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Decriminalization of all drugs is a good idea. No user should ever get a criminal record from using...PJ_Soul said:
Who the heck said anything about an open border?LongestRoad said:
I've been defending immigrants. If you can't see the problems that are causing immigrants to flee their countries, there is a real problem. They're not risking their lives and freedom for no reason other than to hang in America. Don't brush the atrocities being commited down south and in our border towns under the carpet so we can have an open border. I'm sure the people fleeing those countries don't want that garbage following them here either. One of your posts talked about legalized drugs to combat the corruption, that would be the biggest mistake ever. Let's take a look at the "legalized" pain management clinics that popped up all over the country when Bush was in office. Now we have the mega pill popping epidemic. Let's stick to just legalizing marijuana, at least that's something that can help some people, you never hear of someone overdosing on weed and maybe if all the leaders of the world passed around the peace pipe before starting their talks more may be accomplished towards peace. lol. And no I don't smoke.brianlux said:LongestRoad said:
You are also twisting my words. Are you saying there are only criminal American citizens?? There has never been a criminal from south of the border come into this country? Stop trying to focus on twisting my words to sound like I think the majority of immigrants coming into this country are criminals. But you can bet your ass I don't want any of the drug dealing rapist gang members coming into this country no matter how small a percentage there is of them. Not one of those scumbags should be able to sneak in. Not only for the people that are already here but also for the immigrants that those low lifes try to prey on. Are the liberals able to comprehend that without twisting my words? I have a hunch not. loloftenreading said:LongestRoad said:the response above is twisting my words
No, it isn't. Your words weren't even used, let alone twisted. H2TM was responding to your comment concerning perceived criminality among immigrants.
Why do you focus so much on the outliers? You do know that every group has it's criminal element, right? But, that really has little to do with the topic of immigration here anyway and yet you keep focusing on it. Are your letting fear talk? And your wording... "criminals from the south", "drug dealing rapist gang members", "scumbags". You really set yourself up for coming across as having some serious prejudices. You never talk about the vast majority of these people who are simply trying to flee from a terrible situation. You express no empathy for the down-trodden. You only talk about the outliers, those few nefarious souls (and yes there are some) but almost nothing about the vast many who are victims of injustice. Your viewpoint is extremely narrow. And I'm not going to claim that is because you are a "conservative" the way you categorize several of us as "liberals". No, I suspect your viewpoint is narrow because you are fearful. Good God, are these supposedly bad people beating down your door, raping your female family members, roaming your streets like packs of wolves and selling drugs behind your house? Jeez, I hope not!
I suggest you do a little research on Portugal's decriminalization of all drugs, so you actually know how such an idea can really work well.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Cheech and Chong can mediate the dispute ...brianlux said:LongestRoad said:
I've been defending immigrants. If you can't see the problems that are causing immigrants to flee their countries, there is a real problem. They're not risking their lives and freedom for no reason other than to hang in America. Don't brush the atrocities being commited down south and in our border towns under the carpet so we can have an open border. I'm sure the people fleeing those countries don't want that garbage following them here either. One of your posts talked about legalized drugs to combat the corruption, that would be the biggest mistake ever. Let's take a look at the "legalized" pain management clinics that popped up all over the country when Bush was in office. Now we have the mega pill popping epidemic. Let's stick to just legalizing marijuana, at least that's something that can help some people, you never hear of someone overdosing on weed and maybe if all the leaders of the world passed around the peace pipe before starting their talks more may be accomplished towards peace. lol. And no I don't smoke.brianlux said:LongestRoad said:
You are also twisting my words. Are you saying there are only criminal American citizens?? There has never been a criminal from south of the border come into this country? Stop trying to focus on twisting my words to sound like I think the majority of immigrants coming into this country are criminals. But you can bet your ass I don't want any of the drug dealing rapist gang members coming into this country no matter how small a percentage there is of them. Not one of those scumbags should be able to sneak in. Not only for the people that are already here but also for the immigrants that those low lifes try to prey on. Are the liberals able to comprehend that without twisting my words? I have a hunch not. loloftenreading said:LongestRoad said:the response above is twisting my words
No, it isn't. Your words weren't even used, let alone twisted. H2TM was responding to your comment concerning perceived criminality among immigrants.
