up DRIVING...I happen to enjoy getting in my jeep and going for nice drive every once in while. My wheels is my freedom...
Yes, many people die in traffic accidents daily ... thats a risk us drivers are willing to take.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
I have to look for that movie. Thanks for the tip.tempo_n_groove said:
Watch that kids movie Wall.EMeltdown99 said:None of the people on these forums will likely be alive when/IF driverless car technology ever reach the masses. No, government will not ban people from driving ... and ANYONE who wants a ban on people driving can move to China. Quit giving so much control to government.
That is what the world will become eventually.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
When electric cars are available to masses, then maybe driverless cars cab enter the discussion. Neither will reach the masses in our lifetime. The major auto companies are not exactly pumping out electric vehicles...why? because, unlike Tesla they know they can not reach the masses affordably without the government subsidies...Give Peas A Chance…0
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Electriccars will absolutely reach the masses in our lifetime (unless you are a lot older than I think you are!). Car manufacturers are already beginning to plan the end of gas vehicle production - some of the first major companies will be done with them within 5 years from now. Change happens fast sometimes. Imagine what the people with the horses and buggies were thinking about cars. Probably about the same thing you're saying about electric cars and driverless. But how soon after the model-T came to be did cars become ubiquitous? About 20 years.Meltdown99 said:When electric cars are available to masses, then maybe driverless cars cab enter the discussion. Neither will reach the masses in our lifetime. The major auto companies are not exactly pumping out electric vehicles...why? because, unlike Tesla they know they can not reach the masses affordably without the government subsidies...
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
I don't give a flying fuck if you enjoy driving. That has absolutely nothing to do with anything. I'm sure a lot of people enjoyed riding horses everywhere back in 1897 too, but that didn't stop cars from coming along. And I don't know what in the world you think driverless is all about, but it certainly doesn't limit your freedom. But in any case, that part of your thinking is completely moot. We've already established that a complete take-over by driverless technology is too far down the road for your feelings about driving to matter to a single soul.Meltdown99 said:
Quit giving governnment control over your life...PJ_Soul said:
If driving is deemed dangerous in a driverless system, the government absolutely will ban it. Public safety trumps individual rights every time. It does now and it will continue to do so. It's simply about transportation technology and infrastructure combined with public safety, just like it works now. This really doesn't have any impact at all on the level of the government's control. There are plenty of vehicles that you can't legally drive on our roads now.Meltdown99 said:None of the people on these forums will likely be alive when/IF driverless car technology ever reach the masses. No, government will not ban people from driving ... and ANYONE who wants a ban on people driving can move to China. Quit giving so much control to government.
I will not give up DRIVING...I happen to enjoy getting in my jeep and going for nice drive every once in while. My wheels is my freedom...
Yes, many people die in traffic accidents daily ... thats a risk us drivers are willing to take.
Driverless isn't only about safety. It is also about congestion. In fact, that is the MAIN purpose of driverless. Once driverless takes over, traffic jams will essentially be a thing of the past. And given how fast the world's population is growing and is expected to grow, that is going to be a literal necessity.
Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
And I don't give a rats ass about people like you who want to turn control over their life to politicians like fluff. Quit relying on the government to make decisions for you...and your horse analogy is fucking stupid. Who the fuck would choose a horse over a heated car in Canada'a winter...only a fool or out of necessity (like ranchers). You want rid of congestion quit inviting everyone in through fluffs open border policy...people cause congestion.PJ_Soul said:
I don't give a flying fuck if you enjoy driving. That has absolutely nothing to do with anything. I'm sure a lot of people enjoyed riding horses everywhere back in 1897 too, but that didn't stop cars from coming along. And I don't know what in the world you think driverless is all about, but it certainly doesn't limit your freedom. But in any case, that part of your thinking is completely moot. We've already established that a complete take-over by driverless technology is too far down the road for your feelings about driving to matter to a single soul.Meltdown99 said:
Quit giving governnment control over your life...PJ_Soul said:
If driving is deemed dangerous in a driverless system, the government absolutely will ban it. Public safety trumps individual rights every time. It does now and it will continue to do so. It's simply about transportation technology and infrastructure combined with public safety, just like it works now. This really doesn't have any impact at all on the level of the government's control. There are plenty of vehicles that you can't legally drive on our roads now.Meltdown99 said:None of the people on these forums will likely be alive when/IF driverless car technology ever reach the masses. No, government will not ban people from driving ... and ANYONE who wants a ban on people driving can move to China. Quit giving so much control to government.
