14 years and counting...

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

dignin said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Meltdown99 said:

Toronto faces having to close community centres, cancel programs to house migrant tide from U.S.

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-faces-having-to-close-community-centres-cancel-programs-to-house-migrant-tide-from-u-s?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1530021674

Nah there no price to pay for illegal migrants...

There always will be, but in the end the benefit outweighs it, if it's done right. why are they jamming all of these people in one of the most densely populated cities in canada?

What's the benefit? I'm asking this seriously because I really don't know the answer.

economically. 

You'll have to excuse my ignorance but again, I'm not following you. How do asylum seekers and refugees help the economy?

And I made a point here to say "asylum seekers and refugees" because that's what the article says. Meltdown99, who posted the article, referred to it as illegal immigration, which is different.

I fail to see how they help the economy?  The Ontario government spends around 11000 per child to educate, Many of the asylum seeker have more than 3 kids ... 3 kids alone is $33000/ year in services ... these asylum seekers will never pay that amount of tax, not the mention the extra strain on our government run health care.

Yeah this was the answer I kinda looking for. I think it's a stress on the American (or in this case, Canadian) government to provide for these asylum seekers. It doesn't seem like it helps the economy like HFD has suggested it does.

Wait? Instead of doing a little research to find some facts you settle for "the answer I kinda looking for", from a guy providing an uniformed opinion? 

Yikes.

Ledbetterman, If I were you I'd never take what meltdown says as an informed opinion. He has no real idea of how immigrants benefit the economy at the end of the day, and therefore just assumes they don't by looking at selective info from a biased position. Once he finds enough info to make it look like his preconceived notion is correct, he stops, and presents his conclusions in a way that makes some think it's an informed opinion.

That's fair enough. After all, he didn't exactly have anything to back up his numbers. And yet, when HughFreakinDillion linked to a study that seems to be from credible source, I took THAT with a grain of salt. Why? Well I hate to admit it, but maybe I'm looking to be convinced of that someone like Meltdown is right about immigration. I guess I'm just on the conservative side of the fence on this immigration thing.

It's really just the difference between a narrow view and wide view... I think we all know which view is the best one.

I just hate extremes. The illegal immigration extremes are....

Conservative: GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY!
Liberal: We're all immigrants! Don't be a hypocrite.

I think the answers fall someone where in the middle.

It does.

Illegal.
Legal.

That is it.

Yes, when you remove all empathy and humanity from the equation, it is that simple. Too bad that impossible in practice unless you're evil and/or a psychopath.

PJ_Soul said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Let's just agree not to respond to each other from now on.  I see your comments/opinions as worthless as you see mine, but at least I live in the country of which I speak.

This is almost poetic. Read your comment out loud in an English accent. It's very dignified, and an admirable way to end an argument. 

Are you joking?? That last part is the exact opposite of admirable, and reflective of a fair bit of ignorance.

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

dignin said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Meltdown99 said:

Toronto faces having to close community centres, cancel programs to house migrant tide from U.S.

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-faces-having-to-close-community-centres-cancel-programs-to-house-migrant-tide-from-u-s?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1530021674

Nah there no price to pay for illegal migrants...

There always will be, but in the end the benefit outweighs it, if it's done right. why are they jamming all of these people in one of the most densely populated cities in canada?

What's the benefit? I'm asking this seriously because I really don't know the answer.

economically. 

You'll have to excuse my ignorance but again, I'm not following you. How do asylum seekers and refugees help the economy?

And I made a point here to say "asylum seekers and refugees" because that's what the article says. Meltdown99, who posted the article, referred to it as illegal immigration, which is different.

I fail to see how they help the economy?  The Ontario government spends around 11000 per child to educate, Many of the asylum seeker have more than 3 kids ... 3 kids alone is $33000/ year in services ... these asylum seekers will never pay that amount of tax, not the mention the extra strain on our government run health care.

Yeah this was the answer I kinda looking for. I think it's a stress on the American (or in this case, Canadian) government to provide for these asylum seekers. It doesn't seem like it helps the economy like HFD has suggested it does.

Wait? Instead of doing a little research to find some facts you settle for "the answer I kinda looking for", from a guy providing an uniformed opinion? 

Yikes.

Ledbetterman, If I were you I'd never take what meltdown says as an informed opinion. He has no real idea of how immigrants benefit the economy at the end of the day, and therefore just assumes they don't by looking at selective info from a biased position. Once he finds enough info to make it look like his preconceived notion is correct, he stops, and presents his conclusions in a way that makes some think it's an informed opinion.