Why do you focus so much on the outliers? You do know that every group has it's criminal element, right? But, that really has little to do with the topic of immigration here anyway and yet you keep focusing on it. Are your letting fear talk? And your wording... "criminals from the south", "drug dealing rapist gang members", "scumbags". You really set yourself up for coming across as having some serious prejudices. You never talk about the vast majority of these people who are simply trying to flee from a terrible situation. You express no empathy for the down-trodden. You only talk about the outliers, those few nefarious souls (and yes there are some) but almost nothing about the vast many who are victims of injustice. Your viewpoint is extremely narrow. And I'm not going to claim that is because you are a "conservative" the way you categorize several of us as "liberals". No, I suspect your viewpoint is narrow because you are fearful. Good God, are these supposedly bad people beating down your door, raping your female family members, roaming your streets like packs of wolves and selling drugs behind your house? Jeez, I hope not!Whoa, first of all I'm really surprised you say I "can't see the problems that are causing immigrants to flee their countries" when I've mentioned that several times. And when have I "brushed aside the atrocities committed down south and in our border towns under thee carpet"? I have not done that. Those statements left me scratching my head.As for legalizing ALL drugs, I have held that opinion for decades. It's not a popular opinion, it is never going to happen, but I belief it would be a very good idea. Users are going to use, legal or not. Plus, making drugs illegal increases crime. Is this not a fact? I think so. Plus, our prisons have huge numbers of people in them that committed no crime other that shooting up some junk or smoking something or snorting something up their nose. Instead of spending more money on prisons, I think it would make more sense to set up more rehab centers, and improve education and reduce poverty so that people would be less likely to turn to drugs. If we spent more energy on improving the environment and promoting healthy choices, fewer people would turn to drugs. These are all reasons I stand by my belief that ALL drugs should be made legal or at the very least, decriminalized.As for weed, yeah, seeing Trump and Jong-un would be rather entertaining. But the thing is, pot makes some people gooffy or even stupid so don't expect too much!
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Maybe rehab centres don't work because when people leave their rehab centre and get back in the world, and see how stupid the world has gotten ... they suddenly remember why they enjoy be high...LongestRoad said:
That wasn't meant for you. I'm just tired of the reasons immigrants fleeing are being minimized.brianlux said:LongestRoad said:
I've been defending immigrants. If you can't see the problems that are causing immigrants to flee their countries, there is a real problem. They're not risking their lives and freedom for no reason other than to hang in America. Don't brush the atrocities being commited down south and in our border towns under the carpet so we can have an open border. I'm sure the people fleeing those countries don't want that garbage following them here either. One of your posts talked about legalized drugs to combat the corruption, that would be the biggest mistake ever. Let's take a look at the "legalized" pain management clinics that popped up all over the country when Bush was in office. Now we have the mega pill popping epidemic. Let's stick to just legalizing marijuana, at least that's something that can help some people, you never hear of someone overdosing on weed and maybe if all the leaders of the world passed around the peace pipe before starting their talks more may be accomplished towards peace. lol. And no I don't smoke.brianlux said:LongestRoad said:
You are also twisting my words. Are you saying there are only criminal American citizens?? There has never been a criminal from south of the border come into this country? Stop trying to focus on twisting my words to sound like I think the majority of immigrants coming into this country are criminals. But you can bet your ass I don't want any of the drug dealing rapist gang members coming into this country no matter how small a percentage there is of them. Not one of those scumbags should be able to sneak in. Not only for the people that are already here but also for the immigrants that those low lifes try to prey on. Are the liberals able to comprehend that without twisting my words? I have a hunch not. loloftenreading said:LongestRoad said:the response above is twisting my words
No, it isn't. Your words weren't even used, let alone twisted. H2TM was responding to your comment concerning perceived criminality among immigrants.