I will not give up DRIVING...I happen to enjoy getting in my jeep and going for nice drive every once in while. My wheels is my freedom...
Yes, many people die in traffic accidents daily ... thats a risk us drivers are willing to take.
Driverless isn't only about safety. It is also about congestion. In fact, that is the MAIN purpose of driverless. Once driverless takes over, traffic jams will essentially be a thing of the past. And given how fast the world's population is growing and is expected to grow, that is going to be a literal necessity.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Meltdown99 said:
And I don't give a rats ass about people like you who want to turn control over their life to politicians like fluff. Quit relying on the government to make decisions for you...and your horse analogy is fucking stupid. Who the fuck would choose a horse over a heated car in Canada'a winter...only a fool or out of necessity (like ranchers). You want rid of congestion quit inviting everyone in through fluffs open border policy...people cause congestion.PJ_Soul said:
I don't give a flying fuck if you enjoy driving. That has absolutely nothing to do with anything. I'm sure a lot of people enjoyed riding horses everywhere back in 1897 too, but that didn't stop cars from coming along. And I don't know what in the world you think driverless is all about, but it certainly doesn't limit your freedom. But in any case, that part of your thinking is completely moot. We've already established that a complete take-over by driverless technology is too far down the road for your feelings about driving to matter to a single soul.Meltdown99 said:
Quit giving governnment control over your life...PJ_Soul said:
If driving is deemed dangerous in a driverless system, the government absolutely will ban it. Public safety trumps individual rights every time. It does now and it will continue to do so. It's simply about transportation technology and infrastructure combined with public safety, just like it works now. This really doesn't have any impact at all on the level of the government's control. There are plenty of vehicles that you can't legally drive on our roads now.Meltdown99 said:None of the people on these forums will likely be alive when/IF driverless car technology ever reach the masses. No, government will not ban people from driving ... and ANYONE who wants a ban on people driving can move to China. Quit giving so much control to government.
I will not give up DRIVING...I happen to enjoy getting in my jeep and going for nice drive every once in while. My wheels is my freedom...
Yes, many people die in traffic accidents daily ... thats a risk us drivers are willing to take.
Driverless isn't only about safety. It is also about congestion. In fact, that is the MAIN purpose of driverless. Once driverless takes over, traffic jams will essentially be a thing of the past. And given how fast the world's population is growing and is expected to grow, that is going to be a literal necessity.
What are you talking about with this government control bullshit? The government actually has nothing to do with it beyond following the lead of private corporations man. The government will simply make what private corporations will drive feasible by funding infrastructure and creating generally common sense laws to match the reality of change. It will just be the same as when cars came along - the cars were made, people bought them, it became more popular, and THEN government came along to facilitate it with a road infrastructure and some traffic laws.
My analogy may sound stupid, but it is factually based. There was a LOT of kickback when cars came along. People JUST LIKE YOU were against the rise of the automobile. Their minds were not open to change.
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You two fight on every thread?
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Quoting yourself is a sign that you should stop drinking:)PJ_Soul said:Meltdown99 said:
And I don't give a rats ass about people like you who want to turn control over their life to politicians like fluff. Quit relying on the government to make decisions for you...and your horse analogy is fucking stupid. Who the fuck would choose a horse over a heated car in Canada'a winter...only a fool or out of necessity (like ranchers). You want rid of congestion quit inviting everyone in through fluffs open border policy...people cause congestion.PJ_Soul said:
I don't give a flying fuck if you enjoy driving. That has absolutely nothing to do with anything. I'm sure a lot of people enjoyed riding horses everywhere back in 1897 too, but that didn't stop cars from coming along. And I don't know what in the world you think driverless is all about, but it certainly doesn't limit your freedom. But in any case, that part of your thinking is completely moot. We've already established that a complete take-over by driverless technology is too far down the road for your feelings about driving to matter to a single soul.Meltdown99 said:
Quit giving governnment control over your life...PJ_Soul said:
If driving is deemed dangerous in a driverless system, the government absolutely will ban it. Public safety trumps individual rights every time. It does now and it will continue to do so. It's simply about transportation technology and infrastructure combined with public safety, just like it works now. This really doesn't have any impact at all on the level of the government's control. There are plenty of vehicles that you can't legally drive on our roads now.Meltdown99 said:None of the people on these forums will likely be alive when/IF driverless car technology ever reach the masses. No, government will not ban people from driving ... and ANYONE who wants a ban on people driving can move to China. Quit giving so much control to government.