That's fair enough. After all, he didn't exactly have anything to back up his numbers. And yet, when HughFreakinDillion linked to a study that seems to be from credible source, I took THAT with a grain of salt. Why? Well I hate to admit it, but maybe I'm looking to be convinced of that someone like Meltdown is right about immigration. I guess I'm just on the conservative side of the fence on this immigration thing.

It's really just the difference between a narrow view and wide view... I think we all know which view is the best one.

I just hate extremes. The illegal immigration extremes are....

Conservative: GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY!
Liberal: We're all immigrants! Don't be a hypocrite.

I think the answers fall someone where in the middle.

It does.

Illegal.
Legal.

That is it.

Yes, when you remove all empathy and humanity from the equation, it is that simple. Too bad that impossible in practice unless you're evil and/or a psychopath.

unsung said:

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

dignin said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Meltdown99 said:

Toronto faces having to close community centres, cancel programs to house migrant tide from U.S.

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-faces-having-to-close-community-centres-cancel-programs-to-house-migrant-tide-from-u-s?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1530021674

Nah there no price to pay for illegal migrants...

There always will be, but in the end the benefit outweighs it, if it's done right. why are they jamming all of these people in one of the most densely populated cities in canada?

What's the benefit? I'm asking this seriously because I really don't know the answer.

economically. 

You'll have to excuse my ignorance but again, I'm not following you. How do asylum seekers and refugees help the economy?

And I made a point here to say "asylum seekers and refugees" because that's what the article says. Meltdown99, who posted the article, referred to it as illegal immigration, which is different.

I fail to see how they help the economy?  The Ontario government spends around 11000 per child to educate, Many of the asylum seeker have more than 3 kids ... 3 kids alone is $33000/ year in services ... these asylum seekers will never pay that amount of tax, not the mention the extra strain on our government run health care.

Yeah this was the answer I kinda looking for. I think it's a stress on the American (or in this case, Canadian) government to provide for these asylum seekers. It doesn't seem like it helps the economy like HFD has suggested it does.

Wait? Instead of doing a little research to find some facts you settle for "the answer I kinda looking for", from a guy providing an uniformed opinion? 

Yikes.

Ledbetterman, If I were you I'd never take what meltdown says as an informed opinion. He has no real idea of how immigrants benefit the economy at the end of the day, and therefore just assumes they don't by looking at selective info from a biased position. Once he finds enough info to make it look like his preconceived notion is correct, he stops, and presents his conclusions in a way that makes some think it's an informed opinion.

That's fair enough. After all, he didn't exactly have anything to back up his numbers. And yet, when HughFreakinDillion linked to a study that seems to be from credible source, I took THAT with a grain of salt. Why? Well I hate to admit it, but maybe I'm looking to be convinced of that someone like Meltdown is right about immigration. I guess I'm just on the conservative side of the fence on this immigration thing.

It's really just the difference between a narrow view and wide view... I think we all know which view is the best one.

I just hate extremes. The illegal immigration extremes are....

Conservative: GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY!
Liberal: We're all immigrants! Don't be a hypocrite.

I think the answers fall someone where in the middle.

It does.

Illegal.
Legal.

That is it.

Yes, when you remove all empathy and humanity from the equation, it is that simple. Too bad that impossible in practice unless you're evil and/or a psychopath.

Does that make Kate Steinle's family evil and psychopaths too?

unsung said:

I mean because an illegal killed her.

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

HesCalledDyer said:

unsung said:

I mean because an illegal killed her.

"An illegal"

Illegal is not a fucking noun.  A human being cannot be "an illegal."  

Sorry, illegal alien.

never really understood using "alien" in this context. what's wrong with immigrant?

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

HesCalledDyer said:

unsung said:

I mean because an illegal killed her.

"An illegal"

Illegal is not a fucking noun.  A human being cannot be "an illegal."  

Sorry, illegal alien.

never really understood using "alien" in this context. what's wrong with immigrant?

It's an old school term that has been bastardized now.  The term that is supposed to be used is "undocumented".  The term immigrant or alien is now faux pas.

I thought undocumented was just an adjective, not a noun. I thought it was "undocumented immigrant". not just undocumented. since when is immigrant a faux pas?

tempo_n_groove said:

Boy did this thread die.