Why do you focus so much on the outliers? You do know that every group has it's criminal element, right? But, that really has little to do with the topic of immigration here anyway and yet you keep focusing on it. Are your letting fear talk? And your wording... "criminals from the south", "drug dealing rapist gang members", "scumbags". You really set yourself up for coming across as having some serious prejudices. You never talk about the vast majority of these people who are simply trying to flee from a terrible situation. You express no empathy for the down-trodden. You only talk about the outliers, those few nefarious souls (and yes there are some) but almost nothing about the vast many who are victims of injustice. Your viewpoint is extremely narrow. And I'm not going to claim that is because you are a "conservative" the way you categorize several of us as "liberals". No, I suspect your viewpoint is narrow because you are fearful. Good God, are these supposedly bad people beating down your door, raping your female family members, roaming your streets like packs of wolves and selling drugs behind your house? Jeez, I hope not!Whoa, first of all I'm really surprised you say I "can't see the problems that are causing immigrants to flee their countries" when I've mentioned that several times. And when have I "brushed aside the atrocities committed down south and in our border towns under thee carpet"? I have not done that. Those statements left me scratching my head.As for legalizing ALL drugs, I have held that opinion for decades. It's not a popular opinion, it is never going to happen, but I belief it would be a very good idea. Users are going to use, legal or not. Plus, making drugs illegal increases crime. Is this not a fact? I think so. Plus, our prisons have huge numbers of people in them that committed no crime other that shooting up some junk or smoking something or snorting something up their nose. Instead of spending more money on prisons, I think it would make more sense to set up more rehab centers, and improve education and reduce poverty so that people would be less likely to turn to drugs. If we spent more energy on improving the environment and promoting healthy choices, fewer people would turn to drugs. These are all reasons I stand by my belief that ALL drugs should be made legal or at the very least, decriminalized.As for weed, yeah, seeing Trump and Jong-un would be rather entertaining. But the thing is, pot makes some people gooffy or even stupid so don't expect too much!
For some leaders, they may already be stupid.
The rehab centers are a lot of the time short term solutions. If people have access to drugs once they get out and even sometimes when they're still in rehab it's not enough to fix the problem. Education, "just say no to drugs" education didn't stop all the kids from getting into drugs. Reduce poverty? There's plenty, plenty of wealthy drug addicts.
Instead of legalizing drugs, make it a mandatory life in prison for drug dealers up to the death penalty(that'll reduce the prison population) if a drug related fatality can be linked to them. They're murderers. If not immediate as in some cases, eventually they murder people and destroy families. There are people with addictive personalities who can't do anything in moderation. Remove the drug dealers, remove the problem. Problem solved.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Many migrants are entering Canada illegally as well ... causing problems in Toronto.thispureamericanriot said:People should enter the United States legally, just like in every other country. Amnesty to those is extreme circumstances.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
LongestRoad said:
That wasn't meant for you. I'm just tired of the reasons immigrants fleeing are being minimized.brianlux said:LongestRoad said:
I've been defending immigrants. If you can't see the problems that are causing immigrants to flee their countries, there is a real problem. They're not risking their lives and freedom for no reason other than to hang in America. Don't brush the atrocities being commited down south and in our border towns under the carpet so we can have an open border. I'm sure the people fleeing those countries don't want that garbage following them here either. One of your posts talked about legalized drugs to combat the corruption, that would be the biggest mistake ever. Let's take a look at the "legalized" pain management clinics that popped up all over the country when Bush was in office. Now we have the mega pill popping epidemic. Let's stick to just legalizing marijuana, at least that's something that can help some people, you never hear of someone overdosing on weed and maybe if all the leaders of the world passed around the peace pipe before starting their talks more may be accomplished towards peace. lol. And no I don't smoke.brianlux said:LongestRoad said:
You are also twisting my words. Are you saying there are only criminal American citizens?? There has never been a criminal from south of the border come into this country? Stop trying to focus on twisting my words to sound like I think the majority of immigrants coming into this country are criminals. But you can bet your ass I don't want any of the drug dealing rapist gang members coming into this country no matter how small a percentage there is of them. Not one of those scumbags should be able to sneak in. Not only for the people that are already here but also for the immigrants that those low lifes try to prey on. Are the liberals able to comprehend that without twisting my words? I have a hunch not. loloftenreading said:LongestRoad said:the response above is twisting my words
No, it isn't. Your words weren't even used, let alone twisted. H2TM was responding to your comment concerning perceived criminality among immigrants.
Why do you focus so much on the outliers? You do know that every group has it's criminal element, right? But, that really has little to do with the topic of immigration here anyway and yet you keep focusing on it. Are your letting fear talk? And your wording... "criminals from the south", "drug dealing rapist gang members", "scumbags". You really set yourself up for coming across as having some serious prejudices. You never talk about the vast majority of these people who are simply trying to flee from a terrible situation. You express no empathy for the down-trodden. You only talk about the outliers, those few nefarious souls (and yes there are some) but almost nothing about the vast many who are victims of injustice. Your viewpoint is extremely narrow. And I'm not going to claim that is because you are a "conservative" the way you categorize several of us as "liberals". No, I suspect your viewpoint is narrow because you are fearful. Good God, are these supposedly bad people beating down your door, raping your female family members, roaming your streets like packs of wolves and selling drugs behind your house? Jeez, I hope not!Whoa, first of all I'm really surprised you say I "can't see the problems that are causing immigrants to flee their countries" when I've mentioned that several times. And when have I "brushed aside the atrocities committed down south and in our border towns under thee carpet"? I have not done that. Those statements left me scratching my head.As for legalizing ALL drugs, I have held that opinion for decades. It's not a popular opinion, it is never going to happen, but I belief it would be a very good idea. Users are going to use, legal or not. Plus, making drugs illegal increases crime. Is this not a fact? I think so. Plus, our prisons have huge numbers of people in them that committed no crime other that shooting up some junk or smoking something or snorting something up their nose. Instead of spending more money on prisons, I think it would make more sense to set up more rehab centers, and improve education and reduce poverty so that people would be less likely to turn to drugs. If we spent more energy on improving the environment and promoting healthy choices, fewer people would turn to drugs. These are all reasons I stand by my belief that ALL drugs should be made legal or at the very least, decriminalized.As for weed, yeah, seeing Trump and Jong-un would be rather entertaining. But the thing is, pot makes some people gooffy or even stupid so don't expect too much!