I will not give up DRIVING...I happen to enjoy getting in my jeep and going for nice drive every once in while. My wheels is my freedom...
Yes, many people die in traffic accidents daily ... thats a risk us drivers are willing to take.
Driverless isn't only about safety. It is also about congestion. In fact, that is the MAIN purpose of driverless. Once driverless takes over, traffic jams will essentially be a thing of the past. And given how fast the world's population is growing and is expected to grow, that is going to be a literal necessity. What are you talking about with this government control bullshit? The government actually has nothing to do with it beyond following the lead of private corporations man. The government will simply make what private corporations will drive feasible by funding infrastructure and creating generally common sense laws to match the reality of change. It will just be the same as when cars came along - the cars were made, people bought them, it became more popular, and THEN government came along to facilitate it with a road infrastructure and some traffic laws.
My analogy may sound stupid, but it is factually based. There was a LOT of kickback when cars came along. People JUST LIKE YOU were against the rise of the automobile. Their minds were not open to change.I'm like an opening band for your mom.0 -
Yes, lay off the booze.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
Quoting yourself is a sign that you should stop drinking:)PJ_Soul said:Meltdown99 said:
And I don't give a rats ass about people like you who want to turn control over their life to politicians like fluff. Quit relying on the government to make decisions for you...and your horse analogy is fucking stupid. Who the fuck would choose a horse over a heated car in Canada'a winter...only a fool or out of necessity (like ranchers). You want rid of congestion quit inviting everyone in through fluffs open border policy...people cause congestion.PJ_Soul said:
I don't give a flying fuck if you enjoy driving. That has absolutely nothing to do with anything. I'm sure a lot of people enjoyed riding horses everywhere back in 1897 too, but that didn't stop cars from coming along. And I don't know what in the world you think driverless is all about, but it certainly doesn't limit your freedom. But in any case, that part of your thinking is completely moot. We've already established that a complete take-over by driverless technology is too far down the road for your feelings about driving to matter to a single soul.Meltdown99 said:
Quit giving governnment control over your life...PJ_Soul said:
If driving is deemed dangerous in a driverless system, the government absolutely will ban it. Public safety trumps individual rights every time. It does now and it will continue to do so. It's simply about transportation technology and infrastructure combined with public safety, just like it works now. This really doesn't have any impact at all on the level of the government's control. There are plenty of vehicles that you can't legally drive on our roads now.Meltdown99 said:None of the people on these forums will likely be alive when/IF driverless car technology ever reach the masses. No, government will not ban people from driving ... and ANYONE who wants a ban on people driving can move to China. Quit giving so much control to government.
I will not give up DRIVING...I happen to enjoy getting in my jeep and going for nice drive every once in while. My wheels is my freedom...
Yes, many people die in traffic accidents daily ... thats a risk us drivers are willing to take.
Driverless isn't only about safety. It is also about congestion. In fact, that is the MAIN purpose of driverless. Once driverless takes over, traffic jams will essentially be a thing of the past. And given how fast the world's population is growing and is expected to grow, that is going to be a literal necessity. What are you talking about with this government control bullshit? The government actually has nothing to do with it beyond following the lead of private corporations man. The government will simply make what private corporations will drive feasible by funding infrastructure and creating generally common sense laws to match the reality of change. It will just be the same as when cars came along - the cars were made, people bought them, it became more popular, and THEN government came along to facilitate it with a road infrastructure and some traffic laws.
My analogy may sound stupid, but it is factually based. There was a LOT of kickback when cars came along. People JUST LIKE YOU were against the rise of the automobile. Their minds were not open to change.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Interesting discussion about driver-less vehicles. My own take is that (at least in America, if not some other countries) we are super addicted to driving. Why else would such a high percentage of cars have single drivers? If the government tired to ban driving, we would see a shit storm of rioting and protest like this country has never seen before. I honestly believe that.
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Soul likes to argue. I love that!cincybearcat said:0 -
I agree wth a 100%. The automobile culture in Canada and States is alive and welI. I myself would never give up my right to drive. However, this discussion is moot, I doubt any of us will be around to see driverless car take hold in any meaningful way.brianlux said:Interesting discussion about driver-less vehicles. My own take is that (at least in America, if not some other countries) we are super addicted to driving. Why else would such a high percentage of cars have single drivers? If the government tired to ban driving, we would see a shit storm of rioting and protest like this country has never seen before. I honestly believe that.
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