For some leaders, they may already be stupid.
The rehab centers are a lot of the time short term solutions. If people have access to drugs once they get out and even sometimes when they're still in rehab it's not enough to fix the problem. Education, "just say no to drugs" education didn't stop all the kids from getting into drugs. Reduce poverty? There's plenty, plenty of wealthy drug addicts.
Instead of legalizing drugs, make it a mandatory life in prison for drug dealers up to the death penalty(that'll reduce the prison population) if a drug related fatality can be linked to them. They're murderers. If not immediate as in some cases, eventually they murder people and destroy families. There are people with addictive personalities who can't do anything in moderation. Remove the drug dealers, remove the problem. Problem solved.That's what Trump has proposed but it's not that easy and many believe that will not work. This article talks about that:Now look at this solution: In 2001, Portugal decriminalized all drugs and their drug problems have dropped drastically. We've talked about this on AMT before. The positive results in Portugal are well established. Here's some info on that:I wouldn't be too quick to drop "easy" solutions offered by someone who doesn't understand the problem (or much of anything of importance, for that matter.)
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Portugal has a population of 10 million.brianlux said:LongestRoad said:
That wasn't meant for you. I'm just tired of the reasons immigrants fleeing are being minimized.brianlux said:LongestRoad said:
I've been defending immigrants. If you can't see the problems that are causing immigrants to flee their countries, there is a real problem. They're not risking their lives and freedom for no reason other than to hang in America. Don't brush the atrocities being commited down south and in our border towns under the carpet so we can have an open border. I'm sure the people fleeing those countries don't want that garbage following them here either. One of your posts talked about legalized drugs to combat the corruption, that would be the biggest mistake ever. Let's take a look at the "legalized" pain management clinics that popped up all over the country when Bush was in office. Now we have the mega pill popping epidemic. Let's stick to just legalizing marijuana, at least that's something that can help some people, you never hear of someone overdosing on weed and maybe if all the leaders of the world passed around the peace pipe before starting their talks more may be accomplished towards peace. lol. And no I don't smoke.brianlux said:LongestRoad said:
You are also twisting my words. Are you saying there are only criminal American citizens?? There has never been a criminal from south of the border come into this country? Stop trying to focus on twisting my words to sound like I think the majority of immigrants coming into this country are criminals. But you can bet your ass I don't want any of the drug dealing rapist gang members coming into this country no matter how small a percentage there is of them. Not one of those scumbags should be able to sneak in. Not only for the people that are already here but also for the immigrants that those low lifes try to prey on. Are the liberals able to comprehend that without twisting my words? I have a hunch not. loloftenreading said:LongestRoad said:the response above is twisting my words
No, it isn't. Your words weren't even used, let alone twisted. H2TM was responding to your comment concerning perceived criminality among immigrants.
Why do you focus so much on the outliers? You do know that every group has it's criminal element, right? But, that really has little to do with the topic of immigration here anyway and yet you keep focusing on it. Are your letting fear talk? And your wording... "criminals from the south", "drug dealing rapist gang members", "scumbags". You really set yourself up for coming across as having some serious prejudices. You never talk about the vast majority of these people who are simply trying to flee from a terrible situation. You express no empathy for the down-trodden. You only talk about the outliers, those few nefarious souls (and yes there are some) but almost nothing about the vast many who are victims of injustice. Your viewpoint is extremely narrow. And I'm not going to claim that is because you are a "conservative" the way you categorize several of us as "liberals". No, I suspect your viewpoint is narrow because you are fearful. Good God, are these supposedly bad people beating down your door, raping your female family members, roaming your streets like packs of wolves and selling drugs behind your house? Jeez, I hope not!Whoa, first of all I'm really surprised you say I "can't see the problems that are causing immigrants to flee their countries" when I've mentioned that several times. And when have I "brushed aside the atrocities committed down south and in our border towns under thee carpet"? I have not done that. Those statements left me scratching my head.As for legalizing ALL drugs, I have held that opinion for decades. It's not a popular opinion, it is never going to happen, but I belief it would be a very good idea. Users are going to use, legal or not. Plus, making drugs illegal increases crime. Is this not a fact? I think so. Plus, our prisons have huge numbers of people in them that committed no crime other that shooting up some junk or smoking something or snorting something up their nose. Instead of spending more money on prisons, I think it would make more sense to set up more rehab centers, and improve education and reduce poverty so that people would be less likely to turn to drugs. If we spent more energy on improving the environment and promoting healthy choices, fewer people would turn to drugs. These are all reasons I stand by my belief that ALL drugs should be made legal or at the very least, decriminalized.As for weed, yeah, seeing Trump and Jong-un would be rather entertaining. But the thing is, pot makes some people gooffy or even stupid so don't expect too much!
For some leaders, they may already be stupid.
The rehab centers are a lot of the time short term solutions. If people have access to drugs once they get out and even sometimes when they're still in rehab it's not enough to fix the problem. Education, "just say no to drugs" education didn't stop all the kids from getting into drugs. Reduce poverty? There's plenty, plenty of wealthy drug addicts.
Instead of legalizing drugs, make it a mandatory life in prison for drug dealers up to the death penalty(that'll reduce the prison population) if a drug related fatality can be linked to them. They're murderers. If not immediate as in some cases, eventually they murder people and destroy families. There are people with addictive personalities who can't do anything in moderation. Remove the drug dealers, remove the problem. Problem solved.That's what Trump has proposed but it's not that easy and many believe that will not work. This article talks about that:Now look at this solution: In 2001, Portugal decriminalized all drugs and their drug problems have dropped drastically. We've talked about this on AMT before. The positive results in Portugal are well established. Here's some info on that:I wouldn't be too quick to drop "easy" solutions offered by someone who doesn't understand the problem (or much of anything of importance, for that matter.)
We have a population of about 25 million illicit drug users. That's not pot, that's hard stuff.
Decriminalizing all drugs could get really bad before they got better. It took almost 3 generations before crack use went down but now Opioids are on a skyrocketing user rate and killing people even quicker.
Having those drugs that easy to get would be a major problem for this country.
I do think we need to offer more info on the matter and offer more rehabilitation on it rather than throw people in to prison.0 -
I don't get why population size keeps coming up in the discussion about legalizing all drugs. or really, in any discussion where people are suggesting the US try something different.tempo_n_groove said:
Portugal has a population of 10 million.brianlux said:LongestRoad said:
That wasn't meant for you. I'm just tired of the reasons immigrants fleeing are being minimized.brianlux said:LongestRoad said:
I've been defending immigrants. If you can't see the problems that are causing immigrants to flee their countries, there is a real problem. They're not risking their lives and freedom for no reason other than to hang in America. Don't brush the atrocities being commited down south and in our border towns under the carpet so we can have an open border. I'm sure the people fleeing those countries don't want that garbage following them here either. One of your posts talked about legalized drugs to combat the corruption, that would be the biggest mistake ever. Let's take a look at the "legalized" pain management clinics that popped up all over the country when Bush was in office. Now we have the mega pill popping epidemic. Let's stick to just legalizing marijuana, at least that's something that can help some people, you never hear of someone overdosing on weed and maybe if all the leaders of the world passed around the peace pipe before starting their talks more may be accomplished towards peace. lol. And no I don't smoke.brianlux said:LongestRoad said:
You are also twisting my words. Are you saying there are only criminal American citizens?? There has never been a criminal from south of the border come into this country? Stop trying to focus on twisting my words to sound like I think the majority of immigrants coming into this country are criminals. But you can bet your ass I don't want any of the drug dealing rapist gang members coming into this country no matter how small a percentage there is of them. Not one of those scumbags should be able to sneak in. Not only for the people that are already here but also for the immigrants that those low lifes try to prey on. Are the liberals able to comprehend that without twisting my words? I have a hunch not. loloftenreading said:LongestRoad said:the response above is twisting my words
No, it isn't. Your words weren't even used, let alone twisted. H2TM was responding to your comment concerning perceived criminality among immigrants.
Why do you focus so much on the outliers? You do know that every group has it's criminal element, right? But, that really has little to do with the topic of immigration here anyway and yet you keep focusing on it. Are your letting fear talk? And your wording... "criminals from the south", "drug dealing rapist gang members", "scumbags". You really set yourself up for coming across as having some serious prejudices. You never talk about the vast majority of these people who are simply trying to flee from a terrible situation. You express no empathy for the down-trodden. You only talk about the outliers, those few nefarious souls (and yes there are some) but almost nothing about the vast many who are victims of injustice. Your viewpoint is extremely narrow. And I'm not going to claim that is because you are a "conservative" the way you categorize several of us as "liberals". No, I suspect your viewpoint is narrow because you are fearful. Good God, are these supposedly bad people beating down your door, raping your female family members, roaming your streets like packs of wolves and selling drugs behind your house? Jeez, I hope not!Whoa, first of all I'm really surprised you say I "can't see the problems that are causing immigrants to flee their countries" when I've mentioned that several times. And when have I "brushed aside the atrocities committed down south and in our border towns under thee carpet"? I have not done that. Those statements left me scratching my head.As for legalizing ALL drugs, I have held that opinion for decades. It's not a popular opinion, it is never going to happen, but I belief it would be a very good idea. Users are going to use, legal or not. Plus, making drugs illegal increases crime. Is this not a fact? I think so. Plus, our prisons have huge numbers of people in them that committed no crime other that shooting up some junk or smoking something or snorting something up their nose. Instead of spending more money on prisons, I think it would make more sense to set up more rehab centers, and improve education and reduce poverty so that people would be less likely to turn to drugs. If we spent more energy on improving the environment and promoting healthy choices, fewer people would turn to drugs. These are all reasons I stand by my belief that ALL drugs should be made legal or at the very least, decriminalized.As for weed, yeah, seeing Trump and Jong-un would be rather entertaining. But the thing is, pot makes some people gooffy or even stupid so don't expect too much!
For some leaders, they may already be stupid.
The rehab centers are a lot of the time short term solutions. If people have access to drugs once they get out and even sometimes when they're still in rehab it's not enough to fix the problem. Education, "just say no to drugs" education didn't stop all the kids from getting into drugs. Reduce poverty? There's plenty, plenty of wealthy drug addicts.
Instead of legalizing drugs, make it a mandatory life in prison for drug dealers up to the death penalty(that'll reduce the prison population) if a drug related fatality can be linked to them. They're murderers. If not immediate as in some cases, eventually they murder people and destroy families. There are people with addictive personalities who can't do anything in moderation. Remove the drug dealers, remove the problem. Problem solved.That's what Trump has proposed but it's not that easy and many believe that will not work. This article talks about that:Now look at this solution: In 2001, Portugal decriminalized all drugs and their drug problems have dropped drastically. We've talked about this on AMT before. The positive results in Portugal are well established. Here's some info on that:I wouldn't be too quick to drop "easy" solutions offered by someone who doesn't understand the problem (or much of anything of importance, for that matter.)
We have a population of about 25 million illicit drug users. That's not pot, that's hard stuff.
Decriminalizing all drugs could get really bad before they got better. It took almost 3 generations before crack use went down but now Opioids are on a skyrocketing user rate and killing people even quicker.
Having those drugs that easy to get would be a major problem for this country.
I do think we need to offer more info on the matter and offer more rehabilitation on it rather than throw people in to prison.
I would like to see some hard evidence suggesting population size has any affect whatsoever on the prevalence of illicit drug use.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
I'll refrain as this should be about immigration.I don't get why population size keeps coming up in the discussion about legalizing all drugs. or really, in any discussion where people are suggesting the US try something different.
I would like to see some hard evidence suggesting population size has any affect whatsoever on the prevalence of illicit drug use.
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I forgot to add the link...tempo_n_groove said:
I'll refrain as this should be about immigration.I don't get why population size keeps coming up in the discussion about legalizing all drugs. or really, in any discussion where people are suggesting the US try something different.
I would like to see some hard evidence suggesting population size has any affect whatsoever on the prevalence of illicit drug use.
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They are raiding towns now. Isn't that what got sheriff Joe arrested?
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That would definitely be a move in the right direction.tempo_n_groove said:
Portugal has a population of 10 million.brianlux said:LongestRoad said:
That wasn't meant for you. I'm just tired of the reasons immigrants fleeing are being minimized.brianlux said:LongestRoad said:
I've been defending immigrants. If you can't see the problems that are causing immigrants to flee their countries, there is a real problem. They're not risking their lives and freedom for no reason other than to hang in America. Don't brush the atrocities being commited down south and in our border towns under the carpet so we can have an open border. I'm sure the people fleeing those countries don't want that garbage following them here either. One of your posts talked about legalized drugs to combat the corruption, that would be the biggest mistake ever. Let's take a look at the "legalized" pain management clinics that popped up all over the country when Bush was in office. Now we have the mega pill popping epidemic. Let's stick to just legalizing marijuana, at least that's something that can help some people, you never hear of someone overdosing on weed and maybe if all the leaders of the world passed around the peace pipe before starting their talks more may be accomplished towards peace. lol. And no I don't smoke.brianlux said:LongestRoad said:
You are also twisting my words. Are you saying there are only criminal American citizens?? There has never been a criminal from south of the border come into this country? Stop trying to focus on twisting my words to sound like I think the majority of immigrants coming into this country are criminals. But you can bet your ass I don't want any of the drug dealing rapist gang members coming into this country no matter how small a percentage there is of them. Not one of those scumbags should be able to sneak in. Not only for the people that are already here but also for the immigrants that those low lifes try to prey on. Are the liberals able to comprehend that without twisting my words? I have a hunch not. loloftenreading said:LongestRoad said:the response above is twisting my words
No, it isn't. Your words weren't even used, let alone twisted. H2TM was responding to your comment concerning perceived criminality among immigrants.
Why do you focus so much on the outliers? You do know that every group has it's criminal element, right? But, that really has little to do with the topic of immigration here anyway and yet you keep focusing on it. Are your letting fear talk? And your wording... "criminals from the south", "drug dealing rapist gang members", "scumbags". You really set yourself up for coming across as having some serious prejudices. You never talk about the vast majority of these people who are simply trying to flee from a terrible situation. You express no empathy for the down-trodden. You only talk about the outliers, those few nefarious souls (and yes there are some) but almost nothing about the vast many who are victims of injustice. Your viewpoint is extremely narrow. And I'm not going to claim that is because you are a "conservative" the way you categorize several of us as "liberals". No, I suspect your viewpoint is narrow because you are fearful. Good God, are these supposedly bad people beating down your door, raping your female family members, roaming your streets like packs of wolves and selling drugs behind your house? Jeez, I hope not!Whoa, first of all I'm really surprised you say I "can't see the problems that are causing immigrants to flee their countries" when I've mentioned that several times. And when have I "brushed aside the atrocities committed down south and in our border towns under thee carpet"? I have not done that. Those statements left me scratching my head.As for legalizing ALL drugs, I have held that opinion for decades. It's not a popular opinion, it is never going to happen, but I belief it would be a very good idea. Users are going to use, legal or not. Plus, making drugs illegal increases crime. Is this not a fact? I think so. Plus, our prisons have huge numbers of people in them that committed no crime other that shooting up some junk or smoking something or snorting something up their nose. Instead of spending more money on prisons, I think it would make more sense to set up more rehab centers, and improve education and reduce poverty so that people would be less likely to turn to drugs. If we spent more energy on improving the environment and promoting healthy choices, fewer people would turn to drugs. These are all reasons I stand by my belief that ALL drugs should be made legal or at the very least, decriminalized.As for weed, yeah, seeing Trump and Jong-un would be rather entertaining. But the thing is, pot makes some people gooffy or even stupid so don't expect too much!
For some leaders, they may already be stupid.
The rehab centers are a lot of the time short term solutions. If people have access to drugs once they get out and even sometimes when they're still in rehab it's not enough to fix the problem. Education, "just say no to drugs" education didn't stop all the kids from getting into drugs. Reduce poverty? There's plenty, plenty of wealthy drug addicts.
Instead of legalizing drugs, make it a mandatory life in prison for drug dealers up to the death penalty(that'll reduce the prison population) if a drug related fatality can be linked to them. They're murderers. If not immediate as in some cases, eventually they murder people and destroy families. There are people with addictive personalities who can't do anything in moderation. Remove the drug dealers, remove the problem. Problem solved.That's what Trump has proposed but it's not that easy and many believe that will not work. This article talks about that:Now look at this solution: In 2001, Portugal decriminalized all drugs and their drug problems have dropped drastically. We've talked about this on AMT before. The positive results in Portugal are well established. Here's some info on that:I wouldn't be too quick to drop "easy" solutions offered by someone who doesn't understand the problem (or much of anything of importance, for that matter.)
We have a population of about 25 million illicit drug users. That's not pot, that's hard stuff.
Decriminalizing all drugs could get really bad before they got better. It took almost 3 generations before crack use went down but now Opioids are on a skyrocketing user rate and killing people even quicker.
Having those drugs that easy to get would be a major problem for this country.
I do think we need to offer more info on the matter and offer more rehabilitation on it rather than throw people in to prison.
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Yeah really, wtf are we talking about here? Humans are not slaves to instinct. Comparing ourselves to penguins and coyotes and even chimps makes no sense at all, lol. The ONLY problem humans have that leads to borders is greed. That special kind of greed that is truly exclusive to human beings.my2hands said:We are a little more advanced than penguins & gazelles
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Yeah really, wtf are we talking about here? Humans are not slaves to instinct. Comparing ourselves to penguins and coyotes and even chimps makes no sense at all, lol. The ONLY problem humans have that leads to borders is greed. That special kind of greed that is truly exclusive to human beings.my2hands said:We are a little more advanced than penguins & gazelles
But break down that greed to its roots. Where is that greed based? I contend that it is based on preservation. We covet and guard against others to ensure our tribe's way of life (all facets) is protected.
It's a primitive way to describe it, but it's accurate- there are no other reasons to maintain borders and limit access for other humans."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
we are obviously more advanced than penguins and gazelles, but for all our advancements, we are still a territorial species. why else do we put up fences around our properties, even if we are friends with our neighbours?PJ_Soul said:
Yeah really, wtf are we talking about here? Humans are not slaves to instinct. Comparing ourselves to penguins and coyotes and even chimps makes no sense at all, lol. The ONLY problem humans have that leads to borders is greed. That special kind of greed that is truly exclusive to human beings.my2hands said:We are a little more advanced than penguins & gazellesBy The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
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PJ_Soul said:
Yeah really, wtf are we talking about here? Humans are not slaves to instinct. Comparing ourselves to penguins and coyotes and even chimps makes no sense at all, lol. The ONLY problem humans have that leads to borders is greed. That special kind of greed that is truly exclusive to human beings.my2hands said:We are a little more advanced than penguins & gazelles
Soul...
I stumbled on this (I clicked a link on youtube after watching an Australian couple encounter a grizzly recently). It's a little graphic (sad and somewhat horrific), but it is super interesting and 'kind of' gets at what I was trying to express earlier about chimpanzees.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQn1-mLkIHw
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Here's the Australian couple's experience (they may have soiled themselves or they may not have):
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/its-huge-australian-couple-videotapes-close-encounter-with-grizzly-near-canmore/ar-AAzy3wG?ocid=spartanntp
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I know of almost no one who is against immigration. Hardly anyone would debate this.Bentleyspop said:
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Because at lot of us are paranoid, and just greedy cranky bastards. Not because we're slaves to territorial instincts. Plus, plenty of people do not do that kind of thing, proving my point. Just because we do something it doesn't mean it's because of natural instincts.HughFreakingDillon said:
we are obviously more advanced than penguins and gazelles, but for all our advancements, we are still a territorial species. why else do we put up fences around our properties, even if we are friends with our neighbours?PJ_Soul said:
Yeah really, wtf are we talking about here? Humans are not slaves to instinct. Comparing ourselves to penguins and coyotes and even chimps makes no sense at all, lol. The ONLY problem humans have that leads to borders is greed. That special kind of greed that is truly exclusive to human beings.my2hands said:We are a little more advanced than penguins & gazelles
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look, I'm not saying we're "slaves" to territorial instincts, I just think there's a lot of truth in that some of our instincts/behaviours of days gone by can linger. I think being territorial is one of them.PJ_Soul said:
Because at lot of us are paranoid, and just greedy cranky bastards. Not because we're slaves to territorial instincts. Plus, plenty of people do not do that kind of thing, proving my point. Just because we do something it doesn't mean it's because of natural instincts.HughFreakingDillon said:
we are obviously more advanced than penguins and gazelles, but for all our advancements, we are still a territorial species. why else do we put up fences around our properties, even if we are friends with our neighbours?PJ_Soul said:
Yeah really, wtf are we talking about here? Humans are not slaves to instinct. Comparing ourselves to penguins and coyotes and even chimps makes no sense at all, lol. The ONLY problem humans have that leads to borders is greed. That special kind of greed that is truly exclusive to human beings.my2hands said:We are a little more advanced than penguins & gazellesBy The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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